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twiki  
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From: twiki <lap7...@yahoo.it>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:07:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual
Where can I find a LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual?
LaTeX is more flexible than texinfo for customizations;
versions of the emacs-manual on the GNU web site
are not suitable for printing/reading

THANX in ADVANCE!


 
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From: Carson Chittom <car...@wistly.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:40:09 -0500
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Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

twiki <lap7...@yahoo.it> writes:
> Where can I find a LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual?
> LaTeX is more flexible than texinfo for customizations;
> versions of the emacs-manual on the GNU web site
> are not suitable for printing/reading

> THANX in ADVANCE!

If you're interested in customizing the manual, I'm not sure what to
tell you; but if you just want to print it, both PostScript and PDF
versions are at http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/emacs.html (and
DVI, for that matter).

 
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From: twiki <lap7...@yahoo.it>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:51:20 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual
Postscript and PDF versions are not editable.
I would like to a) change the font and margins b) exclude certain chapters c) add the topics ... and print ... so I would like a LaTeX source.
Versions docbook obtained from sources texinfo (makeinfo through) are difficult to be processed.

 
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From: Carson Chittom <car...@wistly.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:16:59 -0500
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Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

twiki <lap7...@yahoo.it> writes:
> Postscript and PDF versions are not editable.
> I would like to a) change the font and margins b) exclude certain
> chapters c) add the topics ... and print ... so I would like a LaTeX
> source.
> Versions docbook obtained from sources texinfo (makeinfo through) are
> difficult to be processed.

Have you tried texi2latex[1]?  The texinfo site says that it's
unmaintained, but it might be worth a shot.

[1] http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/texi2latex


 
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From: Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyba...@Web.DE>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 20:25:46 +0200
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Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

Am 20.09.2012 um 19:51 schrieb twiki:

> I would like to a) change the font and margins b) exclude certain chapters c) add the topics ... and print ... so I would like a LaTeX source.
> Versions docbook obtained from sources texinfo (makeinfo through) are difficult to be processed.

See whether pandoc can convert from Texinfo to LaTeX well enough: http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc.

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Date: 20 Sep 2012 19:25:42 GMT
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Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual
EN:SiS(9)

Peter Dyballa wrote:
> See whether pandoc can convert from Texinfo to LaTeX well enough: http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc.

pandoc doesn't handle texinfo as an input format...

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From: twiki <lap7...@yahoo.it>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:31:21 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Sep 20 2012 5:31 pm
Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual
I downloaded the texinfo-source of emacs-manual from:

  http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/texi/emacs.texi.tar.gz

After unpacking emacs.texi.tar.gz I converted emacs.texi
to emacs.docbook with:

  makeinfo --docbook emacs.texi -o emacs.db

Pandoc handles the conversion DocBook -> LaTeX but the command

  pandoc -f docbook -t latex -s emacs.db -o emacs.tex

does not work!


 
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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:16:05 +0200
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Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

twiki <lap7...@yahoo.it> writes:
> Pandoc handles the conversion DocBook -> LaTeX but the command

>   pandoc -f docbook -t latex -s emacs.db -o emacs.tex

> does not work!

Does "emacs.tex" already exists when you try the command? I remember that
I had to 'touch' the target files first before using pandoc.

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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:02:47 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

> Does "emacs.tex" already exists when you try the command? I remember that

No

The error I get is:

  Pandoc: emacs.db: hGetContents: invalid argument (invalid UTF-8 byte sequence)

Suggestions?


 
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From: twiki <lap7...@yahoo.it>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:02:47 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Sep 21 2012 3:02 am
Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

> Does "emacs.tex" already exists when you try the command? I remember that

No

The error I get is:

  Pandoc: emacs.db: hGetContents: invalid argument (invalid UTF-8 byte sequence)

Suggestions?


 
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From: Joost Kremers <joostkrem...@yahoo.com>
Date: 21 Sep 2012 08:29:50 GMT
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Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual
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twiki wrote:
>> Does "emacs.tex" already exists when you try the command? I remember that

> No

> The error I get is:

>   Pandoc: emacs.db: hGetContents: invalid argument (invalid UTF-8 byte sequence)

> Suggestions?

your input file emacs.db is not utf-8 encoded. pandoc simply foregoes
the entire encoding mess and assumes everything is utf-8.

makeinfo doesn't seem to have a way of specifying the output encoding,
so the easiest way to go about this is probably to open emacs.db in
emacs and save it as utf-8 (C-x RET f).

