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I'm shocked by Amici's citation of Nimmer on Copyright talking about "appropriate contractual provisions" and "appropriate contract construction"... What!? I thought that licenses are not contracts in "free as in free speech" world.
LOL.
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> I'm shocked by Amici's citation of Nimmer on Copyright talking about > "appropriate contractual provisions" and "appropriate contract > construction"... What!? I thought that licenses are not contracts in > "free as in free speech" world.
It seems to me that an appropriate punishment for presenting such nonsense from both sides should be that both attorneys are barred from ever litigating in court again. Clearly neither knew how to present a case.
The amicus brief file by Moglen and his minions framed the issue pretty squarely:
"The District Court's decision that the asserted violations of the Artistic License at issue in this case sound in contract, not copyright, was erroneous. If the decision were applied broadly, it could disrupt the settled expectations of literally millions of copyright holders who have depended upon the copyright system to secure the right to enforce public licenses....
....Traditional copyright licenses grant exclusive rights in exchange for money or other remuneration. Public licensors leverage the exclusive rights that copyright confers for public good, for example to secure freedom to derivative authors and users, or to enhance innovation. The conditions and limitations in public licenses are designed to increase the freedom of downstream authors and users without imposing the typical copyright clearance burdens. One common condition of public licenses is a requirement that prior to any distribution of the work (or a derivative version of the work), copyright notices and license provisions included in the original version must be copied and included in the distribution."
This seems like a plan to go "all in" as in the popular Hold-em poker game. It is an opportunity for the circuit court to put this nonsense out of its misery once and for all.
>> I'm shocked by Amici's citation of Nimmer on Copyright talking about >> "appropriate contractual provisions" and "appropriate contract >> construction"... What!? I thought that licenses are not contracts in "free >> as in free speech" world.
> It seems to me that an appropriate punishment for presenting such nonsense > from both sides should be that both attorneys are barred from ever litigating > in court again. Clearly neither knew how to present a case.
> The amicus brief file by Moglen and his minions framed the issue pretty > squarely:
> "The District Court's decision that the asserted violations of the Artistic > License at issue in this case sound in contract, not copyright, was > erroneous. If the decision were applied broadly, it could disrupt the settled > expectations of literally millions of copyright holders who have depended > upon the copyright system to secure the right to enforce public licenses....
Eben Moglen is asking the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit to overturn the clear and unequivocal language of the Supreme Court in De Forest Radio Tel. & Tel. Co. v. United States, 273 U.S. 236, United States Supreme Court (1927):
"Whether this [act] constitutes a gratuitous license, or one for a reasonable compensation, must, of course, depend upon the circumstances; but the relation between the parties thereafter in respect of any suit brought must be held to be contractual, and not an unlawful invasion of the rights of the owner."
The same Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit held in Storage Technology Corporation v.Custom Hardware Engineering & Consulting, Inc.; 421 F.3d 1307 (CAFC) (2005):
"In light of their facts, those cases thus stand for the entirely unremarkable principle that “uses” that violate a license agreement constitute copyright infringement only when those uses would infringe in the absence of any license agreement at all."
In the absence of any license at all, there is obviously no "right of attribution" mentioned in 17 USC 106.
> ....Traditional copyright licenses grant exclusive rights in exchange for > money or other remuneration. Public licensors leverage the exclusive rights > that copyright confers for public good, for example to secure freedom to > derivative authors and users, or to enhance innovation. The conditions and > limitations in public licenses are designed to increase the freedom of > downstream authors and users without imposing the typical copyright clearance > burdens. One common condition of public licenses is a requirement that prior > to any distribution of the work (or a derivative version of the work), > copyright notices and license provisions included in the original version > must be copied and included in the distribution."
> This seems like a plan to go "all in" as in the popular Hold-em poker game. > It is an opportunity for the circuit court to put this nonsense out of its > misery once and for all.
Clearly Moglen does not want to suffer with the "typical copyright clearance burdens" of the Copyright Act and instead wants to substitute Richard Stallman's idealogical version of copyright "freedoms". This leads one to ask if Moglen has has ever wondered why Congress passed 17 USC sec. 301:
"Preemption with respect to other laws. (a) On and after January 1, 1978, all legal or equitable rights that are equivalent to any of the exclusive rights within the general scope of copyright as specified by section 106 in works of authorship that are fixed in a tangible medium of expression and come within the subject matter of copyright as specified by sections 102 and 103, whether created before or after that date and whether published or unpublished, are governed exclusively by this title. Thereafter, no person is entitled to any such right or equivalent right in any such work under the common law or statutes of any State."
Obviously Congress thinks that its members, and not Richard Stallman, are empowered to write the copyright laws that apply to the general public.
