when trying to edit any of my wiki pages, i get the following error
Server Error
The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.
If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this
error message and the query that caused it.
The report link takes me to the main google help, where google code is
no where to be found.
That's occurring because your wiki pages no longer exist in source
control. Wiki pages are stored under /wiki in your subversion
repository; when you reset the repository, you deleted those wiki
pages. Unfortunately, the wiki editor doesn't handle this case well at
all - it throws errors.
If you want, we can synchronize your wiki with the contents in
subversion - just note that in your case, this will remove all of your
wiki pages.
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Kevin <kcharw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> when trying to edit any of my wiki pages, i get the following error
> Server Error
> The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.
> If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this
> error message and the query that caused it.
> The report link takes me to the main google help, where google code is
> no where to be found.
> That's occurring because your wiki pages no longer exist in source
> control. Wiki pages are stored under /wiki in your subversion
> repository; when you reset the repository, you deleted those wiki
> pages. Unfortunately, the wiki editor doesn't handle this case well at
> all - it throws errors.
> If you want, we can synchronize your wiki with the contents in
> subversion - just note that in your case, this will remove all of your
> wiki pages.
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Kevin <kcharw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > when trying to edit any of my wiki pages, i get the following error
> > Server Error
> > The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.
> > If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this
> > error message and the query that caused it.
> > The report link takes me to the main google help, where google code is
> > no where to be found.
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Kevin <kcharw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So the wiki pages are not recoverable... is that what you are saying?
> On Nov 6, 3:34 pm, Jacob Lee <artd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That's occurring because your wiki pages no longer exist in source
>> control. Wiki pages are stored under /wiki in your subversion
>> repository; when you reset the repository, you deleted those wiki
>> pages. Unfortunately, the wiki editor doesn't handle this case well at
>> all - it throws errors.
>> If you want, we can synchronize your wiki with the contents in
>> subversion - just note that in your case, this will remove all of your
>> wiki pages.
>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Kevin <kcharw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > when trying to edit any of my wiki pages, i get the following error
>> > Server Error
>> > The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.
>> > If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this
>> > error message and the query that caused it.
>> > The report link takes me to the main google help, where google code is
>> > no where to be found.
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Kevin <kcharw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So the wiki pages are not recoverable... is that what you are saying?
> > On Nov 6, 3:34 pm, Jacob Lee <artd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> That's occurring because your wiki pages no longer exist in source
> >> control. Wiki pages are stored under /wiki in your subversion
> >> repository; when you reset the repository, you deleted those wiki
> >> pages. Unfortunately, the wiki editor doesn't handle this case well at
> >> all - it throws errors.
> >> If you want, we can synchronize your wiki with the contents in
> >> subversion - just note that in your case, this will remove all of your
> >> wiki pages.
> >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Kevin <kcharw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > when trying to edit any of my wiki pages, i get the following error
> >> > Server Error
> >> > The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.
> >> > If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this
> >> > error message and the query that caused it.
> >> > The report link takes me to the main google help, where google code is
> >> > no where to be found.
My god, how can this happen?? After I found that my old wiki contents
are not editable, I tried to create a new one, then found that all my
old contents are gone!!
Such unexpected data loss should never be overlooked by
code.google.com engineers, right?? It's lucky that I happened to have
a quick backup - copy+paste to a rich editor, but later turned out
just ill-formatted text afterwards.....
Since many project owners like me, may have written wiki by hand
first, without using any SCM, later decided to turn on svn or hg, do
you expect they to see losing existing wiki at all??
Even you may put a warning, it still require extra work for project
owners to transit old wiki to new one - and is there a good way? -
Just how difficult is it to migrate old wiki to new one seamlessly and
automatically? Must there be a suffering for end users?
I'm already losing quite some trust in code.google.com. Starting to
wonder what if I happen to switch from svn to hg one day, will it lose
data too? Both code and document? Can't imagine.
Hope anyone who's in charge provide an answer to we faithful but
disappointed Google users.
On Nov 7, 5:34 am, Jacob Lee <artd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's occurring because your wiki pages no longer exist in source
> control. Wiki pages are stored under /wiki in your subversion
> repository; when you reset the repository, you deleted those wiki
> pages. Unfortunately, the wiki editor doesn't handle this case well at
> all - it throws errors.
> If you want, we can synchronize your wiki with the contents in
> subversion - just note that in your case, this will remove all of your
> wiki pages.
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Kevin <kcharw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > when trying to edit any of my wiki pages, i get the following error
> > Server Error
> > The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.
> > If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this
> > error message and the query that caused it.
