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Xah  
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 More options Sep 17 2008, 7:27 pm
From: Xah
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:27:37 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Sep 17 2008 7:27 pm
Subject: cannot post message. Is that due to spam content check?
I'm trying to post the following message to one of the gnu.emacs.help
thread
here: http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.help/msg/91daf49fd7a56f17?

however, when i click on post, it says
«We were unable to post your message
If you believe this is an error, please contact Google Support.»

I tried post the message as a new thread, but still same error. No
luck after clearing cookies and relogin and or restart Safari browser.

What's wrong?

I'm suspecting that google is checking the message content and think
it is spam? cause there are lots of spam blogs or spam newsgroup posts
that contains my name “Xah Lee” or my site and site content
“xahlee.org”. If so, what can i do about it? (i have often reported
such spams thru the report button or google blog help page)

The following is the message content.

----------------------

Xah wrote:

«I think the existance of the lisp scratch buffer is one of the major
usability problem of emacs that prevents emacs from being widely
adopted by most text editing audience.»

Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> Hi Xah ,

> For what it's worth, I think I would appreciate an option that makes the
> current behavior of the *scratch* buffer tunable, i.e. by an option like:

>     (defvar scratch-buffer-uses-fundamental-mode nil
>       "Non-nil makes the *scratch* buffer use `fundamental-mode'.

>     Emacs recreates the *scratch* buffer in `lisp-interaction-mode'.
>     If you are not really interested to use `lisp-interaction-mode',
>     but you would prefer to start all scratch buffers in
>     `fundamental-mode', to start editing text instead of typing Lisp
>     expressions, set the `scratch-buffer-uses-fundamental-mode'
>     variable to a non-nil value.")

by having a New command with Ctrl+n key, it solves this problem with
scratch plus what you want.

• The New command is a standard across Mac, Windows, Unix (Linux). It
is familiar to all software users.

• The Ctrl+n shortcut for New is standard and familiar to all software
users.

• The New commmand (where the corresponding elisp command name might
will be named new-empty-buffer), can supplant completely the
functionality of *scratch* buffer.

• When users want to have a scratch buffer, he can create it by simply
pressing the shortcut, and when he doesn't want it, he can simply
close it with a standard keystroke Ctrl+w.

• Users can have multiple *scratch* buffers easily without the need to
look into emacs doc.

• The “*scratch*” name is not in some technical jargon sense the best
one. “*untitled*” or “untitled” is a better one, and widely used
across some 99% of OSes and applications. The name “*scratch*” is
unnecessarily narrow, as to indicate that the buffer's content is only
for temp purposes, while “untitled” can include the purpose of
scratch, and can be discarded just as “*scratch*”.

• The respawning of “*scratch*” buffer behavior is unusual, almost
unique to emacs among the thousands of application today. Letting user
have control to create and and discard such buffer is better.

• The “*scratch*” buffer is primarily used by elisp programers. Few
professional programers in the IT industry knows about lisp, and only
minor percentage of emacs users actually code emacs lisp.

> > I wrote some detail about it here:
> > http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization.html

> But I don't like the `personal attack' style that this text uses, and I
> don't really agree with *all* the proposed `modernization' features.

The Modernization of Emacs article at
http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization.html
does not have any “personal attack” writing style. Perhaps you were
thinking my other newsgroup posts elsewhere where this issue is
discussed.

> I don't really agree with *all* the proposed `modernization'
> features.

If you agree to some, please file a bug report, or help spread the
idea. Thanks for discussing this issue with me.

I think your model can complicate the user interface.

A simple New menu command (create-empty-buffer) that creates a new
buffer in some customizable default mode, solves what you wanted and
it gives you extra power.

Emacs does not provide a user level function to create a new buffer.
It has just New, which actually creates a empty file. Most apps's New
command does not work like that. They actually just create a new
buffer, and only when user save it it becomes a file.

Creating a new buffer is actually quite useful. For example, well
known programer Stevey Yegg in his “Effective Emacs” blog list it as a
top 10 tip in emacs productivity. The emacs menu should have a New
command with Ctrl+n that calls create-empty-buffer.

-------------------------

PS as i mentioned in previous message, i did implement the above. In
my draft code,

• create-new-buffer will create a new empty buffer named “untitled”.
(this should be added the menu command under “File‣New” but i haven't
done that yet.)

• create-new-buffer has standard keyboard shortcut Ctrl+n.

• elisp command close-current-buffer will close the current buffer,
and if it is a buffer not associated with a file (such as “untitled”),
it'll ask user to save (unless it has no content)

• close-current-buffer has the standard keyboard shortcut Ctrl+w.

