Native Linux port of Picasa wanted
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Martin Bogelund
Aug 7, 2008, 6:51:45 AM8/7/08
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I can't get Picasa to work on my Fedora 9 system. The problem is a
change in the Wine-layer, and the work-arounds don't solve the issue
for me.
But this is not a request for help on this issue.
I just don't like the approach by Google to let the "Linux version" of
Picasa consist of the Windows-version+WIne - I want a native Linux-
version.
I realize that the aim of Googles approach isn't to annoy me, but to
bring me an application as fast as possible, as cheap as possible (for
free) and as feature-rich as possible. And since Windows is Googles
main target due to its marketshare, this approach makes sense for
Google and for many Linux-users. But not for me.
So, a big "Thank you" to Google for the effort on bringing Picasa to
my preferred platform, but I humbly suggest that you consider making a
native Linux port - the Wine-approach is suboptimal.
vkr Martin
change in the Wine-layer, and the work-arounds don't solve the issue
for me.
But this is not a request for help on this issue.
I just don't like the approach by Google to let the "Linux version" of
Picasa consist of the Windows-version+WIne - I want a native Linux-
version.
I realize that the aim of Googles approach isn't to annoy me, but to
bring me an application as fast as possible, as cheap as possible (for
free) and as feature-rich as possible. And since Windows is Googles
main target due to its marketshare, this approach makes sense for
Google and for many Linux-users. But not for me.
So, a big "Thank you" to Google for the effort on bringing Picasa to
my preferred platform, but I humbly suggest that you consider making a
native Linux port - the Wine-approach is suboptimal.
vkr Martin
Josh
Aug 8, 2008, 2:01:35 AM8/8/08
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Well said! We Linux users are not trying to WINE about this (ok, that
was cheap), but a native application always feels and functions best.
I'm also more than happy to use the current version until a native
application is possible. I pay for storage from Google. Combined with
Picasa, this is the best backup solution of photos in my opinion.
Thanks Google!
was cheap), but a native application always feels and functions best.
I'm also more than happy to use the current version until a native
application is possible. I pay for storage from Google. Combined with
Picasa, this is the best backup solution of photos in my opinion.
Thanks Google!
dank
Aug 8, 2008, 7:59:59 AM8/8/08
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n Aug 7, 3:51 am, Martin Bogelund <mbogel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can't get Picasa to work on my Fedora 9 system. The problem is a
> change in the Wine-layer, and the work-arounds don't solve the issue
> for me.
>
> But this is not a request for help on this issue.
>
> I just don't like the approach by Google to let the "Linux version" of
> Picasa consist of the Windows-version+WIne - I want a native Linux-
> version.
Hi Martin,
> change in the Wine-layer, and the work-arounds don't solve the issue
> for me.
>
> But this is not a request for help on this issue.
>
> I just don't like the approach by Google to let the "Linux version" of
> Picasa consist of the Windows-version+WIne - I want a native Linux-
> version.
a native port is not scheduled yet. (Everyone realizes that native
is best, but we're stretched kind of thin. Practically speaking, the
order
in which one would see ports appear is in order of market share,
and the first non-Windows port would make it easier for later ones.)
Please have some patience with us. For now, let's see if we can get
your immediate problem fixed, ok?
Thanks,
Dan
Chipster
Aug 8, 2008, 8:50:58 AM8/8/08
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Dan,
Is there anything the community can do to help raise the priority of
this?
What kind of support does Google need to move this along?
I love this application and would like to have it native on my
systems.
Thanks,
Chip
Is there anything the community can do to help raise the priority of
this?
What kind of support does Google need to move this along?
I love this application and would like to have it native on my
systems.
Thanks,
Chip
leiz
Aug 8, 2008, 2:09:07 PM8/8/08
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Help fix Ubuntu bug #1. [1] ;-)
When Linux grabs a large (enough) share of the desktop computer
market, everyone will pay attention and start doing native ports. Look
at Firefox - once it got popular enough, the number of IE only sites
quickly fell.
