Received: by 10.68.74.201 with SMTP id w9mr22329595pbv.0.1329927303714; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:15:03 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: google-cap-community@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.216.162 with SMTP id or2ls2323475pbc.8.gmail; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.136.40 with SMTP id px8mr22309105pbb.1.1329927303424; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.136.40 with SMTP id px8mr22309104pbb.1.1329927303416; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:15:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mail-pz0-f46.google.com (mail-pz0-f46.google.com [209.85.210.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7si35510777pbq.0.2012.02.22.08.15.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of artbotter...@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.46; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of artbotter...@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=artbotter...@gmail.com; dkim=pass header...@gmail.com Received: by daed14 with SMTP id d14so245968dae.33 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of artbotter...@gmail.com designates 10.68.131.98 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.131.98; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.68.131.98]) by 10.68.131.98 with SMTP id ol2mr82590510pbb.138.1329927303383 (num_hops = 1); Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:15:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=EhkE8Uvn2dxZgOmqr+tbV1DVwCaYvHLHMs4QtTHvH/M=; b=UdytqeSgvbRJFKVOo0qMNnkUISyNFw1oi/vezzcJmkc6u5uKr+Ete8XBkegLPAkE0T 1q02ph4CgZ9HB0JjdPuRIB47f7fR+ZpIHreeULekihZoze1zyXSGXAYATeSpWfhMhLEc +qhoEa5zHdDFBUgdKJkeM4PXt1xHI75daQYKE= Received: by 10.68.131.98 with SMTP id ol2mr68471564pbb.138.1329927303314; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:15:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [10.0.1.37] (99-182-125-96.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [99.182.125.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x3sm1712511pbn.5.2012.02.22.08.15.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:15:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: Art Botterell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: [g-cap-comm] Re: Patent Implications for CAP From: Art Botterell In-Reply-To: <23267642.3849.1329917420248.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vblb5> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:14:59 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <45A561A3-1730-4E0D-AE9E-40A2DBB2C...@incident.com> References: <20712828.7495.1329826769529.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbkl3> <23267642.3849.1329917420248.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vblb5> To: google-cap-community@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Most of these various patents really address particular ways that alerts = (CAP or otherwise) might be disseminated... I haven't seen one yet that = impinges on the CAP standard per-se. Indeed the very existence of CAP = might constitute prior art to a number of them... assuming a challenger = saw enough profit potential to justify the lawyer's fees. In any event it's an open secret, I think, that the patent process has = run amok and is having a crushing effect on innovation, especially by = small businesses. And I fear the recent patent "reform" legislation in = the U.S., with its switch from first-to-invent to first-to-file, will = only accelerate the rush to file on everything imaginable, further = overloading the Patent Office's already dubious capacity to evaluate the = actual merit of applications. The net effect, I fear, might be called the "Innovators Double-Bind": = Only large corporations will be able to accept the risk of defending = against random patent challenges, but their relatively high internal = costs will mean that only the most profitable opportunities are pursued. = Thus many innovations will become like the so-called "orphan drugs"... = valuable and even life-saving tools that aren't profitable enough for = large companies to bother, but with high enough barriers to market entry = that small "disruptive" ventures can't afford to fill the gap. Not meaning to draw us off topic here, but only to point out that this = is simply one instance of a very broad problem with very broad = implications. ("When innovation is outlawed only outlaws will = innovate.") It's in no way limited to the domain of alert and warning. - Art On Feb 22, 2012, at 5:30 AM, Farrel Lifson wrote: > As a follow up here is another patent - = http://www.google.com/patents/US6816878 - which covers much of the = functionality of a CAP based system. >=20 > Regards, > Farrel