Important Question

[Jabran]

Hi Team,

Can any of you please describe briefly the Major and Minor Arterial Roads?

I have noticed a huge size area uselessly drawn with such feature where i think these don't really supposed to be but only local roads.

Thanks.

Regards,
جabran
www.dyzynz.net

[nhk]

This issue was brought up earlier but it died due to lack of
consensus:

A- Local Road is withing a neighbourhood, locality or village.

B- The moment it leaves the neighbourhood, locality or village, it
becomes a `Minor Arterial'.

C- If it connects more than one neighborhoods, localities or
villages, it becomes `Major arterial'.

D- If it connects Towns, it becomes a `Secondary Road'. (towns have
many neigbourhoods or localities)

E- If it connects cities, it becomes a `Primary Highway'. (cities have
many towns with neighborhoods or localities)

F- `Primary Highway' further gets `Specialized Ratings' dealing with
`Access Criterion'.

G- The Final Assessment rests with the Local User.

Condition of the Road & Traffic are transitory, temporary, seasonal or
cyclic phenomenons. The only permanent criterion are the `Population
based human mass' defined in terms of neighborhood, locality, village,
town & city and the `Linkage Significance'. `Linkage Significance' can
include factors such as related to tourism, heritage, historical or un-
common or unusual geographical locations i.e. highest, lowest,
mountainous, desert, snow etc.

In short, a Map should be able to reflect & tell a story to its User
by just the look of it. He should require minimum deciphering.

The coulor of `Major Arterial' and `Secondary Road' are too close to
easily differentiate. Following suggestion is forwarded:

A- Local Road - White.

B- Minor Arterial - Yellow

C- Major Arterial - Brown

D- Secondary Road - Brown with a thin black line running in the
middle.

F- Primary Highway - Brown with thin black lines running on both its
sides.

regards

[Jabran]

Hi,

Thanks for your explanation Nazar. But in fact area I am looking at,
the surface, speed etc attributes don't telly with the land reality.
Since the direction feature is also available at Google Maps (Not yet
for Pakistan), it follows the road attributes to give resulted
directions (distance, travel time) keeing the fatest route available.
Sadly this current data wouldn't be an ideal for it and more likely to
misguide a user. That's one of my concern. Hence, I would again
request any team member to describe them please. I don't wanna start
any discussion if they agree with the data entered.

Cheers

Regards,
جabran
www.dyzynz.net


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[MapMaker Guide]

Hi Jabran,
Could you please post the links of roads where you think the
Priorities are incorrect. This would help us reply with reference to
your context.

Regards,
Map Maker Guide

On Aug 28, 10:59 am, Jabran <jabranrafi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for your explanation Nazar. But in fact area I am looking at,  
> the surface, speed etc attributes don't telly with the land reality.  
> Since the direction feature is also available at Google Maps (Not yet  
> for Pakistan), it follows the road attributes to give resulted  
> directions (distance, travel time) keeing the fatest route available.  
> Sadly this current data wouldn't be an ideal for it and more likely to  
> misguide a user. That's one of my concern. Hence, I would again  
> request any team member to describe them please. I don't wanna start  
> any discussion if they agree with the data entered.
>
> Cheers
>
> Regards,
> جabranwww.dyzynz.net
>
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>

[Jabran]

Sure. As soon as I get on a computer, I will.

Cheers

Regards,
جabran

www.dyzynz.net


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On 28 Aug 2009, at 07:22, MapMaker Guide <mapmak...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Jabran]

http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&gw=10&ll=32.935703,70.980692&spn=0.012084,0.023861&t=h&z=16

http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&gw=10&ll=32.932335,70.880978&spn=0.012085,0.023861&t=h&z=16

http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&ll=33.70459,72.257316&spn=0.005989,0.01193&z=17&t=h

http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&ll=34.091052,72.269182&spn=0.047695,0.095444&z=14&t=h

http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&ll=24.998982,67.343413&spn=0.006525,0.01193&z=17&t=h

http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&ll=25.0057,67.314992&spn=0.013049,0.023861&z=16&t=h

Lots of other examples around these last links.

