> Sigh. We had these discussions way too often here, and I've read every
> sentence in other posts of disappointed Webmasters. You've got so many
> facts wrong that I just reply to the last aberrant.

> >NO WRONG DOING OF THEIR OWN

> 1. Define "wrong". Refer to Google's guidelines because it's Google's
> search engine.

> 2. From many years of doing Webmaster support I do know that the
> canonical translation of your phrase is "not doing enough". So your
> next exercise is defining "right", same rules apply.

> Everybody following the guidelines and a decent business plan can get
> indexed by Google. It may be tougher than with Google's competition,
> but there must be a reason for that ... probably a slightly different
> algo? So just because you think you can drive a tricycle in the
> backyard that doesn't qualify you drive a truck on the highway.
> Oversimplified analogy, but there's truth in it. Work on every
> engine's ranking factors.

> Often I get new stuff indexed by Y/M/A first, but on the long haul
> working harder to make it into Google's index and eventually rank pays
> by much more traffic. Relevance is just one signal, work on
> popularity, authority, trust, and generating human traffic from other
> sources too.

> All the best
> Sebastian

> On Aug 3, 3:28 pm, Randy P. wrote:

> > On Aug 3, 7:17 am, Sebastian wrote:

> > > I disagree. Even preselecting threads would require knowledge and
> > > experience most college kids just don't have.

> > Who's talking about preselecting threads?  It doesn't take a genius to
> > delete BS like Adam mentioned, and KEEP and ADDRESS other emails.
> > Hell, simple filters can do most of that!  Certain phrases can be set
> > to be automatically deleted.

> > > I second Adam's  statement from my own experience,
> > > Googlers do care about site owners.

> > ????  If they CARED about site owners, they would:

> > NOT be deleting UNIQUE WHITEHAT webpages AND entire websites from
> > their index.....with absolutely NO EXPLANATION to the site owners.

> > Using something as asinine, nefariously manipulated, and harmful as
> > PR.

> > There would be no "supplemental index".

> > There would an EMAIL ADDRESS for contact like MSN, Y, Ask, et al have.

> > There would not be class-action and independent lawsuits against them
> > filed by victimized whitehat site owners.

> > I could go on and on.  When these aforementioned things start to
> > disappear, then I'll say they care about site owners!

> > > That's not a new thing, I got email support from the Googleplex many
> > > years ago, and their ongoing activities on our side of the fence prove
> > > that they indeed care. Check jobs at Google and you'll find open
> > > positions under "webmaster relations" like this one:http://www.google.com/support/jobs/bin/answer.py?answer=48264

> > Talk is cheap.  ACTION speaks.

> > > Talking with each and every Webmaster out there just doesn't scale.

> > Once again, I cite the OTHER search engines.  If YAHOO can do it, if
> > ASK can do it, if MSN can do it, SO CAN GOOGLE!

> > >As for your weird theory that Webmasters made Google, please rethink
> > > that.

> > Let's see....G is a SEARCH ENGINE.  SE's INDEX websites to MAKE THEM
> > BETTER at providing information to searchers.  SE's are supposed to
> > provide a service to users so they can find the information at
> > websites for which they seek.  NO WEBSITES = NO GOOGLE.  Ok, I've re-
> > thought it.  Same thing.  The "weird theory" is that G would exist
> > without websites!  They may exist, but NOT as a search engine!

> > > Searchers made Google popular.

> > The **MEDIA** made G popular.  They dominate the search market because
> > their name is a household word, simply because they are mentioned in
> > every TV newscast, TV shows, movies, etc.,.....all because of their
> > "name".  Their name has become a verb because of this.  It's genius
> > marketing because they had nothing to do with it.  They get billions
> > of free advertising on these media outlets simply because of their
> > name, which has snowballed.  The public has a short memory in these
> > outlets.  If they hear a name enough, all is forgotten about the
> > rest.  Also, the other SE's interfaces suck.  They are (either or
> > all): cluttered with ads, too slow, and don't have the advanced search
> > options G has.

> > >Google gave us more trafic, and esp.
> > > better targeted traffic, so it's more the other way round, Google made
> > > a whole lot of Webmasters (rich).

> > Sure, I totally agreee....IF YOU'RE INDEXED BY THEM!!   What about the
> > millions of site owners with ALL of their UNIQUE RELEVANT pages
> > indexed by the OTHER SE's, that are deleted in GOOGLE?  Ever think
> > about those deserving people??  Apparently not.  There are OTHER site
> > owners out there besides yourself that are in DEEP TROUBLE with G
> > through NO WRONG DOING OF THEIR OWN.  Only a fool would deny that
> > fact.  (I'm not yelling, just trying to place emphasis on phrases).
> > Randy