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Google Employee Google employee  
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(9 users)  More options May 10 2006, 5:55 pm
From: Google Employee
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:55:44 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 5:55 pm
Subject: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
We've been closely following the reports of significant changes in
index coverage for some sites, and have been looking into many possible
causes. We are confident that participation in Sitemaps is not causing
this at all.
(http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/snuffle-snuffle/#comment-24878) Some
degree of change in index coverage is to be expected, as new sites
appear and older sites change.

There are a few things to consider about our overall crawl and indexing
pipeline. As part of some recent updates
(http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/bigdaddy/) we're taking a much closer
look at affiliate links, linkfarms, duplicate content, and other
factors as described in our webmaster quality guidelines
(http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35772).
Our new crawl caching proxy unifies our crawls
(http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/crawl-caching-proxy/) so you may be
seeing different crawling patterns.

If you have seen a change in your site's coverage in our index, please
post the details here, including site name and changes in coverage. We
do look into every report, though we may not have time to respond to
them all individually.


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MT  
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(2 users)  More options May 10 2006, 6:39 pm
From: MT
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:39:24 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 6:39 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
I changed the url and used a 301 redirect to the new url and all the
old domain pages indexed have disappeared from Google listings. The new
url has not been indexed at all.

I have submitted a sitemap and it has been crawled. After submitting
the sitemap is when the old domain content was removed.

nascarup.com
motorsporttoday.com


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jeffw  
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 More options May 10 2006, 6:57 pm
From: jeffw
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:57:54 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
nomisconnections.co.uk - was almost fully indexed, now down to home
page and 29 very old pages listed as Supplemental.

palmviewcyprus.com - was almost fully indexed now down to a handful of
pages plus some very old pages listed as Supplemental.

buyabroad.com - has about 400 pages indexed, got totally wiped out last
month, built up again to 160 but now falling every day (currently at 64
pages).

toptopiary.co.uk - despite constant work on the site, regular visits
from googlebot, can't seem to get pages indexed or exisiting indexed
pages updated.

I have more, but this will do to be going on with ;-)


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ViewPlus  
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 More options May 10 2006, 7:05 pm
From: ViewPlus
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:05:21 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 7:05 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!

Google Employee wrote:
> If you have seen a change in your site's coverage in our index, please
> post the details here, including site name and changes in coverage. We
> do look into every report, though we may not have time to respond to
> them all individually.

This month we have noticed a huge drop in our positions in Google only.
We went from being on page 1 & 2 of some of our phrases to page 15 or
worse. Sitemaps still reports the higher positions that we saw last
moth. Our url is http://www.viewplus.com/

We had some home page content updates last month the most notable being
a new product release and a Tutorial Spotlight which pulled a random
recently added Tutorial and hightlighted it on the home page. Could the
crawler mistakenly view this as some sort of duplicate content? Other
than that I have no idea as to why our google positions could have
dropped so much for all of our keywords.

Regards,
ViewPlus


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kdfrawg  
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(3 users)  More options May 10 2006, 7:43 pm
From: kdfrawg
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:43:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
I am indeed having problems. A lot of people are having problems. I did
some research today, using a search engine that still returns actual
Web content and discovered that this has been going on for MONTHS! If
Google is listening, Google is deaf. In point of fact, Google is
putting people out of business.

Has anything been said during all that time? Not a word. Google has
gone from an honest and interesting company to a company interested in
one thing: the reports on its own stock. Google is already where the
government is trying to take the internet. I, for one, do not wish to
go there.

I'm not sure that there is time for a 12-step program for Google. If
you're going to stay number one in the search business, if you are even
going to survive, you have time for about two steps:

1. Admit that you have a problem.
2. Fix the mess that you have made.


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mred  
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 More options May 10 2006, 7:45 pm
From: mred
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:45:24 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 7:45 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
Several of my sites have been reduced to home page only in search
results.  One to look at is http://www.perfect-vacations.com/  This
site has been around for about 5 years and has always been listed. Is
there some kind of filter or penalty that has been applied?