• close-current-buffer should have menu under “File‣Close”, but it is
not currently done. The existing “File‣Close” menu command calls kill-
this-buffer, which has 2 problems. (1) it doesn't have a shortcut. (2)
it doesn't ask users to save a non-file-associated buffer at all.
(this is major problem that leads to losing data; including
“*scratch*” buffer. The fact that emacs users dont seem to notice this
problem is because it doesn't have a keyboard shortcut, so that
actually nobody uses this command. Most use kill-buffer, which is
annoying because it promps even if the file is already saved.)

You can find the code for the above implementation here:
http://xahlee.org/emacs/modern_operations.el

The code is practically usable, since i use it daily for about half a
year now with incremental improvement and bug fixes, but i'm sure it
can use a lot more polishing for public use.

It is GPL'd, so feel free to grab pieces for your own use or submit
into GNU.

one thing leads to another... i'm going to file a bug report (a
suggestion) on the “*scratch*” now.

(for some reason, google groups won't let me post this message... if
it went thru, that's cause i have to change the content to remove my
name Xah Lee or site xahlee .org cause spammers are using it)

2008-09-17

  Xah
http://xahlee.org/



 
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Aldox  
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 More options Sep 17 2008, 7:50 pm
From: Aldox
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:50:14 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Sep 17 2008 7:50 pm
Subject: Re: cannot post message. Is that due to spam content check?
It happens very often to me too during the day.......I think it's a
limitation Google is generally popping out when it believes an IP has
used enough bandwidth for some time!

My personal solution is to copy the message, click on the refresh
button of my browser. At this point, a captcha is proposed. Once
answered it, the thread is proposed again, then I reply, paste the
message and send.

Seemingly static IPs are more affected than dynamic IPs.
And finally, I wouldn't exclude that Google is trying to slow down and
discouraging with captchas a heavy use of some - or all - Usenet
groups.
An anti-spammer measure, but I wouldn't think it's aimed just at you.

Hope this helps
Aldo

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Xah Lee  
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 More options Sep 18 2008, 12:16 am
From: Xah Lee
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:16:04 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Sep 18 2008 12:16 am
Subject: Re: cannot post message. Is that due to spam content check?
the suggestion did not seem to help me.

I refresh and don't get the capcha.

I tried to login using another google account, didn't help. I tried to
post as new message, or even just email thru the email author button,
it didn't let me neither. Although i was able to reply other message
in that thread.

for some reason i suspect it's checking on my message content. Am
somewhat pissed that i couldn't post my message.

  Xah
http://xahlee.org/


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icqman  
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 More options Sep 18 2008, 1:12 am
From: icqman
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:12:48 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Sep 18 2008 1:12 am
Subject: Re: cannot post message. Is that due to spam content check?

We were unable to post your message

If you believe this is an error, please contact Google Support.

http://groups.google.com/group/fastpics/post

PLEASE HELP
I AM THE OWNER OF THIS GROUP


 
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Aldox  
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 More options Sep 18 2008, 8:11 am
From: Aldox
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:11:31 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Sep 18 2008 8:11 am
Subject: Re: cannot post message. Is that due to spam content check?
In the Help Center you can read:

"Is there a limit on how often I can post?
Yes, there are a couple ways in which posting frequency is limited.
One limit is the number of messages posted to any single group within
a short period of time. We also limit the number of messages a single
user or computer can post via our website in a short period of time.
If you reach the first limit, your posting ability will be frozen and
you'll be notified via email. The email will look something like this
message:
 Your message could not be posted to the [groupname] group because
there have been too many messages posted to the group recently.
If you run into the second limit, you'll see a notification directly
on the Groups interface.
Please note that we're unable to provide the exact numbers that
trigger these posting limits as they are something we manipulate for
spam fighting purposes."

But I understand this has nothing to do with the actual "limitations"
triggering that (in)famous message ending with
"contact Google Support".

That message is likely triggered or by some "momentary" server
problems, or by detection of a "spike" in Google groups use from an IP
address. That's all.

Regards
Aldo

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Xah Lee  
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 More options Sep 19 2008, 4:29 am
From: Xah Lee
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:29:38 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Sep 19 2008 4:29 am
Subject: Re: cannot post message. Is that due to spam content check?
i tried to post the same message but with rot13 transformation, and it
went thru right off.

So, apparently some string in the message content is ticking off
google's spam detector.

am quite pissed at google. From websites, you can read that there are
some tens of thousand spam blogs using google's blogger and seems
google is doing nothing about it or falling very much behind.

this effect me because in newsgroup or google blog search, when i
search my name (Xah or Xah Lee), half of the results are machine
generated spams. This has been going on for the past 1 year. And now i
can't even post.

-----------------------

Wikipedia: Spam blog↗.

Quote:

    Splogs have become a major problem on free blog hosts such as
Google's Blogger service. By one estimate, about one in five blogs are
spam blogs.[1]

    [1] = “One in Five Blogs Is Spam” (2005-12-21) By Brian Morrissey.
Adweek. (Source↗ 2008-09)

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