> > The report link takes me to the main google help, where google code is
> > no where to be found.
When a user resets their version control, where those wiki pages were
stored, and then they were no longer available, this is the
programmed behavior. This isn't an ambiguous result.
I might point out that the reset routine says in big red letters,
*Warning:* Resetting the repository will delete everything in the repository
and its history.
Additionally, it asks you to consider mightily what you are doing. I don't
think that we can do more than we're doing while maintaining functionality
and have it change the number of people who overlook this and make a mistake
while resetting.
I have sympathy, as I've made similar mistakes, one answer might be that we
might want to add "Including any wiki content you may have made", but the
rest is pretty clear that this is a fairly dire thing to want to do.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Fu Yicong <fuyic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My god, how can this happen?? After I found that my old wiki contents
> are not editable, I tried to create a new one, then found that all my
> old contents are gone!!
> Such unexpected data loss should never be overlooked by
> code.google.com engineers, right?? It's lucky that I happened to have
> a quick backup - copy+paste to a rich editor, but later turned out
> just ill-formatted text afterwards.....
> Since many project owners like me, may have written wiki by hand
> first, without using any SCM, later decided to turn on svn or hg, do
> you expect they to see losing existing wiki at all??
> Even you may put a warning, it still require extra work for project
> owners to transit old wiki to new one - and is there a good way? -
> Just how difficult is it to migrate old wiki to new one seamlessly and
> automatically? Must there be a suffering for end users?
> I'm already losing quite some trust in code.google.com. Starting to
> wonder what if I happen to switch from svn to hg one day, will it lose
> data too? Both code and document? Can't imagine.
> Hope anyone who's in charge provide an answer to we faithful but
> disappointed Google users.
> On Nov 7, 5:34 am, Jacob Lee <artd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > That's occurring because your wiki pages no longer exist in source
> > control. Wiki pages are stored under /wiki in your subversion
> > repository; when you reset the repository, you deleted those wiki
> > pages. Unfortunately, the wiki editor doesn't handle this case well at
> > all - it throws errors.
> > If you want, we can synchronize your wiki with the contents in
> > subversion - just note that in your case, this will remove all of your
> > wiki pages.
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Kevin <kcharw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > when trying to edit any of my wiki pages, i get the following error
> > > Server Error
> > > The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.
> > > If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this
> > > error message and the query that caused it.
> > > The report link takes me to the main google help, where google code is
> > > no where to be found.
> > > What do i do?
-- Open Source Programs Manager, Google Inc.
Google's Open Source and Developer programs can be found at
http://code.google.com Personal Site and Weblog: http://dibona.com
We are definitely planning to add a note that you suggest, Chris... so
that people resetting their repositories are reminded that the wiki is
stored there too.
Also: in the case of dire mistakes and hundreds of hours of lost wiki
data, we can also restore wiki stuff from backup. It would have to be
a special case, but it's possible.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Chris DiBona <cdib...@google.com> wrote:
> When a user resets their version control, where those wiki pages were
> stored, and then they were no longer available, this is the
> programmed behavior. This isn't an ambiguous result.
> I might point out that the reset routine says in big red letters,
> Warning: Resetting the repository will delete everything in the repository
> and its history.
> Additionally, it asks you to consider mightily what you are doing. I don't
> think that we can do more than we're doing while maintaining functionality
> and have it change the number of people who overlook this and make a mistake
> while resetting.
> I have sympathy, as I've made similar mistakes, one answer might be that we
> might want to add "Including any wiki content you may have made", but the
> rest is pretty clear that this is a fairly dire thing to want to do.
> Chris
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Fu Yicong <fuyic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> My god, how can this happen?? After I found that my old wiki contents
>> are not editable, I tried to create a new one, then found that all my
>> old contents are gone!!
>> Such unexpected data loss should never be overlooked by
>> code.google.com engineers, right?? It's lucky that I happened to have
>> a quick backup - copy+paste to a rich editor, but later turned out
>> just ill-formatted text afterwards.....
>> Since many project owners like me, may have written wiki by hand
>> first, without using any SCM, later decided to turn on svn or hg, do
>> you expect they to see losing existing wiki at all??
>> Even you may put a warning, it still require extra work for project
>> owners to transit old wiki to new one - and is there a good way? -
>> Just how difficult is it to migrate old wiki to new one seamlessly and
>> automatically? Must there be a suffering for end users?
>> I'm already losing quite some trust in code.google.com. Starting to
>> wonder what if I happen to switch from svn to hg one day, will it lose
>> data too? Both code and document? Can't imagine.
