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Zembower, Kevin  
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 More options Aug 24 2006, 10:41 am
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From: "Zembower, Kevin" <kzemb...@jhuccp.org>
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:41:45 -0400
Local: Thurs, Aug 24 2006 10:41 am
Subject: Proper list for 'at' command questions?
Can anyone suggest the proper mail list to ask questions regarding the
'at' batch commands? 'at' is such a short, common word that I'm having a
hard time searching to find the proper group to ask a user-type
question.

Thanks for your help and advice.

-Kevin

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Karl Berry  
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 More options Aug 24 2006, 6:03 pm
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From: k...@freefriends.org (Karl Berry)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:03:26 -0500
Local: Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:03 pm
Subject: Re: Proper list for 'at' command questions?
    Can anyone suggest the proper mail list to ask questions regarding the
    'at' batch commands?

I am not sure if there is any GNU version of `at' yet.  You should be
able to use whatever package commands your system uses to discover what
package it belongs to, and then the package information should tell
where it came from.  For instance, on my Red Hat system, rpm -qli
gives a bunch of information about it.  (It seems RH itself might have
written it; not sure.)

HTH,
karl


 
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Zembower, Kevin  
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 More options Aug 25 2006, 2:55 pm
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From: "Zembower, Kevin" <kzemb...@jhuccp.org>
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:55:52 -0400
Local: Fri, Aug 25 2006 2:55 pm
Subject: RE: Proper list for 'at' command questions?
Karl, thanks for your suggestion. On my Debian system, 'at' seems to be
its own package:
amanda@cn2:~$ aptitude show at
Package: at
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
Version: 3.1.8-11
Priority: important
Section: admin
Maintainer: Ryan Murray <rmur...@debian.org>
Uncompressed Size: 209k
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), mail-transport-agent
Description: Delayed job execution and batch processing
 At and batch read shell commands from standard input storing them as a
job to be scheduled for execution in the future.

 Use
 at    to run the job at a specified time
 batch to run the job when system load levels permit

amanda@cn2:~$

I guess my next step is to write to the package maintainer or author,
even though I try to avoid writing to an individual to ask questions
like this.

Thanks, again, for your help and advice.

-Kevin


 
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s. keeling  
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 More options Aug 27 2006, 7:54 pm
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From: "s. keeling" <keel...@spots.ab.ca>
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 23:54:35 GMT
Local: Sun, Aug 27 2006 7:54 pm
Subject: Re: Proper list for 'at' command questions?
Karl Berry <k...@freefriends.org>:

>      Can anyone suggest the proper mail list to ask questions regarding the
>      'at' batch commands?

>  I am not sure if there is any GNU version of `at' yet.  You should

I'm not actually arguing your points.  I'm merely supplying additional
info.  HTH.  This is Debian stable/Sarge:

(0) heretic /home/keeling_ cd /usr/share/doc/at
(0) heretic /usr/share/doc/at_ less copyright

       --------------------------------------
This package was debianized by its author Thomas Koenig
<i...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, taken over and re-packaged first by Martin
Schulze <j...@debian.org> and then by Siggy Brentrup <b...@winnegan.de>,
and then taken over by Ryan Murray <rmur...@debian.org>.

This may be considered the experimental upstream source, and since there
doesn't seem to be any other upstream source, the only upstream source.

   Copyright: 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997 (c) Thomas Koenig
              1993 (c) David Parsons

   This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
   it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
   the Free Software Foundation; version 2 dated June, 1991.

(etc.).
       --------------------------------------

So, it's Gnu.

>  able to use whatever package commands your system uses to discover what
>  package it belongs to, and then the package information should tell
>  where it came from.  For instance, on my Red Hat system, rpm -qli
>  gives a bunch of information about it.  (It seems RH itself might have
>  written it; not sure.)

On Debian-ish systems:

(0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude show at

       --------------------------------------
Package: at
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
Version: 3.1.8-11
Priority: important
Section: admin
Maintainer: Ryan Murray <rmur...@debian.org>
Uncompressed Size: 209k
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), mail-transport-agent
Description: Delayed job execution and batch processing
 At and batch read shell commands from standard input storing them as a job to be
 scheduled for execution in the future.

 Use
 at    to run the job at a specified time
 batch to run the job when system load levels permit
       --------------------------------------

And for the OP:

    xman -notopbox -bothshown &

results in a point and click interface to the manpages.  Enjoy.  :-)

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Karl Berry  
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 More options Aug 27 2006, 8:47 pm
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From: k...@freefriends.org (Karl Berry)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 19:47:42 -0500
Local: Sun, Aug 27 2006 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: Proper list for 'at' command questions?
    This may be considered the experimental upstream source, and since there
    doesn't seem to be any other upstream source, the only upstream source.

Meaning, the Debian package is the "upstream" source?
And Ryan Murray is the current maintainer?

       it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
       the Free Software Foundation; version 2 dated June, 1991.

    (etc.).
           --------------------------------------

    So, it's Gnu.

By "GNU", I meant a package officially dubbed as part of the GNU system.
Of course there is a lot of software released under the GPL which are
not GNU packages, and I believe this is one of them.

In any case, thanks for the specific info, I am glad to know :).

Best,
karl


 
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s. keeling  
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 More options Sep 4 2006, 10:19 pm
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From: "s. keeling" <keel...@spots.ab.ca>
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 02:19:02 GMT
Local: Mon, Sep 4 2006 10:19 pm
Subject: Re: Proper list for 'at' command questions?
Karl Berry <k...@freefriends.org>:

> keel...@spots.ab.ca:
> >      So, it's Gnu.

>  By "GNU", I meant a package officially dubbed as part of the GNU system.
>  Of course there is a lot of software released under the GPL which are
>  not GNU packages, and I believe this is one of them.

Sorry for the confusion.  Anything licenced under the GPL (for me) is
Gnu.  "at" is GPL licenced software (as far as I can tell).

btw, I think "officially dubbed as part of the GNU system" is a red
herring.  Whether it's GPL is what counts (released under the
conditions of the Gnu Public Licence).  HTH.

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Paul Jarc  
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 More options Sep 4 2006, 11:28 pm
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From: p...@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 23:28:45 -0400
Local: Mon, Sep 4 2006 11:28 pm
Subject: Re: Proper list for 'at' command questions?

"s. keeling" <keel...@spots.ab.ca> wrote:
> Anything licenced under the GPL (for me) is Gnu.

If the license is what matters to you, then you can talk generally
about "GPL software" without the confusion that would result from
saying "GNU software", when that's not really what you mean.

> btw, I think "officially dubbed as part of the GNU system" is a red
> herring.  Whether it's GPL is what counts (released under the
> conditions of the Gnu Public Licence).  HTH.

For some purposes, that's true.  For others - such as finding the
proper list for questions :) - the license is more or less
irrelevant.  Since anyone can apply the GPL to their own work, knowing
that a program is under the GPL doesn't tell you anything about who
maintains it.

paul


 
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