[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
When Linux grabs a large (enough) share of the desktop computer
market, everyone will pay attention and start doing native ports. Look
at Firefox - once it got popular enough, the number of IE only sites
quickly fell.
[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
Martin Bogelund
Aug 12, 2008, 4:36:01 AM8/12/08
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I'm a developer myself so I perfectly understand your way of
prioritizing.
I wanted to take a look at Picasa to see if it was Linux-ready. I
found the answer to that question when Wine broke my ability to run
Picasa, so there's really no point in trying further.
My pictures are too important to me, so I'll just skip Picasa for now.
vkr
Martin
mhenriday
Aug 12, 2008, 12:37:37 PM8/12/08
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Dan, your argument with regard to priorities and market share is
understandable, but unfortunately leaves us users in a Catch 22
situation - we should like to have native support for Picasa on Linux
(as this would be more reliable than Windows + Wine), but are informed
that as Linux market share on desktops is so low, Microsoft products
must have priority. And when choosing our operating systems, we are
told that Windows is the only reasonable choice, as in other OS there
does not exist support for the applications we'd like to have, like
Picasa ! To break this circulus vitiosus, somebody with the power to
change things has to act - and who better than Google ? Google must
realise that a situation in which there exists a functioning market
for OS is to the firm's advantage, just as it is to its advantage that
there now exists a functioning market in web browsers, thanks to the
the success of Firefox - something perhaps not unconnected to the fact
that Google has provided the Mozilla Foundation with a significant
degree of support. I'm not suggesting that Google go into the OS
business or underwrite Linux distros, but it might not be a bad idea
if popular apps like Picasa for Linux were given native support,
instead of a Wine workaround....
Henri
understandable, but unfortunately leaves us users in a Catch 22
situation - we should like to have native support for Picasa on Linux
(as this would be more reliable than Windows + Wine), but are informed
that as Linux market share on desktops is so low, Microsoft products
must have priority. And when choosing our operating systems, we are
told that Windows is the only reasonable choice, as in other OS there
does not exist support for the applications we'd like to have, like
Picasa ! To break this circulus vitiosus, somebody with the power to
change things has to act - and who better than Google ? Google must
realise that a situation in which there exists a functioning market
for OS is to the firm's advantage, just as it is to its advantage that
there now exists a functioning market in web browsers, thanks to the
the success of Firefox - something perhaps not unconnected to the fact
that Google has provided the Mozilla Foundation with a significant
degree of support. I'm not suggesting that Google go into the OS
business or underwrite Linux distros, but it might not be a bad idea
if popular apps like Picasa for Linux were given native support,
instead of a Wine workaround....
Henri
dank
Aug 13, 2008, 9:16:26 AM8/13/08
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On Aug 12, 1:36 am, Martin Bogelund <mbogel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wanted to take a look at Picasa to see if it was Linux-ready. I
> found the answer to that question when Wine broke my ability to run
> Picasa, so there's really no point in trying further.
I can't imagine how installing vanilla Wine could affect
> I wanted to take a look at Picasa to see if it was Linux-ready. I
> found the answer to that question when Wine broke my ability to run
> Picasa, so there's really no point in trying further.
Picasa for Linux in the slightest - they're completely separate.
That's why I'd like to understand what happened to you.
- Dan
dank
Aug 13, 2008, 9:33:55 AM8/13/08
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On Aug 12, 9:37 am, mhenriday <mhenri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To break this circulus vitiosus, somebody with the power to
> change things has to act - and who better than Google ? Google must
> realise that a situation in which there exists a functioning market
> for OS is to the firm's advantage, just as it is to its advantage that
> there now exists a functioning market in web browsers, thanks to the
> the success of Firefox - something perhaps not unconnected to the fact
> that Google has provided the Mozilla Foundation with a significant
> degree of support. I'm not suggesting that Google go into the OS
> business or underwrite Linux distros, but it might not be a bad idea
> if popular apps like Picasa for Linux were given native support,
> instead of a Wine workaround....