>> Hope anyone who's in charge provide an answer to we faithful but
>> disappointed Google users.
>> On Nov 7, 5:34 am, Jacob Lee <artd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > That's occurring because your wiki pages no longer exist in source
>> > control. Wiki pages are stored under /wiki in your subversion
>> > repository; when you reset the repository, you deleted those wiki
>> > pages. Unfortunately, the wiki editor doesn't handle this case well at
>> > all - it throws errors.
>> > If you want, we can synchronize your wiki with the contents in
>> > subversion - just note that in your case, this will remove all of your
>> > wiki pages.
>> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Kevin <kcharw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > when trying to edit any of my wiki pages, i get the following error
>> > > Server Error
>> > > The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.
>> > > If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this
>> > > error message and the query that caused it.
>> > > The report link takes me to the main google help, where google code is
>> > > no where to be found.
>> > > What do i do?
> --
> Open Source Programs Manager, Google Inc.
> Google's Open Source and Developer programs can be found at
> http://code.google.com > Personal Site and Weblog: http://dibona.com
Thanks Chris and Ben for the reply.
If it is costly to support the seamless data migration, then it is a
MUST to prompt an explicit warning when user turns on or switches
version control. Otherwise, the switch could be comprehended as
ordinary as changing a preference item, while in fact it is not - on
the contrary, a disastrous action.
Besides, is it possible to provide a data export function? If version
control switch is inevitable, user at least should be able to download
all his/her wiki/source code to local, then upload again after version
control switch is done. (or, can you put a notice as a good practice:
"Before switching, please clone all the data from repository to local
as primary data, ....." Instructing user what to do to help migrating
his/her data is always considerate)
On Nov 10, 10:33 am, Ben Collins-Sussman <suss...@google.com> wrote:
> We are definitely planning to add a note that you suggest, Chris... so
> that people resetting their repositories are reminded that the wiki is
> stored there too.
> Also: in the case of dire mistakes and hundreds of hours of lost wiki
> data, we can also restore wiki stuff from backup. It would have to be
> a special case, but it's possible.
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Chris DiBona <cdib...@google.com> wrote:
> > When a user resets their version control, where those wiki pages were
> > stored, and then they were no longer available, this is the
> > programmed behavior. This isn't an ambiguous result.
> > I might point out that the reset routine says in big red letters,
> > Warning: Resetting the repository will delete everything in the repository
> > and its history.
> > Additionally, it asks you to consider mightily what you are doing. I don't
> > think that we can do more than we're doing while maintaining functionality
> > and have it change the number of people who overlook this and make a mistake
> > while resetting.
> > I have sympathy, as I've made similar mistakes, one answer might be that we
> > might want to add "Including any wiki content you may have made", but the
> > rest is pretty clear that this is a fairly dire thing to want to do.
> > Chris
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Fu Yicong <fuyic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> My god, how can this happen?? After I found that my old wiki contents
> >> are not editable, I tried to create a new one, then found that all my
> >> old contents are gone!!
> >> Such unexpected data loss should never be overlooked by
> >> code.google.com engineers, right?? It's lucky that I happened to have
> >> a quick backup - copy+paste to a rich editor, but later turned out
> >> just ill-formatted text afterwards.....
> >> Since many project owners like me, may have written wiki by hand
> >> first, without using any SCM, later decided to turn on svn or hg, do
> >> you expect they to see losing existing wiki at all??
> >> Even you may put a warning, it still require extra work for project
> >> owners to transit old wiki to new one - and is there a good way? -
> >> Just how difficult is it to migrate old wiki to new one seamlessly and
> >> automatically? Must there be a suffering for end users?
> >> I'm already losing quite some trust in code.google.com. Starting to
> >> wonder what if I happen to switch from svn to hg one day, will it lose
> >> data too? Both code and document? Can't imagine.
> >> Hope anyone who's in charge provide an answer to we faithful but
> >> disappointed Google users.
> >> On Nov 7, 5:34 am, Jacob Lee <artd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > That's occurring because your wiki pages no longer exist in source
> >> > control. Wiki pages are stored under /wiki in your subversion
> >> > repository; when you reset the repository, you deleted those wiki
> >> > pages. Unfortunately, the wiki editor doesn't handle this case well at
> >> > all - it throws errors.
> >> > If you want, we can synchronize your wiki with the contents in
> >> > subversion - just note that in your case, this will remove all of your
> >> > wiki pages.
> >> > --
> >> > Jacob Lee
> >> > artd...@gmail.com
> >> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Kevin <kcharw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > when trying to edit any of my wiki pages, i get the following error
> >> > > Server Error
> >> > > The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.