HTH

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From: Eli Zaretskii <e...@gnu.org>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:51:43 +0300
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Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

> From: Joost Kremers <joostkrem...@yahoo.com>
> Date: 21 Sep 2012 08:29:50 GMT

> makeinfo doesn't seem to have a way of specifying the output encoding,

??? What's wrong with @documentencoding and the --enable-encoding
switch to makeinfo?

 
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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 02:53:33 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Sep 21 2012 5:53 am
Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual
I have converted the file emacs.db in emacs-utf-8.db with iconv:

   iconv -f ISO-8859-1 -t UTF-8 emacs.db > emacs-utf-8.db

...but when I launch pandoc with the new file... the pc crashes!!!

I decided to give up LaTeX: too complicated to achieve with docbook!
(But why the GNU not produce documentation directly in LaTeX?)

Does anyone know an easy way to convert docbook
in a few editable format?


 
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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:57:38 +0200
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Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

twiki <lap7...@yahoo.it> writes:
> versions of the emacs-manual on the GNU web site
> are not suitable for printing/reading

Why?

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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 03:05:53 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

> Why?

I do not want to learn texinfo but emacs!

From the texinfo source can only change
margins (for A4) but not the font.

And then I would be able to add and remove pieces
of the manual and other parts taken from the network
before printing!


 
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From: twiki <lap7...@yahoo.it>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 03:05:53 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Sep 21 2012 6:05 am
Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

> Why?

I do not want to learn texinfo but emacs!

>From the texinfo source can only change

margins (for A4) but not the font.

And then I would be able to add and remove pieces
of the manual and other parts taken from the network
before printing!


 
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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:13:35 +0200
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Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

twiki <lap7...@yahoo.it> writes:
>> Why?

> I do not want to learn texinfo but emacs!

You said:

> versions of the emacs-manual on the GNU web site
> are not suitable for printing/reading

So my question was "why do you think the emacs-manual manual
on the GNU website is not suitable for printing/ reading?"

> From the texinfo source can only change
> margins (for A4) but not the font.

Well, if you are serious about learning Emacs, you can't be
serious about the font of the printed manual being a problem.

> And then I would be able to add and remove pieces
> of the manual and other parts taken from the network
> before printing!

Too bad your printer/system does not allow you to print only
parts of a document!  :)

Anyway, good luck with the time sink,

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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 03:31:46 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Sep 21 2012 6:31 am
Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

> So my question was "why do you think the emacs-manual manual
> on the GNU website is not suitable for printing/ reading?"

Fonts too small make reading unpleasant
and from what I read, with texinfo you can
only change the font from 10pt to 11pt

> Well, if you are serious about learning Emacs, you can't be
> serious about the font of the printed manual being a problem.

The readability is important for me!

> Too bad your printer/system does not allow you to print only
> parts of a document!  :)

I wish I could translate parts of the text and to add
considerations, tricks taken from the Internet and more ...
all this before you print!

> Anyway, good luck with the time sink,

I thought it was an easy thing to do ... as well as obvious!

You're right ... looks amazing having to lose so much time!

However, it seems to me reasonable to be able to modify the source
documentation of an open-source program using
a typesetting-language as powerful as LaTeX!


 
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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 03:31:46 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Sep 21 2012 6:31 am
Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

> So my question was "why do you think the emacs-manual manual
> on the GNU website is not suitable for printing/ reading?"

Fonts too small make reading unpleasant
and from what I read, with texinfo you can
only change the font from 10pt to 11pt

> Well, if you are serious about learning Emacs, you can't be
> serious about the font of the printed manual being a problem.

The readability is important for me!

> Too bad your printer/system does not allow you to print only
> parts of a document!  :)

I wish I could translate parts of the text and to add
considerations, tricks taken from the Internet and more ...
all this before you print!