Wine, if it works properly, is far more than a workaround.
> To break this circulus vitiosus, somebody with the power to
> change things has to act - and who better than Google ? Google must
> realise that a situation in which there exists a functioning market
> for OS is to the firm's advantage, just as it is to its advantage that
> there now exists a functioning market in web browsers, thanks to the
> the success of Firefox - something perhaps not unconnected to the fact
> that Google has provided the Mozilla Foundation with a significant
> degree of support. I'm not suggesting that Google go into the OS
> business or underwrite Linux distros, but it might not be a bad idea
> if popular apps like Picasa for Linux were given native support,
> instead of a Wine workaround....
Indeed, it might be a key part of making Linux a success on the
desktop.
Here's a hypothetical question for you (and I'm not speaking for
Google here):
which would have more impact on Linux's market share: a native
Picasa,
or a Wine that can run most key applications well? As
http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/08/07/ibm-exec-linux-apps-im-tired-waiting#comment-4185
said recently,
"Yeah, it would be nice to have a port of CS3 and AutoCAD, that would
get people's attention. But as popular as those two packages are,
that's just a drop in the bucket, really. Kind of gives you a new
appreciation for the importance of Wine and virtualization, doesn't
it?"
Perhaps your answer will be "You're mental; Wine sucks!", but there
are a
lot of people running Photoshop CS2 on Wine that would disagree with
you
(about the second part, anyway).
That said, we would definitely like to do a native Picasa.
It's just that we do not know, and cannot say, when it's going to
happen.
I can't even tell you whether we're currently working on it.
And this is my last reply on the subject; it's never a good idea
for a low-level engineer to debate the priorities of his large
employer
with customers!
- Dan
mhenriday
Aug 13, 2008, 2:43:02 PM8/13/08
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Dan, thanks for your reply, which I read with great interest ! I
certainly shouldn't presume upon myself to comment upon your mental
state - I used to do that sort of thing professionally and am aware of
the limits of diagnosis-at-a-distance - nor do I think it would be
correct to dismiss Wine with a «Wine sucks !». As you have recused
yourself from further debate, there's no point in my replying
specifically to all your comments ; let me here, however, note that in
signature Artinvent's response to the article to which you provided a
link, the passage you cited is immediately followed by the following
paragraph :
Many of these specialized programs are hideously expensive, and that
presents an opening to FOSS. What is really needed is for ISV's to
start targeting these specialized industries, using the tried and true
philosophy of Open Source: give away the app, remove barriers to
entry, allow everyone to work on it, grab a foothold in the market by
being the no-cost alternative, then charge for support, training,
service. Works for Red Hat and a ton of others. It can work in
specialized industries too.
Making good applications available to users free of charge, but
devising other ways monetising the service is, if I understand it
aright, precisely Google's business model, which seems to have been
hugely successful thus far. Perhaps native support for Picasa on Linux
(including 64-bit boxes !) could find a place within this model ?...
Let me say in closing that I don't think that I speak only for myself
when I say that the work you developers have done on Picasa for Linux
is highly appreciated. There should be no misunderstanding about
that....
Henri
On Aug 13, 3:33 pm, dank <daniel.r.ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 9:37 am, mhenriday <mhenri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > To break this circulus vitiosus, somebody with the power to
> > change things has to act - and who better than Google ? Google must
> > realise that a situation in which there exists a functioning market
> > for OS is to the firm's advantage, just as it is to its advantage that
> > there now exists a functioning market in web browsers, thanks to the
> > the success of Firefox - something perhaps not unconnected to the fact
> > that Google has provided the Mozilla Foundation with a significant
> > degree of support. I'm not suggesting that Google go into the OS
> > business or underwrite Linux distros, but it might not be a bad idea
> > if popular apps like Picasa for Linux were given native support,
> > instead of a Wine workaround....
>
> Wine, if it works properly, is far more than a workaround.