> >> > > If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this
> >> > > error message and the query that caused it.
> >> > > The report link takes me to the main google help, where google code is
> >> > > no where to be found.
> >> > > What do i do?
> > --
> > Open Source Programs Manager, Google Inc.
> > Google's Open Source and Developer programs can be found at
> >http://code.google.com > > Personal Site and Weblog:http://dibona.com
I think you're mixing up two separate problems here:
1. Resetting a repository deletes not only the repository contents,
but the wiki too. There's a problem in that not everybody realizes
the wiki is stored in the /wiki directory of subversion. We need to
remind people of that before they obliterate their own svn data.
2. Switching from svn to hg entails *no* risk at all. The svn
repository is still available after the switch; it's simply
read-only. Thus it's easy to still 'svnsync' the svn history (the
export function you hypothesize about) to elsewhere, or 'hg convert'
the svn repository into a new hg repository.
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Fu Yicong <fuyic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Chris and Ben for the reply.
> If it is costly to support the seamless data migration, then it is a
> MUST to prompt an explicit warning when user turns on or switches
> version control. Otherwise, the switch could be comprehended as
> ordinary as changing a preference item, while in fact it is not - on
> the contrary, a disastrous action.
> Besides, is it possible to provide a data export function? If version
> control switch is inevitable, user at least should be able to download
> all his/her wiki/source code to local, then upload again after version
> control switch is done. (or, can you put a notice as a good practice:
> "Before switching, please clone all the data from repository to local
> as primary data, ....." Instructing user what to do to help migrating
> his/her data is always considerate)
> On Nov 10, 10:33 am, Ben Collins-Sussman <suss...@google.com> wrote:
>> We are definitely planning to add a note that you suggest, Chris... so
>> that people resetting their repositories are reminded that the wiki is
>> stored there too.
>> Also: in the case of dire mistakes and hundreds of hours of lost wiki
>> data, we can also restore wiki stuff from backup. It would have to be
>> a special case, but it's possible.
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Chris DiBona <cdib...@google.com> wrote:
>> > When a user resets their version control, where those wiki pages were
>> > stored, and then they were no longer available, this is the
>> > programmed behavior. This isn't an ambiguous result.
>> > I might point out that the reset routine says in big red letters,
>> > Warning: Resetting the repository will delete everything in the repository
>> > and its history.
>> > Additionally, it asks you to consider mightily what you are doing. I don't
>> > think that we can do more than we're doing while maintaining functionality
>> > and have it change the number of people who overlook this and make a mistake
>> > while resetting.
>> > I have sympathy, as I've made similar mistakes, one answer might be that we
>> > might want to add "Including any wiki content you may have made", but the
>> > rest is pretty clear that this is a fairly dire thing to want to do.
>> > Chris
>> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Fu Yicong <fuyic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> My god, how can this happen?? After I found that my old wiki contents
>> >> are not editable, I tried to create a new one, then found that all my
>> >> old contents are gone!!
>> >> Such unexpected data loss should never be overlooked by
>> >> code.google.com engineers, right?? It's lucky that I happened to have
>> >> a quick backup - copy+paste to a rich editor, but later turned out
>> >> just ill-formatted text afterwards.....
>> >> Since many project owners like me, may have written wiki by hand
>> >> first, without using any SCM, later decided to turn on svn or hg, do
>> >> you expect they to see losing existing wiki at all??
>> >> Even you may put a warning, it still require extra work for project
>> >> owners to transit old wiki to new one - and is there a good way? -
>> >> Just how difficult is it to migrate old wiki to new one seamlessly and
>> >> automatically? Must there be a suffering for end users?
>> >> I'm already losing quite some trust in code.google.com. Starting to
>> >> wonder what if I happen to switch from svn to hg one day, will it lose
>> >> data too? Both code and document? Can't imagine.
>> >> Hope anyone who's in charge provide an answer to we faithful but
>> >> disappointed Google users.
>> >> On Nov 7, 5:34 am, Jacob Lee <artd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > That's occurring because your wiki pages no longer exist in source
>> >> > control. Wiki pages are stored under /wiki in your subversion
>> >> > repository; when you reset the repository, you deleted those wiki
>> >> > pages. Unfortunately, the wiki editor doesn't handle this case well at
>> >> > all - it throws errors.
>> >> > If you want, we can synchronize your wiki with the contents in
>> >> > subversion - just note that in your case, this will remove all of your
>> >> > wiki pages.