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Lana  
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 More options May 10 2006, 7:51 pm
From: Lana
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:51:50 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 7:51 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
Thank you for responding!

http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/ has been fully indexed by Google
since it was created and first submitted (in January 1995) and
additional pages were indexed almost immediately. About a month ago it
was de-indexed by Google and down to five pages (from around 60). I
then created and submitted an .xml sitemap and this seemed to help. In
a day or two I was back to 34 pages, then some 15+ old, non-existent
pages showed up as supplemental, but a day or two later it went down
again to a total of 15, 14 and presently at 11 pages.

I have never used any 'black hat' techniques, I have designed my site
for people not for search engines (because, among other things, I still
don't know how would I design them for SEs) each page is a valid XHTML
strict/CSS and what confuses me most is that the pages that are kept by
Google, apart from the index page, seem to be selected completely
randomly and not by their content. I mean, if I can have only 12 out of
60 pages listed, I would probably replace 5 or 6 that Google lists by
those that have more and better content. The rating (importance) I
assigned to each page in my sitemap doesn't seem to have any effect
either, since many of the pages I consider important have been
de-indexed and some of those I rated as far less important are kept.


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gonzo  
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(7 users)  More options May 10 2006, 8:31 pm
From: gonzo
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:31:53 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 8:31 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
Well, I for one like Spam. Being a native of Minnesota, and seeing that
it is made here, I have been eating Spam my whole life. I just do not
see what Spam has to do with websites. Sometimes I eat Spam for
breakfast. The GI's like Spam. Why do the computer people Hate Spam so
much? There are starving kids all over the world that would love to
have some Spam. I just don't know
anymore????????????????????????????????

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EdCid  
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 More options May 10 2006, 8:35 pm
From: EdCid
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:35:14 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 8:35 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
My submitted site has not been indexed since early January 2006, as far
as I can tell all pages adhere to Google's webmaster guidelines. I've
recently added a google sitemap, have used the "site reinclusion"
option and still no luck, the cached version is this January 2006
version which is no longer current.

What should I do?

Cheers,
Ed


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Google Employee Google employee  
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(2 users)  More options May 10 2006, 8:55 pm
From: Google Employee
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:55:14 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 8:55 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
MT: It looks like nascarup.com is still indexed.  You did a 301
redirect from it to motorsporttoday.com, correct?

EdCid, kdfrawg:  Could you please post the URL of your site(s)?

jeffw, ViewPlus, mred, Lana: Thanks for taking the time to post the
details!  I've passed them along to some of our engineers who are
looking into different possibilities in more detail.

gonzo: While we don't really care for spam at all, I suppose that
leaves more of it for people who do like it. :)


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jonny ReDHeD UK  
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 More options May 10 2006, 9:04 pm
From: jonny ReDHeD UK
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:04:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
We too have been using sitemaps ok, verified etc,  until recently.
Our sitemap: http://www.aromatherapy-stress-relief.com/sitemap.xml

website:  Aroma Stress Buster http://www.aromatherapy-stress-relief.com

We had about all our 40 odd pages indexed but just recently they
dropped to 10 and then the day after down to one, the home page,  where
its been for a few weeks now much the same as many others that have
posted here.  Tried a re-inclusion request but still nothing...  its
all very worring for a novice webmaster like myself,  most of our pages
are vaild and we have read the webmaster guidelines and think we
have'nt fallen foul of anything.  please, anyone point out if we have?

Google Employee please take a look at our site and sitemap.

Jonny C
aromatherapy-stress-relief.com


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go-fix-it  
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 More options May 10 2006, 9:15 pm
From: go-fix-it
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:15:50 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 9:15 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
hi Google Employee and fellow sitemaper's,

I've noticed some changes with my site's indexing since Oct/2005....
new cache/old cache/indexed/not indexed/strange pr's/...and so on.
My site http://www.spo98.net was easy to find in google for the term "
Iron on Letters " (not iron letters), even back when google was a
footnote on search....(LOL, just kidding G-bot), boy times have
changed.  Anyway, it did show up again in Google search results for the
said term again few days ago.... but now it is gone ? again. This
www.spot98.net is NOT a spam site.

So i tried the site:thingee..... when i key in site:www.spot98.net, =
about 350 pages (alot of old cached suppl. plages)... when i key in
www.spot98.net/ (w/slash) = 19 pages.
Go ahead and have a look. ...... i'm totally lost folks, and afraid to
submit a sitemap during this wacky phase.