Sincerely, Rjack :}
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> > I'm shocked by Amici's citation of Nimmer on Copyright talking about > > "appropriate contractual provisions" and "appropriate contract > > construction"... What!? I thought that licenses are not contracts in > > "free as in free speech" world.
> It seems to me that an appropriate punishment for presenting such nonsense > from both sides should be that both attorneys are barred from ever > litigating in court again. Clearly neither knew how to present a case.
> The amicus brief file by Moglen and his minions framed the issue pretty > squarely:
> "The District Court's decision that the asserted violations of the Artistic > License at issue in this case sound in contract, not copyright, was > erroneous. If the > decision were applied broadly, it could disrupt the settled expectations of > literally > millions of copyright holders who have depended upon the copyright system to > secure the right to enforce public licenses....
Yeah, yeah. "Literally millions of copyright holders"... except MySQL
"SCO's GPL violations entitle IBM to at least nominal damages on the Sixth Counterclaim for breach of the GPL. See Bair v. Axiom Design LLC 20 P.3d 388, 392 (Utah 2001) (explaining that it is "well settled" that nominal damages are recoverable upon breach of contract); Kronos, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Inc. v. AVX Corp., 612 N.E.2d 289, 292 (N.Y. 1993) ("Nominal damages are always available in breach of contract action".). " ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
See the phrase "breach of contract"?
LOL.
regards, alexander.
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Alexander Terekhov wrote: > I'm shocked by Amici's citation of Nimmer on Copyright talking about > "appropriate contractual provisions" and "appropriate contract > construction"... What!? I thought that licenses are not contracts in > "free as in free speech" world.
Perhaps you would be less shocked if you quoted in context? After the quote from Nimmer about contractual conditions, the brief states
"Nimmer ... support the proposition that a copyright licensor may recover in copyright for violations of a license condition ..."
That is, the argument states that since it is fine for a contract to require attribution, it makes sense for a license that requires it to be enforceable as well. It does not argue that the license is a contract.
> Alexander Terekhov wrote: > > I'm shocked by Amici's citation of Nimmer on Copyright talking about > > "appropriate contractual provisions" and "appropriate contract > > construction"... What!? I thought that licenses are not contracts in > > "free as in free speech" world.
> Perhaps you would be less shocked if you quoted in context? > After the quote from Nimmer about contractual conditions, > the brief states
> "Nimmer ... support the proposition that a copyright > licensor may recover in copyright for violations of > a license condition ..."
Hint:
Suppose that a copyright license of mine states that:
*Before* you make use of my exclusive right(s) you must tell the world that I am "Alexander The Great and Powerful."
That is a license condition (violation of which I may recover in copyright.)
Got it now?
regards, alexander.
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rjack wrote: > Eben Moglen is asking the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit
> to overturn the clear and unequivocal language of the Supreme Court > in De Forest Radio Tel. & Tel. Co. v. United States, 273 U.S. 236, > United States Supreme Court (1927):
> "Whether this [act] constitutes a gratuitous license, or one
> for a reasonable compensation, must, of course, depend upon > the circumstances; but the relation between the parties > thereafter in respect of any suit brought must be held to be > contractual, and not an unlawful invasion of the rights of
'Concede that, if the owner had said, "If you go on and infringe my patent, I shall not attempt to enjoin you, but I shall subsequently sue you for infringement," the tort would not be waived;'
and that is similar to language contained in the GPL.
"What is there left to test? The GPL is a software license, it is not a contract."
Professional lawyers hired to defend FSF (REPLY BRIEF IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT FREE SOFTWARE FOUNDATION, INC) to dismiss for failure to state a claim:
"Plaintiff's mischaracterization of the GPL in his Response has no bearing on the resolution of the pending Motion to Dismiss because the Court can examine the GPL itself. "[T]o the extent that the terms of an attached contract conflict with the allegations of the complaint, the ^^^^^^^^ contract controls." ^^^^^^^^
The court didn't examine the GPL contract but dismissed nevertheless (disclaiming jurisdiction).
"The final judgment in Wallace v. Free Software Foundation, Inc. constitutes a void judgment under Seventh Circuit precedent. Judge Tinder granted dismissal [Red Hat and Novell’s Supp. App. at 12] pursuant to F.R.Civ.P. Rule 12(b)(6) for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted although the reason given was lack of “antitrust injury” (lack of standing). In the Seventh Circuit, since the decision in Frederiksen v. City of Lockport, 384 F.3d 437 at 438 (7th Cir. 2004), issues of standing are required to be dismissed pursuant to F.R.Civ.P. Rule 12(b)(1) for lack of subject matter-jurisdiction."
LOL.
regards, alexander.
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