Cheers

Regards,
جabran
www.dyzynz.net

2009/8/28 Jabran <jabran...@gmail.com>

[Jabran]

Adding this http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&fll=32.91209,70.939708&fr=0.000721,0.000858&mpp=2.005219&gw=39&ll=32.914252,70.944214&spn=0.012087,0.023861&t=h&z=16&fid=4118417464764545679:15766098939308582641&iwloc=0_0

Not challenging the contributor's local knowledge but this most seems like stream section. But It would have been great if we can wait for such areas where imagery is not ideally clear as drawing road at such place results in a lot of rework of deletion and redrawing as we are already doing for Highways and Motorways. Thanks

[Jabran]

Another example.

http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&fll=32.333083,70.744191&fr=0.000181,0.000215&mpp=0.504579&gw=39&ll=32.332875,70.742748&spn=0.003041,0.005965&t=h&z=18&fid=4118483630464614251:15223776263559416495&iwloc=0_0

[MapMaker Guide]

Hi,
Thanks for posting the links Jabran. I do agree that all of the
roads in the links can be marked as Local roads. NHK, I am not sure
that I completely agree with your definitions. You can refer the
detailed definitions at the help page: http://maps.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=156967
. However, to elaborating a bit here with examples:

- Local roads are not purely those that are falling within a
"neighborhood, locality or village". Local roads can also be those
which support low volumes of traffic outside of the city.
ex:
http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&fll=32.272656,74.191275&fr=0.001451,0.001717&mpp=4.039448&gw=12&ll=32.272656,74.194536&spn=0.027287,0.040855&t=h&z=15

- Minor and Major arterial roads are usually the high capacity roads
within cities. These roads are mostly within large cities. But, when
the same road continues outside the city acting as the entry or exit
point of the city, it can be continued as an arterial road.
ex: Minor:-
http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&fll=31.471205,74.308605&fr=0.002928,0.003433&mpp=8.149933&gw=12&ll=31.471914,74.308498&spn=0.003441,0.005107&t=h&z=18
Major:-
http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&fll=31.458686,74.330449&fr=0.001464,0.001717&mpp=4.074911&gw=39&ll=31.463335,74.32723&spn=0.027527,0.040855&t=h&z=15&iwloc=0_0&fid=4114327146371248711:7877575335784702063

- Secondary roads are important roads within a region. They connect
the important cities of a district or state.
ex:
http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&fll=31.4209,74.358387&fr=0.005861,0.006866&mpp=16.311697&gw=39&ll=31.437305,74.363708&spn=0.05507,0.081711&t=h&z=14&iwloc=0_0&fid=4114327466079644153:16784899649724353465

- Primary Highways act as the backbone of the country's road network
connecting all the important states and provinces.
ex:
http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&fll=31.333405,74.11274&fr=0.005865,0.006866&mpp=16.322588&gw=39&ll=31.348799,74.128017&spn=0.110244,0.163422&t=h&z=13&iwloc=0_0&fid=4114133310073912977:530734242125896505

However Jabran, with respect to the last link that you have posted, I
think that it ought to be connected to the Indus highway at
32.320232,70.734218. Also, it might rightly be a secondary road if it
is actually connecting the major cities going westwards. But, as nhk
has rightly pointed out, " the final assessment rests with the local
user".

Please feel free to let me know if you need any further clarification.

Regards,
Map Maker Guide.

On Aug 29, 11:30 pm, Jabran <jabranrafi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Another example.http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&fll=32.333083,70.744191&fr=0.000...
>
> Regards,
> جabranwww.dyzynz.net
>
> 2009/8/28 Jabran <jabranrafi...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> > Adding this
> >http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&fll=32.91209,70.939708&fr=0.0007...

> > Not challenging the contributor's local knowledge but this most seems like
> > stream section. But It would have been great if we can wait for such areas
> > where imagery is not ideally clear as drawing road at such place results in
> > a lot of rework of deletion and redrawing as we are already doing for
> > Highways and Motorways. Thanks
>

> > <http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&fll=32.91209,70.939708&fr=0.0007...>
> > Regards,
> > جabran
> >www.dyzynz.net
>
> > 2009/8/28 Jabran <jabranrafi...@gmail.com>
>
> >>http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&gw=10&ll=32.935703,70.980692&spn...
> >>http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&gw=10&ll=32.932335,70.880978&spn...
>
> >>http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&ll=33.70459,72.257316&spn=0.0059...
>
> >>http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&ll=34.091052,72.269182&spn=0.047...
>
> >>http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&ll=24.998982,67.343413&spn=0.006...
>
> >>http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&ll=25.0057,67.314992&spn=0.01304...

>
> >> Lots of other examples around these last links.
>
> >> Cheers
>
> >> Regards,
> >> جabran
> >>www.dyzynz.net
>

> >> 2009/8/28 Jabran <jabranrafi...@gmail.com>

>
> >> Sure. As soon as I get on a computer, I will.
>
> >>> Cheers
>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> جabran
> >>>www.dyzynz.net
>
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> >>> On 28 Aug 2009, at 07:22, MapMaker Guide <mapmakergu...@gmail.com>

[Jabran]

Thanks for reply. About the road at 32.320232,70.734218, I should have mentioned that it's in fact a water navigation and not a road. I think user have drawn in low resolution imagery by just considering it a road. But as you stated, priority is right if there is a road.

  
Thanks

Regards,

جabran

www.dyzynz.net

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