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jeffw  
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(2 users)  More options Apr 17 2006, 12:46 pm
From: jeffw
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:46:04 -0700
Local: Mon, Apr 17 2006 12:46 pm
Subject: Re: Post here if you have lost index pages

> Maybe one of us should do a press release,
> that would get them on the ball again.

That is an excellent idea. Maybe even emailing this thread to some news
agencies might awake an interested IT journo.

> It is not just the sitemap beta that is a problem...

I concur with your comments on this. At last I am not the only one who
thinks it is Google that is broken, not Sitemaps :-))

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Phil Payne  
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 More options Apr 17 2006, 12:47 pm
From: Phil Payne
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:47:53 -0700
Local: Mon, Apr 17 2006 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: Post here if you have lost index pages

> Maybe one of us should do a press release, that would get them on the ball again.

I understand Vulture Central (a.k.a. The Register) is interested.

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 More options Apr 17 2006, 1:17 pm
From: bklawr
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:17:23 -0700
Local: Mon, Apr 17 2006 1:17 pm
Subject: Re: Post here if you have lost index pages
I'm all for getting some press on this.  At least that way Google will
be forced to make SOME kind of informational statement explaining all
this.   Their ostrich-head-in-the-sand approach to business is not
sitting well with me at the moment.

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(1 user)  More options Apr 17 2006, 1:21 pm
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:21:31 EDT
Local: Mon, Apr 17 2006 1:21 pm
Subject: Re: Post here if you have lost index pages

Lost pages

I noticed a huge drop in my pages.  I had 900 pages indexed, then  google
showed 10,500 (I only had about 1200 total) now down to 600.  I have  added about
1000 pages over the last two weeks and my indexed pages  dropped.  I just
can't figure out what is going on.  On top of it I  have roughly 13,000 incoming
links of which google only shows 70.

I am just dazed and confused at this point.

Jason Bertrand
_http://emortgageloanstore.com_ (http://emortgageloanstore.com)
_http://jpbfin.com_ (http://jpbfin.com)
_http://businessloansandleasing.com_ (http://businessloansandleasing.com)


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jeffw  
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(2 users)  More options Apr 17 2006, 3:30 pm
From: jeffw
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:30:21 -0700
Local: Mon, Apr 17 2006 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: Post here if you have lost index pages

Yet more examples of perfectly good, informative and useful web pages
with good ranking which are being penalised by Google at its whim or by
its irresponsibility.

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(1 user)  More options Apr 17 2006, 3:41 pm
From: softplus
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:41:59 -0000
Local: Mon, Apr 17 2006 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: Post here if you have lost index pages
Suggestion: Why don't one of you (whoever has been following this issue
the most) start a thread on searchenginewatch (ie
http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/forumdisplay.php?f=34 )? Point to
this thread, point to the countless other threads in this official
Google group, ask for advice, feedback, etc. Be ready to list several
(as many as possible) 100% clean sites where this has happened, with as
much evidence as possible.

This thread by itself is worth nothing to the press - there are no
really big names here (ok, I don't know them all, ha ha, excuse me if I
missed you :-)), there is no indepth-analysis of the domains that were
hit. It would look to the press like a collection of weekend-webmasters
who are complaining that "nobody explained the rules to them" (no
matter that there are no fix rules anyway, lol). If the likes of Danny
Sullivan were to post a confirmation (or whatever), then it's something
completely different.

I don't see any more "Google hurt my site" postings on the other forums
than are usually found there all the time anyway. But I know I don't
frequent all the right places, so perhaps I'm missing something. :-).
My test sites have been more or less stable for the last month or so;
so have some of the trackers for other peoples sites that I
accidentally left running.

Go ahead, post it! Let's see what the pros say, we'll either learn
something new or open their eyes :-))

John


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Doug  
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(1 user)  More options Apr 17 2006, 3:43 pm
From: Doug
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:43:02 -0700
Local: Mon, Apr 17 2006 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: Post here if you have lost index pages
Lost 6300 of 7000 stable ones over the weekend/Friday. They converted
to supplementals. 100% white hat site. 9 year old site.

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 More options Apr 17 2006, 3:43 pm
From: softplus
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:43:34 -0000
Local: Mon, Apr 17 2006 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: Post here if you have lost index pages
Well duh, please excuse me, someone has already posted there:
http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=11112

:-)))


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 More options Apr 17 2006, 4:03 pm
From: jeffw
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:03:29 -0700
Local: Mon, Apr 17 2006 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: Post here if you have lost index pages

> This thread by itself is worth nothing to the press

I think you underestimate the value placed on weight of public opinion
to the modern day press.

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(1 user)  More options Apr 17 2006, 4:08 pm
From: jeffw
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:08:28 -0700
Local: Mon, Apr 17 2006 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: Post here if you have lost index pages

> Lost 6300 of 7000 stable ones over the weekend/Friday.
> They converted to supplementals.
> 100% white hat site. 9 year old site.

That's appaling!

If this is a screw up, at least we can hope Google can fix is. If it is
deliberate, Google deserves everything it gets. I'm sure they'll find a
welcome home in China when no one else wants them.


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 More options Apr 17 2006, 7:44 pm
From: Sparcoracing.com
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:44:21 -0700
Local: Mon, Apr 17 2006 7:44 pm
Subject: Re: Post here if you have lost index pages
I made a post on the SEW which is referenced above

Maybe it should go into a better viewed forum?


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(1 user)  More options Apr 18 2006, 12:15 am
From: madcat
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:15:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Post here if you have lost index pages

My website is small, about 300 - 350 pages... It's a template and as
I'm no SEO I can't change my dynamic urls so I've been working on
getting internal links to my pages so Google can find me (I made a
sitemap xml file but I have no way to upload it).  I had managed to get
about 114 of my pages indexed a few weeks ago then they all disappeared
but 20 of them.  I'd just like to know if this is still part of an
update or whether I should be working on something else?  At least if
anyone notices that their pages come back it might give me a glimmer of
hope.


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(1 user)  More options Apr 18 2006, 6:03 am
From: stella
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 03:03:31 -0700
Local: Tues, Apr 18 2006 6:03 am
Subject: Re: Post here if you have lost index pages
Surely this is a depth issue?

Can anyone who has lost pages confirm/refute that it is not random
pages that are being dropped, but pages beyond a certain depth (clicks
from the homepage)?

I would guess that what a lot of people are seeing are Pages that are
at depth 2 being dropped.  I.e. pages that are two or more clicks away
from the Home page.

If, as I suspect, this is the case.  Then this is either a deliberate,
permanent, and woefully misguided move by Google that will innevitably
screw up the Web for years to come...Or, it is a temporary glitch, that
will gradually recover as the spiders do their slooooooowwww laborious
work.

Unfortunately, the self-styled "mega-brains" at Google are impossible
to predict.  The chances that this is a stupid mistake by design is
just as likely as it being a stupid mistake by mistake.


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