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Ben  
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 More options Aug 21 2006, 5:41 am
From: "Ben" <benjamin.pas...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:41:56 -0700
Local: Mon, Aug 21 2006 5:41 am
Subject: Allow the Eclipse Public License for Projects
Hi,

I would like to register my project with Google Code. It is licensed
under the Eclipse Public License
(http://www.opensource.org/licenses/eclipse-1.0.php). Please allow for
new projects to select this license.

Thanks,
Ben


 
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Arash Partow  
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 More options Aug 21 2006, 5:57 am
From: "Arash Partow" <par...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:57:42 -0700
Local: Mon, Aug 21 2006 5:57 am
Subject: Re: Allow the Eclipse Public License for Projects
It should actually be the Common Public License

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Ben  
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 More options Aug 21 2006, 10:58 am
From: "Ben" <benjamin.pas...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:58:38 -0700
Local: Mon, Aug 21 2006 10:58 am
Subject: Re: Allow the Eclipse Public License for Projects
Yes. I would recommend allowing both. The EPL and CPL do not differ
very much.

Ben


 
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Ben  
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 More options Aug 21 2006, 11:06 am
From: "Ben" <benjamin.pas...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:06:01 -0700
Local: Mon, Aug 21 2006 11:06 am
Subject: Re: Allow the Eclipse Public License for Projects
As a reason for this request, consider that most Eclipse-based
opensource projects (either using Eclipse IDE, Eclipse RCP, JFace or
SWT, Eclipse Plugins) are licensed under the EPL.

Ben


 
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Ed Burnette  
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 More options Aug 25 2006, 10:14 pm
From: "Ed Burnette" <ed.burne...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:14:52 -0000
Local: Fri, Aug 25 2006 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: Allow the Eclipse Public License for Projects
Well, if you have to pick one then it should be EPL. EPL is intended as
a replacement for CPL. The main difference is some better wording in
the patent termination clause.

--Ed
Author, "Google Web Toolkit",
http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/ebgwt/


 
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Ben  
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 More options Aug 28 2006, 3:36 pm
From: "Ben" <benjamin.pas...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:36:13 -0700
Local: Mon, Aug 28 2006 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: Allow the Eclipse Public License for Projects
*ping*


 
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Greg Stein  
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 More options Aug 28 2006, 5:24 pm
From: "Greg Stein" <gst...@google.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:24:58 -0000
Local: Mon, Aug 28 2006 5:24 pm
Subject: Re: Allow the Eclipse Public License for Projects
Agreed. We would use the EPL if any of them. However, at this time, the
Eclipse Public License has not really been adopted by the wider open
source community. It is mostly being used just by one smallish corner:
projects based on or around Eclipse.

As licenses are adopted outside of their original niche, we may add
them to the list of allowable licenses.

We felt that the Mozilla Public License (1.1) was an acceptable license
with qualities similar to the EPL. Specifically, a non-viral reciprocal
license: if you make changes, then you must distribute those changes
(in source form).


 
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woodcraftmill@gmail.com  
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 More options Aug 28 2006, 9:41 pm
From: "woodcraftm...@gmail.com" <woodcraftm...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:41:09 -0700
Local: Mon, Aug 28 2006 9:41 pm
Subject: Re: Allow the Eclipse Public License for Projects
The EPL may be a small corner of open-source licenses, but it is
mainstream to the Eclipse plug-in development camp!

I have authored and open-sourced an Eclipse plug-in that I find quite
useful in my line of work, and would like it to be of use to as wide an
audience as possible.  It is currently hosted on SourceForge, and
licensed under the EPL.  This licensing ensures that my plug-in can be
deployed everywhere Eclipse can.  Using the MPL would force the end
users of my plug-in to comply with 2 licenses instead of 1.  That's a
major hindrance to adoption.  On a grander scale, I believe it's a
major hindrance to open-source proliferation.

I understand you're going for simplicity and usability.  You guys have
done an incredible job.  The SourceForge interface is a train wreck by
comparison!

But licensing is a critical component of the open-source model, one
that I'm not willing to give up.  I would love to switch to Google Code
Hosting, but not at the expense of my user base.

I hope you'll reconsider this decision.  There are lots of licenses out
there, and lots of good reasons to choose each one.  Why not at least
expand the selection to the OSI-approved licenses?


 
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Ed Burnette  
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 More options Aug 29 2006, 9:18 am
From: "Ed Burnette" <ed.burne...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:18:03 -0000
Local: Tues, Aug 29 2006 9:18 am
Subject: Re: Allow the Eclipse Public License for Projects
Personally I like Google's approach of only encouraging a few licenses.
It's a bold move -- we have too many licenses! I just wish they'd allow
my favorite one. :) And I'm not sure why both BSD and MIT are in the
short list since they're almost the same. But anyway...

Greg & co., have you thought about allowing an "Other" license? There
is some code that just *has* to be released under a license not
supported explicitly by Google Code. For example, look at
http://code.google.com/p/gwt-tooling/ . The original code this was
forked from was EPL so it has to remain EPL. Also if this project ever
wants to be an eclipse.org project, it would have to be EPL. Since EPL
isn't currently a choice, the author could either not host on Google
Code or do what they've done here - pick the closest license and
clarify in the comments what the real license is. Do you have a better
solution in mind for projects like this?

Here's an even more ambitious idea for Google - work with the free/open
source community to define the equivalent of Creative Commons for
software. Have some options that can be tweaked, like share-alike,
attribution, etc... But make all the licenses explicitly compatible
with one another by default. Replace MIT, BSD, GNU, ASF, MPL, EPL,
CDDL, etc.. with something componetized and logical. Negotiate with
Apache, FSF, and others to get them to say they're compatible with this
"commons software" license suite. End the 50-license nightmare! One
license to rule them all
(http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t20776.html). Just a
thought...


 
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Ben  
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 More options Aug 29 2006, 11:18 am
From: "Ben" <benjamin.pas...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:18:32 -0700
Local: Tues, Aug 29 2006 11:18 am
Subject: Re: Allow the Eclipse Public License for Projects
+1 for the Other solution (if any)

 
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Mustafa K. Isik  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 8:16 am
From: "Mustafa K. Isik" <codesurg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:16:33 -0000
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 8:16 am
Subject: Re: Allow the Eclipse Public License for Projects
Hi,
I just participated in the Google Summer of Code '06 and developed a
collaborative editor for the Eclipse Communication Framework dubbed
Cola. My sourcecode is currently version controlled via CVS at the
Oregon State University Open Source Lab.

Being more of a subversion fanboy, I thought about moving my code to
the Google Code Hosting Service. As has already been stated in this
group, the available licenses for new projects do not comply with the
redistribution of sourcecode section of the Eclipse Public License
(EPL), under which my code and other code my contributions rely on,
have initially been released under.

I have read the code hosting FAQ and the section explaining your
motivation to provide a limited set of open source licenses. Even
though I am sympathetic to your opinion on the matter of "license
flooding", I'd like to either see the EPL included (to solve this
prevailing and very much Eclipse developer related issue) or some
further reaching changes to the licensing options. The limitation to
your current set of licenses does not even permit for all of the
participating Summer of Code projects to be version controlled via your
service.

Don't get me wrong, this is supposed to be constructive criticism, I
very much like your services and would like to see my project version
controlled via Google Code Hosting and utilize your issue tracker etc.

Thanks.


 
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