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Alan  
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 More options Jul 17 2007, 1:09 am
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
From: Alan <lngn...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:09:00 -0000
Subject: Looking for Dired mode to comment directory listing
At one time, 4dos, an alternate M$DOG shell, enabled a file listing
command to include a comment.  In the days of 8+3 filenames, this was
simple feature improved my work output considerably.  Later on, GNU/
Linux with extremely long filenames worked ok, and I was able to
forget about 4dos.

It occurs to me, however, that it might be possible to do a similar
thing with dired, transparently.  Is it currently possible?  I saw an
ipa.el, In Pace Annotations,  on the emacs.sources group/list (http://
www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs/ipa.el), enabling commentary
annotations  to be saved in separate files, and viewed transparently.
To use this feature for directory listings, however, it would be
necessary to save the listing to a file.  Or would it?

I have received comments in the past, that long filenames are enough.
I could still use other kinds of comments, for example, with photos,
and it would seem to be more convenient.

Thanks for any ideas.

Alan


 
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Will Parsons  
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 More options Jul 18 2007, 8:00 am
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From: w...@nodomain.invalid (Will Parsons)
Date: 18 Jul 2007 12:00:39 GMT
Local: Wed, Jul 18 2007 8:00 am
Subject: Re: Looking for Dired mode to comment directory listing

Alan wrote:
> At one time, 4dos, an alternate M$DOG shell, enabled a file listing
> command to include a comment.  In the days of 8+3 filenames, this was
> simple feature improved my work output considerably.  Later on, GNU/
> Linux with extremely long filenames worked ok, and I was able to
> forget about 4dos.

> It occurs to me, however, that it might be possible to do a similar
> thing with dired, transparently.  Is it currently possible?  I saw an
> ipa.el, In Pace Annotations,  on the emacs.sources group/list (http://
> www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs/ipa.el), enabling commentary
> annotations  to be saved in separate files, and viewed transparently.
> To use this feature for directory listings, however, it would be
> necessary to save the listing to a file.  Or would it?

I'm not familiar with ipa.el, but 4dos worked (if I remember correctly)
by having an invisible file DESCRIPT.ION in each directory containing the
mappings of file names to file descriptions.  As long as one used the 4dos
versions of copy, move, &c. to copy and move the files, the annotations
would follow the file names.  You could do this in Emacs, but you would
have to use the annotation-aware version of dired to maintain the
annotations.

 > I have received comments in the past, that long filenames
are enough.  > I could still use other kinds of comments, for example, with
photos, > and it would seem to be more convenient.  > > Thanks for any ideas.


 
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 More options Jul 20 2007, 1:45 am
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From: "spamfilteracco...@gmail.com" <spamfilteracco...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:45:15 -0700
Local: Fri, Jul 20 2007 1:45 am
Subject: Re: Looking for Dired mode to comment directory listing
On Jul 17, 7:09 am, Alan <lngn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> At one time, 4dos, an alternate M$DOG shell, enabled a file listing
> command to include a comment.  In the days of 8+3 filenames, this was
> simple feature improved my work output considerably.  Later on, GNU/
> Linux with extremely long filenames worked ok, and I was able to
> forget about 4dos.

> It occurs to me, however, that it might be possible to do a similar
> thing with dired, transparently.  Is it currently possible?  I saw an
> ipa.el, In Pace Annotations,  on the emacs.sources group/list (http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs/ipa.el), enabling commentary
> annotations  to be saved in separate files, and viewed transparently.
> To use this feature for directory listings, however, it would be
> necessary to save the listing to a file.  Or would it?

Not necessarily. I can add some code to ipa.el which would use the
displayed directory as file name if the current buffer is in Dired
mode.

The only thing I need is a way to determine the path of the currently
displayed directory in Dired. If someone provides this code then I add
the rest to ipa.el.


 
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Mathias Dahl  
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 More options Jul 20 2007, 4:14 am
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From: Mathias Dahl <brakjol...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:14:13 +0200
Local: Fri, Jul 20 2007 4:14 am
Subject: Re: Looking for Dired mode to comment directory listing

"spamfilteracco...@gmail.com" <spamfilteracco...@gmail.com> writes:
> The only thing I need is a way to determine the path of the currently
> displayed directory in Dired. If someone provides this code then I add
> the rest to ipa.el.