> Indeed, it might be a key part of making Linux a success on the
> desktop.
> Here's a hypothetical question for you (and I'm not speaking for
> Google here):
> which would have more impact on Linux's market share: a native
> Picasa,
> or a Wine that can run most key applications well? Ashttp://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/08/07/ibm-exec-linux-apps-im-tir...
certainly shouldn't presume upon myself to comment upon your mental
state - I used to do that sort of thing professionally and am aware of
the limits of diagnosis-at-a-distance - nor do I think it would be
correct to dismiss Wine with a «Wine sucks !». As you have recused
yourself from further debate, there's no point in my replying
specifically to all your comments ; let me here, however, note that in
signature Artinvent's response to the article to which you provided a
link, the passage you cited is immediately followed by the following
paragraph :
Many of these specialized programs are hideously expensive, and that
presents an opening to FOSS. What is really needed is for ISV's to
start targeting these specialized industries, using the tried and true
philosophy of Open Source: give away the app, remove barriers to
entry, allow everyone to work on it, grab a foothold in the market by
being the no-cost alternative, then charge for support, training,
service. Works for Red Hat and a ton of others. It can work in
specialized industries too.
Making good applications available to users free of charge, but
devising other ways monetising the service is, if I understand it
aright, precisely Google's business model, which seems to have been
hugely successful thus far. Perhaps native support for Picasa on Linux
(including 64-bit boxes !) could find a place within this model ?...
Let me say in closing that I don't think that I speak only for myself
when I say that the work you developers have done on Picasa for Linux
is highly appreciated. There should be no misunderstanding about
that....
Henri
On Aug 13, 3:33 pm, dank <daniel.r.ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 9:37 am, mhenriday <mhenri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > To break this circulus vitiosus, somebody with the power to
> > change things has to act - and who better than Google ? Google must
> > realise that a situation in which there exists a functioning market
> > for OS is to the firm's advantage, just as it is to its advantage that
> > there now exists a functioning market in web browsers, thanks to the
> > the success of Firefox - something perhaps not unconnected to the fact
> > that Google has provided the Mozilla Foundation with a significant
> > degree of support. I'm not suggesting that Google go into the OS
> > business or underwrite Linux distros, but it might not be a bad idea
> > if popular apps like Picasa for Linux were given native support,
> > instead of a Wine workaround....
>
> Wine, if it works properly, is far more than a workaround.
> Indeed, it might be a key part of making Linux a success on the
> desktop.
> Here's a hypothetical question for you (and I'm not speaking for
> Google here):
> which would have more impact on Linux's market share: a native
> Picasa,
Martin Bogelund
Aug 15, 2008, 5:08:34 AM8/15/08
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rep. but it might also be coming from freshRPMs or livna repositories.
I'll go check and post a more complete bug-report here.
But I still disagree with the Wine approach.
Why don't you make a total shift, skip the Windows version, make a
pure Linux version instead, and have Windows users run that on Cygwin
instead...?
:-)
vkr
Martin
Martin Bogelund
Aug 15, 2008, 5:20:25 AM8/15/08
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On Aug 13, 3:33 pm, dank <daniel.r.ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That said, we would definitely like to do a native Picasa.
> It's just that we do not know, and cannot say, when it's going to
> happen.
> I can't even tell you whether we're currently working on it.
> And this is my last reply on the subject; it's never a good idea
> for a low-level engineer to debate the priorities of his large
> employer
> with customers!
> - Dan
I think that's a wise decision, Dan.
> It's just that we do not know, and cannot say, when it's going to
> happen.
> I can't even tell you whether we're currently working on it.
> And this is my last reply on the subject; it's never a good idea
> for a low-level engineer to debate the priorities of his large
> employer
> with customers!
> - Dan
But if you ever get the chance to discuss this with your "large
employer", you could ask them to target all their web-apps towards
Internet Explorer, and then ask the Firefox developers to play catchup
with IE's rendering engine...