How can i help fix this ?  .... sorry if this old news... Eh! ....
Help !

thanks, regards.


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netgear  
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 More options May 10 2006, 9:18 pm
From: netgear
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:18:51 -0000
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 9:18 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
 > If you have seen a change in your site's coverage in our index,
please

> post the details here, including site name and changes in coverage. We
> do look into every report, though we may not have time to respond to
> them all individually.

www.driverseducation.ws
Was PR6 and well indexed.  Was delisted a week or two ago.  I've
submitted a reinclusion request a few days ago.  Every once in a while,
two pages will show up again, but as supplemental results.

www.icfdirect.com
One page listed, not the home page.  Site has been up for a year or so.
 Non affiliate related.


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kdfrawg  
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(4 users)  More options May 10 2006, 9:26 pm
From: kdfrawg
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:26:07 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 9:26 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
Sure. The site in question is www.theinfidels.org .

I would give you some search terms but you'd have to go to MSN or Yahoo
to find it that way.

;o)


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jeffw  
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(3 users)  More options May 10 2006, 9:37 pm
From: jeffw
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:37:18 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 9:37 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
Meow :-))

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djmp  
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 More options May 10 2006, 9:40 pm
From: djmp
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:40:24 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
"If you have seen a change in your site's coverage in our index, please

post the details here, including site name and changes in coverage. We
do look into every report, though we may not have time to respond to
them all individually."

Here is my dilemma: I have received a considerable drop in the amount
of indexed pages to a mere 366 pages according to
site:http://www.mediacavern.com/ or 1470 pages according to
site:http://www.mediacavern.com. We have over 8000 urls in our sitemap
and the majority of the urls were indexed prior to this problem.

I respectfully ask that you (google employee), take a look at our site
(www.mediacavern.com) and sitemap and let me know what is the cause of
the deindexing.


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kdfrawg  
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(5 users)  More options May 10 2006, 9:44 pm
From: kdfrawg
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:44:05 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 9:44 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
I apologize. I just couldn't help myself.

It is just so disappointing. I was an early adopter of Google. I liked
everything about them. The company just seems to be slowly drifting in
the direction of commodity manufacturers and insurance companies.
Google is not what they promised to be.

Maybe they can fix it.

I actually hope so.


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MT  
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 More options May 10 2006, 10:13 pm
From: MT
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:13:36 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 10:13 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
GE,

Yes, I did a permanent 301 redirect from nascarup.com to
motorsporttoday.com.

I would have to argue that the nascarup.com is still indexed. For the
last two days I have done a search
for www.nascarup.com and get this result. "Sorry, no information is
available for the URL www.nascarup.com", Same result for
motorsporttoday.com.

I have also not received any Google search referals to my site for
appx. (3) weeks.
 My site was listed number (1) for the search term "nascar qualifying"
and had been for at least two years. Now it does not exist in the top
100 and I am doubtful it is still listed at all. Being one of only
three sites online that offer live qualifying updates you would think
our listing should remain.  If you could, explain to me why this sudden
drop off the Google map. I would be willing to change my site if I knew
there was something wrong with it, but you can't fix something if you
don't know what the problem is. Seemed to be fine for two years!


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LyricVault_com  
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 More options May 10 2006, 10:43 pm
From: LyricVault_com
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:43:46 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
my site http://www.lyricvault.com had over 10,500 pages indexed on
Google.  I was getting top ten search results for appropriate keywords.
 Some of the pages were ranking as high as 3 (via Google toolbar).  I
made no changes to the site since that time and I have lost all indexed
pages except about 7 pages.

The only change I made were my sitemaps I moved from being individual
sitemaps of about 200 sitemaps to a handful of sitemap index pages with
hundreds of sitemaps within the sitemap index pages.

I use Google Analytics, Google AdSense, Google AdWords, and Google
Sitemaps.  There were no changes to any of the above accounts other
than the one Google Sitemap change listed above.

I appreciate any assistance as this is quite frustrating.

