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Sam I Am  
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 More options Oct 10 2007, 1:39 pm
From: Sam I Am
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:39:19 -0700
Local: Wed, Oct 10 2007 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: Appropriate uses of nofollow tag -- popular pick

> > Yes, I was just thinking that on the way to work this morning. Kind of
> > blows years of theories out of the water where people have been
> > 'sculpting PageRank' by disallowing pages :) Ouch...

> Hmm.. yes it does.. kinda (apart from the fact that by disallowing
> dupes you end up with a greater chance your 'real' content is
> represented in the serps and hence more widely linked to). Methinks I
> need to write another plugin. This thread is a real eye opener.

Well yes, but I meant the pure PR sculpting side of things. I remember
back in 2002 reading about people doing it with robots.txt but I never
could be bothered :) But this aspect of things is certainly an eye
opener to me. I always just assumed those pages wouldn't be getting
PR. Essentially what this means schematically speaking is that PR is
assigned on the page the referral link is on, not once it hits the
target page. I can see it taking place in my head as I type...

On Oct 10, 11:39 am, dockarl wrote:

> > Yes, I was just thinking that on the way to work this morning. Kind of
> > blows years of theories out of the water where people have been
> > 'sculpting PageRank' by disallowing pages :) Ouch...

> Hmm.. yes it does.. kinda (apart from the fact that by disallowing
> dupes you end up with a greater chance your 'real' content is
> represented in the serps and hence more widely linked to). Methinks I
> need to write another plugin. This thread is a real eye opener.

> doc

> On Oct 10, 5:46 pm, Sam I Am wrote:

> > That's the look I was talking about indeed. Our search.cfm page has
> > this (I am actually beginning to think that by following Matt's advice
> > and disallowing the search page, it confused googlebot so much that
> > our site was penalized, but that aside) if you do a search for
> > site:www.travellerspoint.comsearch.cfm. You'll see what I meant
> > earlier about it being quite a specific query, since other pages on
> > the site that include that file extension somewhere in the body rank
> > for the same thing and it's not until you click on the 'see more
> > results' that you see all the remaining ones still in the index (there
> > aren't that many since I put through a request to have them removed
> > about 6 months ago, but still a few stragglers).

> > > Thinking about that, could the difference between your and my case be that Google possibly sees your site in a similar light as John Chow's?

> > I'd be quite insulted by that if it was the case and that's not
> > anything against John Chow because his blog does make for interesting
> > reading (I only found it BECAUSE of his penalty though, so how is that
> > for twisted :) ). But he does so many things that are in the grey
> > zones of Google's terms, whereas no one has been able to point me to
> > one area on our site yet and I know a few well known SEO's who have
> > looked. We've got another on the case right now and in the not too far
> > future, if none of these professionals can figure it out, we won't
> > really have much choice but to assume Googlebot has lost the plot and
> > therefore take it further. The way I see it, if it can happen to us it
> > can happen to 99.99% of the cases out there and that's a worrying
> > thought for anyone in the development field!! Anyway, I digress
> > (again)...

> > > One thing that I haven't seen mentioned throughout all of this though

> > is that is seems "nofollow", or at least something like it but with a
> > better name, has been needed for some time as there would seem to have
> > been a "hole" without it.

> > Yes, I was just thinking that on the way to work this morning. Kind of
> > blows years of theories out of the water where people have been
> > 'sculpting PageRank' by disallowing pages :) Ouch...

> > Your idea of linking to a disallowed 2nd page via nofollow is of
> > course simpler, but ONLY in the case of the page you are ultimately
> > trying to link to being on your site. For example, since this whole
> > mess started, one thing we've done is link to affiliate programs
> > through a disallowed page (which must be collecting tons of beautiful
> > green pr!) and as you don't control the final destination page, that's
> > the only way to do it if you want to ensure it is doing the same thing
> > across all the search engines. For your own site, your option would be
> > cleaner (if you aren't caring about Yahoo and MSN)... which on a side
> > note, I would. Only catering to one engine isn't the most viable
> > solution in the long run and Yahoo has been making clear improvements
> > across the board. There's lots of talk on webmaster forums about
> > switching, just like there was prior to everyone moving to Google.
> > With a better ad solution in place (man, they are REALLY dropping the
> > ball there) it could seriously start picking up momentum and one
> > benefit they have as a business is multiple income sources. One
> > downturn in ad expenditure or Google marketshare and it's share price
> > is going to plummet, not to mention all these 'free' products will
> > start drying up... but of course I say that as Google hits an all time
> > high in share price! :)

> > It's a wacky world, and only getting wackier....

> > On Oct 10, 7:16 am, dockarl wrote:

> > > Ya mate - they are just robotted out rather than nofollowed (typical
> > > wordpress behavior) although I may write a plugin to change that.

> > > The title and description are not included simply because google
> > > doesn't actually parse the page - they just see a link to it and
> > > assume that it must therefore exist, according to Matt's explanation
> > > in the Erig Enge interview.

> > > Cheers,

> > > doc

> > > On Oct 10, 1:32 pm, cass-hacks wrote:

> > > > > Hi Craig - I think this is what the 'pages that Google infers are
> > > > > there but can't actually check' pages look like:-

> > > > >http://www.google.com.au/search?q=site:www.utheguru.com&hl=en&safe=of...

> > > > Interesting!

> > > > So the indication, at least in this case, is that the <title> is
> > > > ignored, even though the page has one, and there is no description
> > > > snippet, which also likely wouldn't be displayed ever were there one?

> > > > How did they get in Google's index? Do you link to the various feeds
> > > > without a link condom?

> > > > Craig- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -


 
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