I just gave it a whirl with something I've been working on (www.presicient.com/shodo/tryshodo.html). Note that the page only embeds images via drawImage() (except for a progress bar that worked on "real" IE7, but appears broken in both modes in IE8). In IE8 mode, it doesn't work; in IE7 emulation mode, it works OK.
I haven't had a chance to try other drawing primitives, or debug what might be wrong. I have checked the developer forum and newsgroup, but nothing about VML in IE8 pops up. And I can't find anything in the other docs.
I've posted a query about VML/canvas/SVG support to their newsgroup; I guess we'll see what their story is...
Dean Arnold wrote: > I just gave it a whirl with something I've been working on > (www.presicient.com/shodo/tryshodo.html). Note that the > page only embeds images via drawImage() (except for a > progress bar that worked on "real" IE7, but appears broken > in both modes in IE8). In IE8 mode, > it doesn't work; in IE7 emulation mode, it works OK.
> I haven't had a chance to try other drawing primitives, > or debug what might be wrong. I have checked the developer > forum and newsgroup, but nothing about VML in IE8 pops > up. And I can't find anything in the other docs.
DOH! I just remembered another site I have that uses canvas to render popups (www.presicient.com/langjobs/usajobs.html). And it actually works in both IE7 and IE8 mode.
So it may just be an issue with drawImage, or maybe w/ the tryshodo.html layouts. (usajobs.html doesn't drawImage, it just overlays IFRAMEs in the popups).
Sorry for the interruption, Dean Arnold Presicient Corp.
> Dean Arnold wrote:
> > I just gave it a whirl with something I've been working on
> > (www.presicient.com/shodo/tryshodo.html). Note that the
> > page only embeds images via drawImage() (except for a
> > progress bar that worked on "real" IE7, but appears broken
> > in both modes in IE8). In IE8 mode,
> > it doesn't work; in IE7 emulation mode, it works OK.
> > I haven't had a chance to try other drawing primitives,
> > or debug what might be wrong. I have checked the developer
> > forum and newsgroup, but nothing about VML in IE8 pops
> > up. And I can't find anything in the other docs.
> DOH! I just remembered another site I have that uses
> canvas to render popups (www.presicient.com/langjobs/usajobs.html).
> And it actually works in both IE7 and IE8 mode.
> So it may just be an issue with drawImage, or maybe w/ the
> tryshodo.html layouts. (usajobs.html doesn't drawImage,
> it just overlays IFRAMEs in the popups).
> Sorry for the interruption,
> Dean Arnold
> Presicient Corp.
My current problem is that I don't see any evidence of increased
standards in IE8. I'm wondering if I need a strict DOCTYPE to see it.
But in strict, IE8 chokes on the CANVAS.
As a result, I don't see any opportunity to remove my IE hacks for
IE8.
I'll probably wait for the hubbub to die down and see what people are
saying about IE8 standards compliance. Seems no better than IE7 to me
now, which can't be right, because I know those guys have been working
on it.
On Mar 5, 3:53 pm, timothytoe <timothy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My canvases are working in IE8. I'm using Transitional HTML. What is
> your DOCTYPE?
> On Mar 5, 3:31 pm, Dean Arnold <darn...@presicient.com> wrote:
> > Dean Arnold wrote:
> > > I just gave it a whirl with something I've been working on
> > > (www.presicient.com/shodo/tryshodo.html). Note that the
> > > page only embeds images via drawImage() (except for a
> > > progress bar that worked on "real" IE7, but appears broken
> > > in both modes in IE8). In IE8 mode,
> > > it doesn't work; in IE7 emulation mode, it works OK.
> > > I haven't had a chance to try other drawing primitives,
> > > or debug what might be wrong. I have checked the developer
> > > forum and newsgroup, but nothing about VML in IE8 pops
> > > up. And I can't find anything in the other docs.
> > DOH! I just remembered another site I have that uses
> > canvas to render popups (www.presicient.com/langjobs/usajobs.html).
> > And it actually works in both IE7 and IE8 mode.
> > So it may just be an issue with drawImage, or maybe w/ the
> > tryshodo.html layouts. (usajobs.html doesn't drawImage,
> > it just overlays IFRAMEs in the popups).
> > Sorry for the interruption,
> > Dean Arnold
> > Presicient Corp.
Here's the MSFT response to my query in microsoft.public.internetexplorer.beta:
> > Layout and rendering behaviors, proprietary features upon which VML is > built, are not yet implemented in IE8 standards mode. Look for this feature > in a future beta release. In the meantime, using the Emulate IE7 button or > using an IE7 meta tag should enable VML to work as before. >
Dean Arnold wrote: > For completeness sake I should add > that, after disabling excanvas in some pages, > I can confirm that IE8 does not have native canvas support.
