Can I do GSoC and another internship at the same time?

[Archimedes]

Hi,

I have a summer research program that I am doing this summer. Since
GSoC is done at home at ur own convenience, can I do it during the
same summer?
Whether I can handle it is not really my question (even though i know
it will be tough on me). My question is: Is it legal?

Also, I am an F1 student in the US. Will there be a problem with using
my CPT at two diff places?
Thank you.

- Archimedes

[Dirk Haun]

On Mar 25, 3:04 am, Archimedes <davidem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Whether I can handle it is not really my question (even though i know
> it will be tough on me). My question is: Is it legal?

It's "legal", I guess, but not recommended. See
http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#student_time

To quote: "you should expect your project to be your primary focus
this summer". The orgs will expect that from you as well. So you
openly say that in your application and give an estimate about how
much time you will realistically be able to spend on the project.

[Jimmy O'Regan]

On 25 March 2010 02:04, Archimedes <david...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a summer research program that I am doing this summer. Since
> GSoC is done at home at ur own convenience, can I do it during the
> same summer?
> Whether I can handle it is not really my question (even though i know
> it will be tough on me). My question is: Is it legal?
>

AFAIR, it's permitted within the rules, but strongly discouraged. It's
also something you should discuss with your mentoring organisation -
there have been students who have been able to both hold a job and
complete their GSoC projects, but they are the minority.

Really, the person to ask is yourself - can you honestly say you could
handle both? If not, you have to make a choice.

> Also, I am an F1 student in the US. Will there be a problem with using
> my CPT at two diff places?

Sorry, I have no idea.

>
> Thank you.
>
> - Archimedes
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[Leslie Hawthorn]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Jimmy O'Regan <jor...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 25 March 2010 02:04, Archimedes <david...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a summer research program that I am doing this summer. Since
> GSoC is done at home at ur own convenience, can I do it during the
> same summer?
> Whether I can handle it is not really my question (even though i know
> it will be tough on me). My question is: Is it legal?
>

AFAIR, it's permitted within the rules, but strongly discouraged. It's
also something you should discuss with your mentoring organisation -
there have been students who have been able to both hold a job and
complete their GSoC projects, but they are the minority.

Really, the person to ask is yourself - can you honestly say you could
handle both? If not, you have to make a choice.

> Also, I am an F1 student in the US. Will there be a problem with using
> my CPT at two diff places?

In addition to the great points made by Dirk and Jimmy, I have to add that I have no idea if it is legal to use your CPT for two different employers. Please check with your student affairs office to get an answer to that question, though I suspect that CPT means you can only have one employer.

Cheers,
LH
 

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[sourabh sharma]

Hey if you can manage lie them that you are doing only this project

Because it is legal

[Leslie Hawthorn]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM, sourabh sharma <bests...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey if you can manage lie them that you are doing only this project

Because it is legal

Pardon me? This advice is totally not OK. We are not interested in having participants lie to anyone about anything so they can participate in Google Summer of Code. The Open Source community functions on trust - you are trusted to behave well on mailing lists, you are trusted to only commit source code that you think functions correctly and that does not contain any malicious code, you are trusted to treat your fellow project members with respect. Making this suggestions marks you as not trustworthy, IMHO. Following this advice would have the same result.

Transparency and honesty people. They work.

HTH,
LH

[Shantanu Tushar Jha]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:23 PM, sourabh sharma <bests...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey if you can manage lie them that you are doing only this project
> Because it is legal
>

WTH? Please think and then type. If you're giving suggestions, why not
give good ones?

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[Dirk Haun]

On Mar 25, 6:53 pm, sourabh sharma <bestsour...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey if you can manage lie them that you are doing only this project
> Because it is legal

I can only hope that this comment was made tongue-in-cheek, i.e. not
to be taken seriously. I would assume that you will be dropped from
the program when found out to be lying. There's a lot of trust
involved in GSoC. Don't abuse that.