>> >> > --
>> >> > Jacob Lee
>> >> > artd...@gmail.com
>> >> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Kevin <kcharw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > when trying to edit any of my wiki pages, i get the following error
>> >> > > Server Error
>> >> > > The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.
>> >> > > If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this
>> >> > > error message and the query that caused it.
>> >> > > The report link takes me to the main google help, where google code is
>> >> > > no where to be found.
>> >> > > What do i do?
>> > --
>> > Open Source Programs Manager, Google Inc.
>> > Google's Open Source and Developer programs can be found at
>> >http://code.google.com >> > Personal Site and Weblog:http://dibona.com
For #2: in that case, that would be appreciated: at least my code is
not lost.
But, if code changes to read-only, why wiki cannot? At least it had
better let me copy out the wiki content which is full of markup.
On Nov 11, 11:06 am, Ben Collins-Sussman <suss...@google.com> wrote:
> I think you're mixing up two separate problems here:
> 1. Resetting a repository deletes not only the repository contents,
> but the wiki too. There's a problem in that not everybody realizes
> the wiki is stored in the /wiki directory of subversion. We need to
> remind people of that before they obliterate their own svn data.
> 2. Switching from svn to hg entails *no* risk at all. The svn
> repository is still available after the switch; it's simply
> read-only. Thus it's easy to still 'svnsync' the svn history (the
> export function you hypothesize about) to elsewhere, or 'hg convert'
> the svn repository into a new hg repository.
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Fu Yicong <fuyic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Chris and Ben for the reply.
> > If it is costly to support the seamless data migration, then it is a
> > MUST to prompt an explicit warning when user turns on or switches
> > version control. Otherwise, the switch could be comprehended as
> > ordinary as changing a preference item, while in fact it is not - on
> > the contrary, a disastrous action.
> > Besides, is it possible to provide a data export function? If version
> > control switch is inevitable, user at least should be able to download
> > all his/her wiki/source code to local, then upload again after version
> > control switch is done. (or, can you put a notice as a good practice:
> > "Before switching, please clone all the data from repository to local
> > as primary data, ....." Instructing user what to do to help migrating
> > his/her data is always considerate)
> > On Nov 10, 10:33 am, Ben Collins-Sussman <suss...@google.com> wrote:
> >> We are definitely planning to add a note that you suggest, Chris... so
> >> that people resetting their repositories are reminded that the wiki is
> >> stored there too.
> >> Also: in the case of dire mistakes and hundreds of hours of lost wiki
> >> data, we can also restore wiki stuff from backup. It would have to be
> >> a special case, but it's possible.
> >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Chris DiBona <cdib...@google.com> wrote:
> >> > When a user resets their version control, where those wiki pages were
> >> > stored, and then they were no longer available, this is the
> >> > programmed behavior. This isn't an ambiguous result.
> >> > I might point out that the reset routine says in big red letters,
> >> > Warning: Resetting the repository will delete everything in the repository
> >> > and its history.
> >> > Additionally, it asks you to consider mightily what you are doing. I don't
> >> > think that we can do more than we're doing while maintaining functionality
> >> > and have it change the number of people who overlook this and make a mistake
> >> > while resetting.
> >> > I have sympathy, as I've made similar mistakes, one answer might be that we
> >> > might want to add "Including any wiki content you may have made", but the
> >> > rest is pretty clear that this is a fairly dire thing to want to do.
> >> > Chris
> >> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Fu Yicong <fuyic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> My god, how can this happen?? After I found that my old wiki contents
> >> >> are not editable, I tried to create a new one, then found that all my
> >> >> old contents are gone!!
> >> >> Such unexpected data loss should never be overlooked by
> >> >> code.google.com engineers, right?? It's lucky that I happened to have
> >> >> a quick backup - copy+paste to a rich editor, but later turned out
> >> >> just ill-formatted text afterwards.....
> >> >> Since many project owners like me, may have written wiki by hand
> >> >> first, without using any SCM, later decided to turn on svn or hg, do
> >> >> you expect they to see losing existing wiki at all??
> >> >> Even you may put a warning, it still require extra work for project
> >> >> owners to transit old wiki to new one - and is there a good way? -
> >> >> Just how difficult is it to migrate old wiki to new one seamlessly and
> >> >> automatically? Must there be a suffering for end users?
> >> >> I'm already losing quite some trust in code.google.com. Starting to
> >> >> wonder what if I happen to switch from svn to hg one day, will it lose
> >> >> data too? Both code and document? Can't imagine.
> >> >> Hope anyone who's in charge provide an answer to we faithful but
> >> >> disappointed Google users.