I'm really disappointed. Looks like excanvas will be around for some more years... It doesn't have Canvas, it doesn't have SVG, I have lots of JavaScript-problems with it (I hope it resolves down to one little quirk which is only present in the beta or is simply a IE6/7 hack which is no longer needed) and the DirectX-CSS-Filters (at least the AlphaImageLoader) seems to be broken. Ok, maybe it's really no longer needed, havn't tried yet. Even in IE7 I needed this filter because native alphatransparency support doesn't work correctly when combined with other DirectX-filters (Like the matrix filter).
So my patched drawImage() method of excanvas (Which relies on the ImageAlphaLoader instead of VML) doesn't work at all in IE8...
Fine, it's just a beta and they now pass the Acid2 test so hopefully they did at least something good to CSS support (Or maybe they just display a static image when the browser detects the Acid2 test ;-).
Oh, the greatest improvement I found yet is that the menu bar is now per default and without any registry hacks ABOVE the address bar where it belongs to. Nice work, Microsoft.
-- Bye, K <http://www.ailis.de/~k/> [A735 47EC D87B 1F15 C1E9 53D3 AA03 6173 A723 E391] (Finger k...@ailis.de to get public key)
SO far I haven't been able to remove a single IE hack in IE8, but I'm
still confused as to whether I should be in a strict DOCTYPE in order
to see fixes. Strict, of course, hates my <canvas> tags.
On Mar 6, 7:32 am, Klaus Reimer <k...@ailis.de> wrote:
> Dean Arnold wrote:
> > For completeness sake I should add
> > that, after disabling excanvas in some pages,
> > I can confirm that IE8 does not have native canvas support.
> I'm really disappointed. Looks like excanvas will be around for some
> more years... It doesn't have Canvas, it doesn't have SVG, I have lots
> of JavaScript-problems with it (I hope it resolves down to one little
> quirk which is only present in the beta or is simply a IE6/7 hack which
> is no longer needed) and the DirectX-CSS-Filters (at least the
> AlphaImageLoader) seems to be broken. Ok, maybe it's really no longer
> needed, havn't tried yet. Even in IE7 I needed this filter because
> native alphatransparency support doesn't work correctly when combined
> with other DirectX-filters (Like the matrix filter).
> So my patched drawImage() method of excanvas (Which relies on the
> ImageAlphaLoader instead of VML) doesn't work at all in IE8...
> Fine, it's just a beta and they now pass the Acid2 test so hopefully
> they did at least something good to CSS support (Or maybe they just
> display a static image when the browser detects the Acid2 test ;-).
> Oh, the greatest improvement I found yet is that the menu bar is now per
> default and without any registry hacks ABOVE the address bar where it
> belongs to. Nice work, Microsoft.
> --
> Bye, K <http://www.ailis.de/~k/>
> [A735 47EC D87B 1F15 C1E9 53D3 AA03 6173 A723 E391]
> (Finger k...@ailis.de to get public key)
Thanks for keeping us informed. I really appreciate it.
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 07:31, Dean Arnold <darn...@presicient.com> wrote:
> Here's the MSFT response to my query in microsoft.public.internetexplorer.beta:
> > Layout and rendering behaviors, proprietary features upon which VML is > > built, are not yet implemented in IE8 standards mode. Look for this feature > > in a future beta release. In the meantime, using the Emulate IE7 button or > > using an IE7 meta tag should enable VML to work as before.
My experience so far is this: No luck in IE8 (even in IE7 mode) when a
valid DOCTYPE is included (even HTML Transitional Loose). But works
just fine in quirks mode. Can someone check that hypothesis to see if
I've got it right?
Seems like unless IE8 changes, excanvas is going to have to change. I
can't see being stuck in quirks mode every time we want to use
excanvas.
On Mar 6, 8:53 am, "Erik Arvidsson" <erik.arvids...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for keeping us informed. I really appreciate it.
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 07:31, Dean Arnold <darn...@presicient.com> wrote:
> > Here's the MSFT response to my query in microsoft.public.internetexplorer.beta:
> > > Layout and rendering behaviors, proprietary features upon which VML is
> > > built, are not yet implemented in IE8 standards mode. Look for this feature
> > > in a future beta release. In the meantime, using the Emulate IE7 button or
> > > using an IE7 meta tag should enable VML to work as before.