At least then you'll be consequent in underpinning the monopolies of
your biggest competitor, as is the case with your "Windows preferred"
strategy on Picasa :-)
vkr
Martin
Martin Bogelund
Aug 15, 2008, 2:51:12 PM8/15/08
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On Aug 13, 3:16 pm, dank <daniel.r.ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
Problem and solution is described in
http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Labs-Picasa-for-Linux/browse_thread/thread/91d956e2d643cb19?hl=en
Thanks for your time.
vkr
Martin
Luis Alberto Guanuco
Aug 16, 2008, 12:26:14 AM8/16/08
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thanks Martin,
I will try what I say. I am a student of electronic engineering and
research work. Besides that I am looking for information on CAD tools
for electronics. Greetings and we are
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dank
Aug 16, 2008, 11:18:39 AM8/16/08
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On Aug 15, 11:51 am, Martin Bogelund <mbogel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I wanted to take a look at Picasa to see if it was Linux-ready. I
> > > found the answer to that question when Wine broke my ability to run
> > > Picasa, so there's really no point in trying further.
>
> > > I wanted to take a look at Picasa to see if it was Linux-ready. I
> > > found the answer to that question when Wine broke my ability to run
> > > Picasa, so there's really no point in trying further.
>
> OK, I got it to work now.
>
> Problem and solution is described inhttp://groups.google.com/group/Google-Labs-Picasa-for-Linux/browse_th...
>
Ah, you seem to have done a kernel or system update, and ran into
http://wiki.winehq.org/PreloaderPageZeroProblem
Yeah, every now and then distributions break a few applications in
the name of security. Our next version should be safe from
this problem.
- Dan
Alan Cramer
Aug 25, 2008, 5:34:40 PM8/25/08
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On Aug 7, 8:51 pm, Martin Bogelund <mbogel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just don't like the approach by Google to let the "Linux version" of
> Picasa consist of the Windows-version+WIne - I want a native Linux-
> version.
"Daddy, I want a golden goose" "All right, sweetheart. Daddy'll get
> I just don't like the approach by Google to let the "Linux version" of
> Picasa consist of the Windows-version+WIne - I want a native Linux-
> version.
you a golden goose as soon as we get home." :-P
mhenriday
Aug 26, 2008, 3:48:23 PM8/26/08
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Alan Cramer, are we to infer from your posting that we users should
*not* use this forum to inform the Picasa-for-Linux developers of what
we ourselves perceive as our needs and our desires ? There are, of
course, better and worse ways of doing so - «Picasa for Linux sucks»,
coupled with a «threat» to use a competitor's application, for
example, definitely belongs to the latter category, but my impression
is that most of the requests posted here are constructive in tone and
of use to developers who wish to keep themselves informed as to what
users are thinking. A request for a native Linux version of Picasa is
hardly on a par with a request for a goose that lays golden eggs, much
less for killing her in order to find the source of the baubles....
Henri
*not* use this forum to inform the Picasa-for-Linux developers of what
we ourselves perceive as our needs and our desires ? There are, of
course, better and worse ways of doing so - «Picasa for Linux sucks»,
coupled with a «threat» to use a competitor's application, for
example, definitely belongs to the latter category, but my impression
is that most of the requests posted here are constructive in tone and
of use to developers who wish to keep themselves informed as to what
users are thinking. A request for a native Linux version of Picasa is
hardly on a par with a request for a goose that lays golden eggs, much
less for killing her in order to find the source of the baubles....
Henri
Martin Bogelund
Aug 31, 2008, 3:23:01 PM8/31/08
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Nah, it's OK... If Alan Cramer considers Linux applications to be as
valuable as golden geese, I'll be the last one to disagree with him!
:-)
valuable as golden geese, I'll be the last one to disagree with him!