> >> >> On Nov 7, 5:34 am, Jacob Lee <artd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > That's occurring because your wiki pages no longer exist in source
> >> >> > control. Wiki pages are stored under /wiki in your subversion
> >> >> > repository; when you reset the repository, you deleted those wiki
> >> >> > pages. Unfortunately, the wiki editor doesn't handle this case well at
> >> >> > all - it throws errors.
> >> >> > If you want, we can synchronize your wiki with the contents in
> >> >> > subversion - just note that in your case, this will remove all of your
> >> >> > wiki pages.
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Jacob Lee
> >> >> > artd...@gmail.com
> >> >> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Kevin <kcharw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > when trying to edit any of my wiki pages, i get the following error
> >> >> > > Server Error
> >> >> > > The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.
> >> >> > > If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this
> >> >> > > error message and the query that caused it.
> >> >> > > The report link takes me to the main google help, where google code is
> >> >> > > no where to be found.
> >> >> > > What do i do?
> >> > --
> >> > Open Source Programs Manager, Google Inc.
> >> > Google's Open Source and Developer programs can be found at
> >> >http://code.google.com > >> > Personal Site and Weblog:http://dibona.com
If you switch your project from svn to hg, then the svn repository
(which contains code AND wiki pages) is still available and read-only.
No data is lost. The code and wiki pages can still be checked-out.
If you 'reset' your svn repository, then all of the code and wiki
pages are deleted together: it's all one repository, and it's all
destroyed.
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:03 AM, Fu Yicong <fuyic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For #2: in that case, that would be appreciated: at least my code is
> not lost.
> But, if code changes to read-only, why wiki cannot? At least it had
> better let me copy out the wiki content which is full of markup.
> On Nov 11, 11:06 am, Ben Collins-Sussman <suss...@google.com> wrote:
>> I think you're mixing up two separate problems here:
>> 1. Resetting a repository deletes not only the repository contents,
>> but the wiki too. There's a problem in that not everybody realizes
>> the wiki is stored in the /wiki directory of subversion. We need to
>> remind people of that before they obliterate their own svn data.
>> 2. Switching from svn to hg entails *no* risk at all. The svn
>> repository is still available after the switch; it's simply
>> read-only. Thus it's easy to still 'svnsync' the svn history (the
>> export function you hypothesize about) to elsewhere, or 'hg convert'
>> the svn repository into a new hg repository.
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Fu Yicong <fuyic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Thanks Chris and Ben for the reply.
>> > If it is costly to support the seamless data migration, then it is a
>> > MUST to prompt an explicit warning when user turns on or switches
>> > version control. Otherwise, the switch could be comprehended as
>> > ordinary as changing a preference item, while in fact it is not - on
>> > the contrary, a disastrous action.
>> > Besides, is it possible to provide a data export function? If version
>> > control switch is inevitable, user at least should be able to download
>> > all his/her wiki/source code to local, then upload again after version
>> > control switch is done. (or, can you put a notice as a good practice:
>> > "Before switching, please clone all the data from repository to local
>> > as primary data, ....." Instructing user what to do to help migrating
>> > his/her data is always considerate)
>> > On Nov 10, 10:33 am, Ben Collins-Sussman <suss...@google.com> wrote:
>> >> We are definitely planning to add a note that you suggest, Chris... so
>> >> that people resetting their repositories are reminded that the wiki is
>> >> stored there too.
>> >> Also: in the case of dire mistakes and hundreds of hours of lost wiki
>> >> data, we can also restore wiki stuff from backup. It would have to be
>> >> a special case, but it's possible.
>> >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Chris DiBona <cdib...@google.com> wrote:
>> >> > When a user resets their version control, where those wiki pages were
>> >> > stored, and then they were no longer available, this is the
>> >> > programmed behavior. This isn't an ambiguous result.
>> >> > I might point out that the reset routine says in big red letters,
>> >> > Warning: Resetting the repository will delete everything in the repository
>> >> > and its history.
>> >> > Additionally, it asks you to consider mightily what you are doing. I don't
>> >> > think that we can do more than we're doing while maintaining functionality
>> >> > and have it change the number of people who overlook this and make a mistake
>> >> > while resetting.
>> >> > I have sympathy, as I've made similar mistakes, one answer might be that we
>> >> > might want to add "Including any wiki content you may have made", but the
>> >> > rest is pretty clear that this is a fairly dire thing to want to do.
>> >> > Chris
>> >> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Fu Yicong <fuyic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> My god, how can this happen?? After I found that my old wiki contents
>> >> >> are not editable, I tried to create a new one, then found that all my
>> >> >> old contents are gone!!