> Anyway, good luck with the time sink,

I thought it was an easy thing to do ... as well as obvious!

You're right ... looks amazing having to lose so much time!

However, it seems to me reasonable to be able to modify the source
documentation of an open-source program using
a typesetting-language as powerful as LaTeX!


 
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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:45:00 +0200
Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

twiki <lap7...@yahoo.it> writes:
> Fonts too small make reading unpleasant
> and from what I read, with texinfo you can
> only change the font from 10pt to 11pt

See attached patch against texinfo.tex on how
to change the size.

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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:49:01 +0200
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Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

On Fri, Sep 21 2012, twiki wrote:
> Fonts too small make reading unpleasant
> and from what I read, with texinfo you can
> only change the font from 10pt to 11pt

Isn't it possible to change the font with plaintex macros?

> I wish I could translate parts of the text and to add
> considerations, tricks taken from the Internet and more ...
> all this before you print!

I don't know texinfo, but I'm sure that you only need to learn about
10 macros for that...  One hour learning and you're done.

(OT: Before switching from texinfo to LaTeX, consider switching to ConTeXt!)

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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 05:34:51 -0700 (PDT)
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> Isn't it possible to change the font with plaintex macros?

...quoting from:

  http://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/manual/texinfo/html_node/Fonts.html

[...]
Texinfo does not at present have commands to switch
  the font family to use, or more
  general size-changing commands. [...]

> I don't know texinfo, but I'm sure that you only need to learn about
> 10 macros for that...  One hour learning and you're done.

One hour???

- To extract the file from source texinfo TeX?

- To learn how to insert images in a format suitable for TeX?

- To convert my LaTeX / RTF / TXT notes to TeX?

I think it's quite complicated (at least for me)
and at the point of the question is another:

 It is possible to get a file from source texinfo LaTeX?

The procedure I followed was:

   texinfo sources -> makeinfo -> docbook -> Pandoc -> LaTeX

but it did not work! I understand that it is too complicated
as a transformation of formats and so I wanted to see if
you can have a larger and more powerful format (of texinfo)
to work... and to send to print a
===customized version=== of the Emacs manual!

THANX !!!


 
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From: twiki <lap7...@yahoo.it>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 05:34:51 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

> Isn't it possible to change the font with plaintex macros?

...quoting from:

  http://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/manual/texinfo/html_node/Fonts.html

[...]
Texinfo does not at present have commands to switch
  the font family to use, or more
  general size-changing commands. [...]

> I don't know texinfo, but I'm sure that you only need to learn about
> 10 macros for that...  One hour learning and you're done.

One hour???

- To extract the file from source texinfo TeX?

- To learn how to insert images in a format suitable for TeX?

- To convert my LaTeX / RTF / TXT notes to TeX?

I think it's quite complicated (at least for me)
and at the point of the question is another:

 It is possible to get a file from source texinfo LaTeX?

The procedure I followed was:

   texinfo sources -> makeinfo -> docbook -> Pandoc -> LaTeX

but it did not work! I understand that it is too complicated
as a transformation of formats and so I wanted to see if
you can have a larger and more powerful format (of texinfo)
to work... and to send to print a
===customized version=== of the Emacs manual!

THANX !!!


 
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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:13:15 +0200
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Subject: Re: LaTeX-version of the emacs-manual

Am 20.09.2012 um 21:25 schrieb Joost Kremers:

> pandoc doesn't handle texinfo as an input format...

Then there's texi2html, a Perl script which converts Texinfo source files to HTML output; http://www.nongnu.org/texi2html.

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() twiki <lap7...@yahoo.it>
() Fri, 21 Sep 2012 03:31:46 -0700 (PDT)

   I wish I could translate parts of the text and to add
   considerations, tricks taken from the Internet and more ...
   all this before you print!

Which parts?

Why not use two Emacs instances?  One to play with, one to read from.
For either or both you can choose a suitably pleasant onscreen font.

It seems Emacs' current support for annotations (of info files) is poor
to middling: <http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AnnotationMode>, so if you
are a programmer, you might be able to get due piccioni con una fava :-D
by advancing the state of the art, learning Emacs Lisp as well in the
process.

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