:-)
jigarshah
Sep 3, 2008, 4:01:06 PM9/3/08
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Hi Alan, You are correct to an extent. But i think for now (at least
till linux market share grows) Why don't you make picasa-for-linux a
first class citizen ? If you remember how much time it took for picasa
2.7 ported to linux. Hopefully thats not the case for Picasa 3. It not
about people want it 'really quick' Its about commitment of google
with open source community. As far as web is concerned Google has show
strong commitment for FOSS.
All the best Alan.
On Sep 1, 12:23 am, Martin Bogelund <mbogel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nah, it's OK... If Alan Cramer considers Linux applications to be as
> valuable as golden geese, I'll be the last one to disagree with him!
thi> :-)
till linux market share grows) Why don't you make picasa-for-linux a
first class citizen ? If you remember how much time it took for picasa
2.7 ported to linux. Hopefully thats not the case for Picasa 3. It not
about people want it 'really quick' Its about commitment of google
with open source community. As far as web is concerned Google has show
strong commitment for FOSS.
All the best Alan.
On Sep 1, 12:23 am, Martin Bogelund <mbogel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nah, it's OK... If Alan Cramer considers Linux applications to be as
> valuable as golden geese, I'll be the last one to disagree with him!
navetz
Sep 25, 2008, 2:53:29 AM9/25/08
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I think we should be happy that google is a major company on "our"
side. Lets face it, google is a company and we are sitting here asking
the developers to cater to our needs.
I tried asking everywhere at microsoft for some hotmail support
(linux) and never got 1 reply.
I am just very happy that google exists. Without google we would be
having a conversation on why Apple created picasa and was charging
people to look at images. (exaggeration)
side. Lets face it, google is a company and we are sitting here asking
the developers to cater to our needs.
I tried asking everywhere at microsoft for some hotmail support
(linux) and never got 1 reply.
I am just very happy that google exists. Without google we would be
having a conversation on why Apple created picasa and was charging
people to look at images. (exaggeration)
navetz
Sep 25, 2008, 2:53:55 AM9/25/08
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I think we should be happy that google is a major company on "our"
side. Lets face it, google is a company and we are sitting here asking
the developers to cater to our needs.
I tried asking everywhere at microsoft for some hotmail support
(linux) and never got 1 reply.
I am just very happy that google exists. Without google we would be
having a conversation on why Apple created picasa and was charging
people to look at images. (exaggeration)
On Sep 3, 4:01 pm, jigarshah <meetji...@gmail.com> wrote:
side. Lets face it, google is a company and we are sitting here asking
the developers to cater to our needs.
I tried asking everywhere at microsoft for some hotmail support
(linux) and never got 1 reply.
I am just very happy that google exists. Without google we would be
having a conversation on why Apple created picasa and was charging
people to look at images. (exaggeration)
On Sep 3, 4:01 pm, jigarshah <meetji...@gmail.com> wrote:
mhenriday
Sep 25, 2008, 12:13:32 PM9/25/08
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I must admit I'm very happy with Picasa for Linux, even though it is a
Wine version - the developers seem to have done a splendid job, and I
for one can hardly see the difference between the Linux version on my
Ubuntu Hardy setup and the Windows versions on my XP and Vista setups.
It would seem to be the case that all Wine versions of all Windows
apps are not born equal - thus while Picasa for Linux works very well
for me, the CrossOver Chromium version of the Chrome browser is no
where near as good as the Windows versions. I am also very pleased at
the alacrity anc courtesy exhibited by the Picasa for Linux developers
in dealing with the issues taken up on this forum. Way to go !...
Henri
Wine version - the developers seem to have done a splendid job, and I
for one can hardly see the difference between the Linux version on my
Ubuntu Hardy setup and the Windows versions on my XP and Vista setups.
It would seem to be the case that all Wine versions of all Windows
apps are not born equal - thus while Picasa for Linux works very well
for me, the CrossOver Chromium version of the Chrome browser is no
where near as good as the Windows versions. I am also very pleased at
the alacrity anc courtesy exhibited by the Picasa for Linux developers
in dealing with the issues taken up on this forum. Way to go !...
Henri
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