>> >> >> Such unexpected data loss should never be overlooked by
>> >> >> code.google.com engineers, right?? It's lucky that I happened to have
>> >> >> a quick backup - copy+paste to a rich editor, but later turned out
>> >> >> just ill-formatted text afterwards.....
>> >> >> Since many project owners like me, may have written wiki by hand
>> >> >> first, without using any SCM, later decided to turn on svn or hg, do
>> >> >> you expect they to see losing existing wiki at all??
>> >> >> Even you may put a warning, it still require extra work for project
>> >> >> owners to transit old wiki to new one - and is there a good way? -
>> >> >> Just how difficult is it to migrate old wiki to new one seamlessly and
>> >> >> automatically? Must there be a suffering for end users?
>> >> >> I'm already losing quite some trust in code.google.com. Starting to
>> >> >> wonder what if I happen to switch from svn to hg one day, will it lose
>> >> >> data too? Both code and document? Can't imagine.
>> >> >> Hope anyone who's in charge provide an answer to we faithful but
>> >> >> disappointed Google users.
>> >> >> On Nov 7, 5:34 am, Jacob Lee <artd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > That's occurring because your wiki pages no longer exist in source
>> >> >> > control. Wiki pages are stored under /wiki in your subversion
>> >> >> > repository; when you reset the repository, you deleted those wiki
>> >> >> > pages. Unfortunately, the wiki editor doesn't handle this case well at
>> >> >> > all - it throws errors.
>> >> >> > If you want, we can synchronize your wiki with the contents in
>> >> >> > subversion - just note that in your case, this will remove all of your
>> >> >> > wiki pages.
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Jacob Lee
>> >> >> > artd...@gmail.com
>> >> >> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Kevin <kcharw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > > when trying to edit any of my wiki pages, i get the following error
>> >> >> > > Server Error
>> >> >> > > The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.
>> >> >> > > If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this
>> >> >> > > error message and the query that caused it.
>> >> >> > > The report link takes me to the main google help, where google code is
>> >> >> > > no where to be found.
>> >> >> > > What do i do?
>> >> > --
>> >> > Open Source Programs Manager, Google Inc.
>> >> > Google's Open Source and Developer programs can be found at
>> >> >http://code.google.com >> >> > Personal Site and Weblog:http://dibona.com
This is fine.
My confusion is from this: I didn't enable svn or hg in the very
beginning, and started writing wiki... after a while, I enabled svn,
then found my wiki cannot be edited - and after tried to add a new
wiki item, old wiki is gone.
That's what I'm upset about.
On Nov 11, 11:54 pm, Ben Collins-Sussman <suss...@google.com> wrote:
> If you switch your project from svn to hg, then the svn repository
> (which contains code AND wiki pages) is still available and read-only.
> No data is lost. The code and wiki pages can still be checked-out.
> If you 'reset' your svn repository, then all of the code and wiki
> pages are deleted together: it's all one repository, and it's all
> destroyed.
> Does this make sense?
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:03 AM, Fu Yicong <fuyic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > For #2: in that case, that would be appreciated: at least my code is
> > not lost.
> > But, if code changes to read-only, why wiki cannot? At least it had
> > better let me copy out the wiki content which is full of markup.
> > On Nov 11, 11:06 am, Ben Collins-Sussman <suss...@google.com> wrote:
> >> I think you're mixing up two separate problems here:
> >> 1. Resetting a repository deletes not only the repository contents,
> >> but the wiki too. There's a problem in that not everybody realizes
> >> the wiki is stored in the /wiki directory of subversion. We need to
> >> remind people of that before they obliterate their own svn data.
> >> 2. Switching from svn to hg entails *no* risk at all. The svn
> >> repository is still available after the switch; it's simply
> >> read-only. Thus it's easy to still 'svnsync' the svn history (the
> >> export function you hypothesize about) to elsewhere, or 'hg convert'
> >> the svn repository into a new hg repository.
> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Fu Yicong <fuyic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Thanks Chris and Ben for the reply.
> >> > If it is costly to support the seamless data migration, then it is a
> >> > MUST to prompt an explicit warning when user turns on or switches
> >> > version control. Otherwise, the switch could be comprehended as
> >> > ordinary as changing a preference item, while in fact it is not - on
> >> > the contrary, a disastrous action.
