It occured to me that lots of people (including me) have been caught
out by the SVN issue, in my case regarding Wiki pages. It's bad
practice IMHO that Google makes the assumption that Wiki pages should
be versioned.

If you don't mind me saying it could be solved by somehow allowing a
'sandbox' mode by this I don't mean an area to practice Wiki syntax
but a simple mode that would allow you to make any changes you want
before they are 'commited' i.e a 'draft' type status.

It has already been marked up as an issue but I don't feel from
reading the comments on this Google are offering what people want. I
understand SVN is complicated and GCH have to manage the service
however the practice of WikiPages being versioned without really
explaining this when you setup your project is not something I have
enjoyed.

Another alternative wold be to use the same idea above but on say a
timed basis:

1 - Setup project
2 - Project is in sandbox mode for say 7 days (or even until it's
switched off)
3 - Project goes 'live'

Indeed this approach may be a better one, it ill reduce those SVN
requests and would give people like me the chance to explore the
services and become familiar with the tools. This is important to
users who migrate from SourceForge and should be given a higher
priority from GCH.

This issue has STOPPED me from continuing my project for now, as I
have requested the 2 projects I setup to 'test' have still not been
deleted and I have no intention of continuing despite the
attractiveness of the GCH offering.
Like I said you have to understand that many users of GCH will be
SourceForge or Berlios veterans and work in a certain way, whilst a
learning curve is expected little 'suprises' like this can be a deal
breaker.

On Jul 24, 4:01 am, Some RanDomHasH <somerandomh...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

humm at the contrary I like that wiki pages are versioned
in fact it make perfect sens to me

well what about people who want to have any change (even just one
char)
live as soon as possible ?

you see if I want to make changes to some wiki pages and have them
commited later,
I just write those changes locally and I commit them later

where is the problem to do that live ?
if you make a change on a wiki page, you can edit it, roll back, etc.
I mean nothing prevent you to explore the service

I don't see HOW this can stop you ?

at worst you have projects on "pending deletion", ok, so what ?
where does it stop you to continue on another project ?

zwetan

Dear RanDomHasH,

You've posted three times now, but I still don't understand what's
upsetting you, my apologies.

It's clear that you don't want the wiki to be version controlled, but
I can assure you that you're in a minority there and the wiki is not
about to change.  Most wiki software has versioning-features already
built in, so Google Code is no different in that regard.

You're waiting for your deleted projects to be garbage collected, but
it's not clear to me:

1) why you deleted them in the first place
2) why you care when they eventually get garbage collected
3) why you're being blocked from work
4) how any of this relates to the wiki being version-controlled

Can you clarify what the problem is?

Hi,
I am not upset lol, and maybe my post was not very well worded, I
understand the Wiki issue (and I agree I am in a minority) but my
'gripe' would be that this isse was not more clearly identified when a
project was setup.

In response to yourother points:

1 - My projects were flagged for deletion as they really ended up
being used to experiment with things BEFORE I started to use the GCH
service proper which is what I meant in my original post.
2 - I care (a little) because it would be useful to have an indication
because I want to re-use the original project name (although I now
understand this may not be possible)
3 - I am not being blocked from work per se, see answer no 2 (now I
know how things are working here)
4 - As I have said my prefrence would be no version control (or the
ability to mark the edits private/draft etc)

I don't have a problem it was more a series of observations based on
my usage (I acceppt I am one of 1000's of users), I was making
constructive criticism of the service rather than raising a problem. I
am sorry if that is not what came accross.

On Jul 24, 3:01 pm, "Ben Collins-Sussman" <suss...@google.com> wrote:

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Some RanDomHasH

OK

Easier solution:  we can just reset your svn repository, and you can
then 'undelete' the project and use it.  :-)   Let us know if you'd
like to do that.

OK

I totally agree.  We need to be much clearer upfront that wiki is
stored in svn -- the UI should state this somehow.  Thanks for the
feedback!