Do you mean something like the function `dired-current-directory'? :)

 
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Dieter Wilhelm  
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 More options Jul 20 2007, 5:06 am
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From: Dieter Wilhelm <die...@duenenhof-wilhelm.de>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:06:13 +0200
Local: Fri, Jul 20 2007 5:06 am
Subject: Re: Looking for Dired mode to comment directory listing

Alan <lngn...@gmail.com> writes:

...

> I have received comments in the past, that long filenames are enough.
> I could still use other kinds of comments, for example, with photos,
> and it would seem to be more convenient.

For photos you can do this with M-x image-dired.  Just type 'c' for
the current thumbnail and you can add a comment for the respective
image file which will be saved automatically.  (At least this was
planed 8-), right now there is still a bug in image-dired.  First you
have to create the database file yourself.  And from then on it works
like a charm.)

--
    Best wishes

    H. Dieter Wilhelm
    Darmstadt, Germany


 
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Mathias Dahl  
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 More options Jul 20 2007, 5:27 am
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From: Mathias Dahl <brakjol...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:27:05 +0200
Local: Fri, Jul 20 2007 5:27 am
Subject: Re: Looking for Dired mode to comment directory listing

Dieter Wilhelm <die...@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> writes:
> For photos you can do this with M-x image-dired.  Just type 'c' for
> the current thumbnail and you can add a comment for the respective
> image file which will be saved automatically.  (At least this was
> planed 8-), right now there is still a bug in image-dired.  First
> you have to create the database file yourself.  And from then on it
> works like a charm.)

That bug will be soon gone, when the discussion how to best fix it, is
over.

BTW, from Dired, use the key binding C-t c.

/Mathias


 
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Dieter Wilhelm  
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 More options Jul 20 2007, 11:30 am
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From: Dieter Wilhelm <die...@duenenhof-wilhelm.de>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:30:04 +0200
Local: Fri, Jul 20 2007 11:30 am
Subject: Re: Looking for Dired mode to comment directory listing

Mathias Dahl <brakjol...@gmail.com> writes:
> Dieter Wilhelm <die...@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> writes:

>> For photos you can do this with M-x image-dired.  Just type 'c' for
>> the current thumbnail and you can add a comment for the respective
>> image file which will be saved automatically.  (At least this was
>> planed 8-), right now there is still a bug in image-dired.  First
>> you have to create the database file yourself.  And from then on it
>> works like a charm.)

> That bug will be soon gone, when the discussion how to best fix it, is
> over.

Yes, this is true for the CVS version, but it will take some time till
the next stable Emacs version including these improvements comes out.

> BTW, from Dired, use the key binding C-t c.

Aha, one can also comment non-images! Nice, but sadly one can't
display/see the comment except in the database 8-(.

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    Best wishes

    H. Dieter Wilhelm
    Darmstadt, Germany


 
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 More options Jul 21 2007, 12:12 pm
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From: "spamfilteracco...@gmail.com" <spamfilteracco...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:12:01 -0700
Local: Sat, Jul 21 2007 12:12 pm
Subject: Re: Looking for Dired mode to comment directory listing
On Jul 20, 10:14 am, Mathias Dahl <brakjol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "spamfilteracco...@gmail.com" <spamfilteracco...@gmail.com> writes:
> > The only thing I need is a way to determine the path of the currently
> > displayed directory in Dired. If someone provides this code then I add
> > the rest to ipa.el.

> Do you mean something like the function `dired-current-directory'? :)

Yep, thanks. :)

Dired support is implemented: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs?action=history;id=ipa.el


 
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Mathias Dahl  
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 More options Jul 21 2007, 8:33 pm
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From: "Mathias Dahl" <mathias.d...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:33:26 +0200
Local: Sat, Jul 21 2007 8:33 pm
Subject: Re: Looking for Dired mode to comment directory listing

> > That bug will be soon gone, when the discussion how to best fix it, is
> > over.

> Yes, this is true for the CVS version, but it will take some time till
> the next stable Emacs version including these improvements comes out.

True, true.

> Aha, one can also comment non-images!

Yes :)

> Nice, but sadly one can't
> display/see the comment except in the database 8-(.

Then I suggest you switch to use file-props.el instead :) New version
on EmacsWiki now:

http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/file-props.el

/Mathias


 
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