P.S.  One non-site related thing is that I submitted an XML file to
allthelyrics.com to integrate into their site which resulted in
thousands of visitors per day.  Around the same time I started losing
indexed pages.  Those however are only deep links into LyricVault.com
and I am in no way associated with the allthelyrics.com site.

Sincerely,

Brent D. Payne
CEO/Founder
Lyric Vault
http://www.lyricvault.com


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wally@booksofthebible.com  
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(2 users)  More options May 10 2006, 11:24 pm
From: "[email address]"
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:24:27 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 11:24 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
Greetings  from Wisconsin!

 Could  you please check out:

 www.booksofthebible.com

 We have serious canonical issues for our site and most of our pages
have gone supplemental.

We have pages listed as:

64.235.37.49
booksofthebible.com
https://www.booksofthebible.com
www.booksofthebible.com

I have changed hosts so 64.235.37.49 is no longer valid and the pages
no longer exist at this address.

 We have set up 301 redirects from non-www to www. We have removed
internal links (ie../p2839.html ).

 Could you please help?  We have cleaned up our site as best we could
and removed any bad links we could find. So far the replies we have
received from Google are "we're unable to personally respond to your
email. We're always working to provide comprehensive, up-to-date online
assistance and encourage you to consult our Webmaster Help Center at
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters."

Thank you in advance,

Wally @ Books of the Bible


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phish  
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(1 user)  More options May 10 2006, 11:39 pm
From: phish
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:39:43 -0700
Local: Wed, May 10 2006 11:39 pm
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
Yes, I have in fact noticed a severe drop in indexing new pages,
supplementals etc..
Seems to have happened in December 05 shortly after my entire site was
copied. ( the idiot left my tracking code in his pages ) so I do have
proof. Anyways shortly after, my rankings dropped, getting new pages
indexed is like pulling teeth. I decided to sign up for sitemaps..no
help there. Caches are way out of date, even though content changes,
and pages are crawled ( the few that are ) the content never gets
updated anyways, it just shows old descriptions etc...It's a clean
site, no gimmicks, ranked very well for four years, down to about 10
uniques a day. And btw, guess who now ranks where I once did? Yeah the
same goofball that copied my entire site text, images, templates, and
all. =)   I have tried contacting G thru various methods ( since I know
I have a legit beef, but just keep getting canned respones ) Maybe you
can help..

site is http://www.superior-coral.com

- phish


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Randy Charles Morin  
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(1 user)  More options May 11 2006, 12:26 am
From: Randy Charles Morin
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 04:26:57 -0000
Local: Thurs, May 11 2006 12:26 am
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
Everybody,
You can track your Google indexation via ehlist.
http://ehlist.ca/

BTW, Mr Google employee (or Matt), the problem seems to be hitting
sites that I don't think fall into the categories you describe.
http://ehlist.ca/show/1957
In fact, this seems to be across the board. Every site I've checked
seems to be getting slowly de-indexed.
FYI,

Randy Charles Morin
http://www.kbcafe.com/adwords/


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Lana  
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(1 user)  More options May 11 2006, 12:28 am
From: Lana
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:28:37 -0700
Local: Thurs, May 11 2006 12:28 am
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
Thank you, Google man, this gives me some hope!

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bkpix  
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 More options May 11 2006, 12:56 am
From: bkpix
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 04:56:54 -0000
Local: Thurs, May 11 2006 12:56 am
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
Site is www.theRealOregon.com.

Created in March, initially had about 40 pages indexed, then suddenly
began to disappear. Now has only the main page indexed. All unique
content, no junk. I have a Google sitemap that functions fine, use G
Analytics, also use Adwords and Adsense.

Sure hope there's a way to get back into your index.

Thanks


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LaserEyes  
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(1 user)  More options May 11 2006, 2:28 am
From: LaserEyes
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:28:27 -0700
Local: Thurs, May 11 2006 2:28 am
Subject: Re: Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening!
That Eh List is a nice resource, but not accurate either. It showed
that Google saw 0 BackLinks, but clicking on the link Eh List provided
showed Google sees 82 BackLinks. Of course Yahoo! seeks 13,200
BackLinks. That is a Yahoo! to Google BackLink ratio of 161 to 1.
Website is http://www.USAEyes.org. We are a patient advocacy that
certifies Lasik surgeons.

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