> >> > Besides, is it possible to provide a data export function? If version
> >> > control switch is inevitable, user at least should be able to download
> >> > all his/her wiki/source code to local, then upload again after version
> >> > control switch is done. (or, can you put a notice as a good practice:
> >> > "Before switching, please clone all the data from repository to local
> >> > as primary data, ....." Instructing user what to do to help migrating
> >> > his/her data is always considerate)
> >> > On Nov 10, 10:33 am, Ben Collins-Sussman <suss...@google.com> wrote:
> >> >> We are definitely planning to add a note that you suggest, Chris... so
> >> >> that people resetting their repositories are reminded that the wiki is
> >> >> stored there too.
> >> >> Also: in the case of dire mistakes and hundreds of hours of lost wiki
> >> >> data, we can also restore wiki stuff from backup. It would have to be
> >> >> a special case, but it's possible.
> >> >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Chris DiBona <cdib...@google.com> wrote:
> >> >> > When a user resets their version control, where those wiki pages were
> >> >> > stored, and then they were no longer available, this is the
> >> >> > programmed behavior. This isn't an ambiguous result.
> >> >> > I might point out that the reset routine says in big red letters,
> >> >> > Warning: Resetting the repository will delete everything in the repository
> >> >> > and its history.
> >> >> > Additionally, it asks you to consider mightily what you are doing. I don't
> >> >> > think that we can do more than we're doing while maintaining functionality
> >> >> > and have it change the number of people who overlook this and make a mistake
> >> >> > while resetting.
> >> >> > I have sympathy, as I've made similar mistakes, one answer might be that we
> >> >> > might want to add "Including any wiki content you may have made", but the
> >> >> > rest is pretty clear that this is a fairly dire thing to want to do.
> >> >> > Chris
> >> >> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Fu Yicong <fuyic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> My god, how can this happen?? After I found that my old wiki contents
> >> >> >> are not editable, I tried to create a new one, then found that all my
> >> >> >> old contents are gone!!
> >> >> >> Such unexpected data loss should never be overlooked by
> >> >> >> code.google.com engineers, right?? It's lucky that I happened to have
> >> >> >> a quick backup - copy+paste to a rich editor, but later turned out
> >> >> >> just ill-formatted text afterwards.....
> >> >> >> Since many project owners like me, may have written wiki by hand
> >> >> >> first, without using any SCM, later decided to turn on svn or hg, do
> >> >> >> you expect they to see losing existing wiki at all??
> >> >> >> Even you may put a warning, it still require extra work for project
> >> >> >> owners to transit old wiki to new one - and is there a good way? -
> >> >> >> Just how difficult is it to migrate old wiki to new one seamlessly and
> >> >> >> automatically? Must there be a suffering for end users?
> >> >> >> I'm already losing quite some trust in code.google.com. Starting to
> >> >> >> wonder what if I happen to switch from svn to hg one day, will it lose
> >> >> >> data too? Both code and document? Can't imagine.
> >> >> >> Hope anyone who's in charge provide an answer to we faithful but
> >> >> >> disappointed Google users.
> >> >> >> On Nov 7, 5:34 am, Jacob Lee <artd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > That's occurring because your wiki pages no longer exist in source
> >> >> >> > control. Wiki pages are stored under /wiki in your subversion
> >> >> >> > repository; when you reset the repository, you deleted those wiki
> >> >> >> > pages. Unfortunately, the wiki editor doesn't handle this case well at
> >> >> >> > all - it throws errors.
> >> >> >> > If you want, we can synchronize your wiki with the contents in
> >> >> >> > subversion - just note that in your case, this will remove all of your
> >> >> >> > wiki pages.
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > Jacob Lee
> >> >> >> > artd...@gmail.com
> >> >> >> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Kevin <kcharw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > > when trying to edit any of my wiki pages, i get the following error
> >> >> >> > > Server Error
> >> >> >> > > The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.
> >> >> >> > > If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this
> >> >> >> > > error message and the query that caused it.
> >> >> >> > > The report link takes me to the main google help, where google code is
> >> >> >> > > no where to be found.
> >> >> >> > > What do i do?
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Open Source Programs Manager, Google Inc.
> >> >> > Google's Open Source and Developer programs can be found at
> >> >> >http://code.google.com > >> >> > Personal Site and Weblog:http://dibona.com
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Fu Yicong <fuyic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I didn't enable svn or hg in the very beginning
This is not possible. When you first create a project, you are forced
to choose svn or hg. My guess is that you probably chose svn, and
thus your wiki pages lived in the /wiki directory of your svn
repository.
> after a while, I enabled svn,
What do you mean by 'enabled svn'? Do you mean you pushed the button
to 'reset the repository'? If so, that destroys all the contents of
the repository. That's why your wiki pages disappeared.
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