[Jimmy O'Regan]

On 25 March 2010 17:53, sourabh sharma <bests...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey if you can manage lie them that you are doing only this project
> Because it is legal
>

That is terrible advice and I would ask you to refrain from saying
such things in future. Thank you.

[sourabh sharma]

Hey I am not saying to not to work properly.

I am saying to get the work by any mean.

There is difference in both.

Can u get it?

[sourabh sharma]

You will not be found

I can assure you

condition is that you must be a very good coder and can do work in time limit

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[Leslie Hawthorn]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:12 AM, sourabh sharma <bests...@gmail.com> wrote:

You will not be found

I can assure you

condition is that you must be a very good coder and can do work in time limit

Wow. Do you think that potential mentors are not among the 7500+ subscribers to this list?

Congratulations, you have done a very good job destroying your personal credibility in a very short period of time.

I would not recommend you post to this list in the future unless you have something useful to say. If needed, you're going to be banned from this list.

LH

[sourabh sharma]

All right your choice

but I am doing this from past 2 years successfully

 

[Leslie Hawthorn]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, sourabh sharma <bests...@gmail.com> wrote:

All right your choice

but I am doing this from past 2 years successfully

Fascinating. Perhaps you'd like to email me off-list and tell me all about it.

Mentors, please take note and make sure to do as much due diligence as you can when evaluating students for Google Summer of Code. Apparently abusing your trust and Google's is more important to some than respecting the values of this program and the good work it does for the wider world.

LH

[sourabh sharma]

You are not getting Arch.'s quaery properly

I am also a student keeping that in mind again go through that.

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[Leslie Hawthorn]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, sourabh sharma <bests...@gmail.com> wrote:

You are not getting Arch.'s quaery properly

I am also a student keeping that in mind again go through that.

Banned.

Cheers,
LH

[Yaakov Nemoy]

Hello Archimedes,

2010/3/25 Archimedes <david...@gmail.com>:

> Hi,
>
> I have a summer research program that I am doing this summer. Since
> GSoC is done at home at ur own convenience, can I do it during the
> same summer?
> Whether I can handle it is not really my question (even though i know
> it will be tough on me). My question is: Is it legal?

It's possible, but as a mentor, i personally would never accept a
student doing two projects like this at once. It reflects poorly on a
mentor too when a student fails a project because he/she was too busy
'dancing at two parties'. Some mentors will also agree with me here.

There are reasonable exceptions of course. One student of mine was
hired by Red Hat midway through GSoC. Fortunately her manager was very
well acquainted with the program and made sure that she worked on that
project for her first month of employment. In the end, she passed. The
moral of the story is that in the end, she still only worked on her
GSoC project before taking up new duties in her job.

-Yaakov Nemoy

[mani]

Quoting from my university's CPT training material:
You are authorized to be employed only for the employer, location, and
time period specified on the new I-20 (See below for more info on what
this new I-20 is about).

Quoted from http://www.ice.gov/sevis/students/cpt.htm :
(B) SEVIS process. To grant authorization for a student to engage in
curricular practical training, a DSO at a SEVIS school will update the
student’s record in SEVIS as being authorized for curricular practical
training that is directly related to the student’s major area of
study. The DSO will indicate whether the training is >full-time or
part-time, the employer and location, and the employment start and end
date. The DSO will then print a copy of the employment page of the
SEVIS Form >I–20 indicating that curricular practical training has
been approved. The DSO must sign, date, and return the SEVIS Form I–20
to the student prior to the student’s commencement of employment.

My interpretation of above would be that, the DSO can authorize *an
employment* with specific start and end date and can authorize only
one CPT per semester.

As someone else stated, the best option would be to check with your
dept's Undergrad/Grad Advisor (the one who actually approves CPT
credits) and your university's International Student's Center (the
ones that would actually sanction your CPT I-20).

Standard disclaimers apply; IANAL

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[Rajib Biswas]

hi LH,
good job !
People of this kind should be banned from the list.
They are not serious and making fun of  GSoC.

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