Please help me to understand what I am looking at....

[Gorio]

I "found" a road and clicked on "Edit entire road section" in order to
edit the road. The road highlighted in blue however the "A" and "B"
points were in the middle of the blue highlighting, not at the ends
where I expected them to be. How did that happen? Below is a link to
the road I am talking about. Both the Tadeco road and the unamed one
that intersects it. I didn't draw the roads so i don't know what
happened.

http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&ll=7.428177,125.646172&spn=0.122218,0.162735&z=13

Thanks for your help.

[Jabran]

Hi, It is only a wrongly extended road. You can delete and redraw it. Cheers

Regards,
جabran
www.dyzynz.net

2009/8/1 Gorio <gdem...@hotmail.com>

[Gorio]

Hi Jabran,

Could you elaborate....what do mean by wrongly extended? To help
others avoid this in the future could you tell me how it was created?
Is there any way to fix it without redrawing the entire road?

thanks for your help.

On Aug 2, 12:06 am, Jabran <jabranrafi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, It is only a wrongly extended road. You can delete and redraw it. Cheers
> Regards,
> جabranwww.dyzynz.net
>

> 2009/8/1 Gorio <gdemb...@hotmail.com>

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[Jabran]

Hi,

When part of a road is drawn and balloon appearing asks for to extend any road(s) available nearby. There are few things to notice in that:

1 - If one or more than one of the mentioned road(s) is already checked then clicking on SAVE will extend those all roads to create this new section of road. So in future if any part of this road changes then whole extended parts will update their attributes. Since we still have bugs to be fixed by team in updating "road section" and "Entire Road" so it cannot be 100% when updating in either way.

2 - If these all already checked boxes are cleared and we choose to go for "Create New Road" then a new create surely will be created it will copy all the attributes of those roads whom check boxes are cleared. So perhaps if new road is different to those then it needs to update the attributes to correct values manually.

3 - If none of the mentioned road(s) is checked then selecting any of them will not autometically copy the attributes. They will just come as a local road defaults.

4 - If  "Create New Road" is selected by default then it will create a New road section independent of other nearby road attributes.

5 - If none of the mentioned road(s) is checked and only a yellow border appears around one of the check boxes then that road's attributed maybe copied to the new created one.

To my view, road mentioned in your link was extended improperly so it has some extensions from surrounding roads. Sadly, there is no other way than recreating the road to fix such error. Or you can wait till Monday and one of team member might have a better idea or solution. 

Cheers

Regards,

جabran
www.dyzynz.net

[Gorio]

Jabran,

What you have described above is the options available when creating
and extending a road. I know how those options work and I have used
those options before and never come across a situation where the "A"
and "B" are in the middle of an "Entire Road section".

What you still have not described is what you mean by "Improperly" or
"wrongly" extended. What makes it "improper"? How was the "improper"
road created? Surely it would not have been created by using any of
the options 1 to 5 listed above as I've used them and they have all
worked correctly for me before. I know of the bug you mentioned in #1
above and it does not put the A and B in the middle of the road, it
only has to do with updating/editing the road feature.

Thanks,
Gorio

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[Jabran]

Hi, When I actually explained these all various steps, I meant to say that this road is actually one of these steps' conclusion used not in proper way.

Could be two things: Either creator didn't see if there were more than one road checked in extension balloon or checked more than one road for extension themselves manually.

Second thing could be most obvious. It's when if its been tried to fill the gap between two pieces of road and in extension balloon both side roads checked as default, it extended the both side roads. That's my best idea about it.

Map Maker Guide, perhaps you want to give a second opinion?

P.S. I have seen many times such roads while working in "Gujranwala, Pakistan" and even worse than that but I just replaced them with correct ones. Sorry if I couldn't explain it still very well.

Cheers

Regards,
جabran
www.dyzynz.net

2009/8/3 Gorio <gdem...@hotmail.com>

[AM909]

Ultimately, they really need to fix this most basic mapmaking tool -
the ability to correctly draw and edit roads, as well as to correct
all the existing data once it is no longer possible to create these
strange situations.

It's hard to imagine anything more important to the users and the
overall results of the project, isn't it?

@Gorio: At one time, I probably knew exactly the steps to reproduce
this, but I don't remember any more. If you're really interested, I
may have written about it, but I don't think I found it when going
through my postings that had "BUG" in the subject. You might check the
Issue Tracker for issues that I authored to see if it's mentioned in
one of those that might be related, or maybe look at my other posts,
though I'm not quite sure what to search for.

My advice, however, is to put this one on your "todo" pile until they
fix the tool and the data so you don't have to worry about how to get
around it. I have a large list, waiting for such time as they make it
possible to productively use my time.

[Keshav]

I also had come across such situation while doing "Edit Entire road" and A-B markers were shown in the middle of the highlight road.  Here's link to that road: http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&fll=26.671314,87.703171&fr=0.001534,0.001717&mpp=4.268990&gw=12&ll=26.690871,87.701883&spn=0.05483,0.081711&z=14

To highlight it just now I've named that road to "#1 Road" just to check out how much of the road gets the new name - "#1 Road".  As I had guessed "Edit Entire Road" applies the attribute values (road name change) only within the A-B bubbles range ! even though the highlight road is even longer than that.

What you do is, select any segment of the "#1 Road" and click "Edit Entire road" - The blue highlight marks 5km+ of the road, but A-B bubbles covers only about 3 km of the entire road.

However, if you select any part of the road above "#1 Road" and click "Edit Entire road" - no part of "#1 Road" gets highlighted though.

My assumption is,  while doing "Edit Entire road", the range/length of A-B bubbles are restricted to 5 km length, and hence one of the A-B bubble markers being shown in the middle of the highlighted road.  And in order to edit attributes beyond the range shown by A-B bubbles, one has to select a segment beyond the A-B bubbles on the portion of the highlight road and do "Edit Entire road" until you reach the actual end point of the road.

In the past, in this very map (some local roads in this map), I had seen A-B markers in 3 different places depending on which segment I pickup to click on "Edit Entire road".  If I remember correctly, the total length of extended road was above 15 km.  The author who drew the road liked "Extend road" option so much so - he drew entire road network that way.  At that time, I asked the author to delete the road segments and limit "entire road length" within 5 km in length.  But I let this portion of the road intact in-order to come back later and check how MapMaker would behave later as MapMaker evolve.

I guess this example explains a little bit of Gorio's situation.

Keshav

2009/8/4 AM909 <alan....@gmail.com>

[MapMaker Guide]

Hi All,
Jabran's first point was correct in describing the wrongly extended
road. We had helped him in editing such roads in Gujranwala, Pakistan.
This error does occur when multiple options are 'checked' while
creating/extending the road. In the case pointed out by Gorio, I
believe that the Western part of the road (the part that gets
highlighted even after point 'B') was created selecting the options
'Extend Unnamed Road' and also 'Create new Road'.

Please note that to avoid such erroneus roads being created, please
use only one option while extending a road and not multiple options.
Correcting this error requires deleting the wrongly extended road and
redrawing it.

Regards,
MapMaker Guide.

On Aug 4, 1:54 pm, Keshav <krm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I also had come across such situation while doing "Edit Entire road" and A-B
> markers were shown in the middle of the highlight road.  Here's link to that

> road:http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&fll=26.671314,87.703171&fr=0.001...

> 2009/8/4 AM909 <alan.mi...@gmail.com>