[GMCnet] moving air compressor inside?
Shan Rose
was just thinking of relocating my air comp to under the dinette seat right behind the pass seat, this should protect it from damage, as my new airzenith is getting quite dirty in the stock location... has anyone else ever moved their AC inside?
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Glenn Giere
I put mine under the driver's seat. Works fine but is a bit noisy.
Glenn Giere
Ed Wilks
a little noise from the compressor is better than an air leak that you don't know you have.
Ed Wilks
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Rob Mueller
You don't note the year of your GMC or where the compressor is now so I will
assume it has a Power Level system with the compressor up front on the left
(drivers) side.
I don't think dirt on the outside of the compressor is that much to worry
about unless it gets caked on. However, sucking dirt into it is not a good
thing. I installed a remote intake kit when I was at the COOP. At first I
ran the tube and filter inside behind the dash but after letting it run for
about 30 seconds I knew the noise would drive me nuts. I then located the
filter as high as I could under the hood to the right of the windshield
wiper motor. It is tucked way up in the corner above the upper part of the
hood so water doesn't pour in on it when it rains. Unfortunately I didn't
take any pictures and as of the moment I am in Sydney and the GMC is in
Houston.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Shan Rose
oh yes silly of me, its a 73' canyon lands. the Dana is in storage, and I have a nice petty new air zenith which pumps the bags up in about a minute, and powers a K3HA Nathan Airchime I installed (more on that later) anyhow I was looking at the comp and its filter is mounted right on the compressor head though I could remote mount it if I wanted to, but the PS gear box is leaking a bit and fine oil mist is getting on the compressor and attracting all kinds of dirt. its not a very loud compressor, so moving it inside im thinking might not be a bad idea. im thinking of adding a second or third one and some larger air tanks for the airchimes, and even an onboard air system which can run air tools and fill tires and such...
will have to do another post on the install of the air chimes, they are awesome when it comes to getting that huge costco truck out of your way :)
Robert Mueller wrote on Mon, 09 November 2009 14:35
Rob Mueller
Double Trouble has an old Thomas compressor and what put me off was the
sound of the air sucking in the intake. Very annoying!
Obviously you can remove it and wire it up inside and see what it sounds
like in there.
As far as the Nathan Airchime goes I said to myself why the hell does this
guy want CHIMES on his GMC is he going to use it as an ice cream truck?
I did a Google search and found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdUumkozS_I
I WANT ONE! NO TWO one for both GMC's! You blow one of these and drivers
will poop their pants!
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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oh yes silly of me, its a 73' canyon lands. the Dana is in storage, and I
have a nice petty new air zenith which pumps the bags up in about a minute,
and powers a K3HA Nathan Airchime I installed (more on that later) anyhow I
was looking at the comp and its filter is mounted right on the compressor
head though I could remote mount it if I wanted to, but the PS gear box is
leaking a bit and fine oil mist is getting on the compressor and attracting
all kinds of dirt. its not a very loud compressor, so moving it inside im
thinking might not be a bad idea. im thinking of adding a second or third
one and some larger air tanks for the airchimes, and even an onboard air
system which can run air tools and fill tires and such...
will have to do another post on the install of the air chimes, they are
awesome when it comes to getting that huge costco truck out of your way :)
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Duce Apocalypse wrote on Mon, 09 November 2009 09:03
> was just thinking of relocating my air comp to under the dinette seat right behind the pass seat, this should protect it from damage, as my new airzenith is getting quite dirty in the stock location... has anyone else ever moved their AC inside?
I put mine inside next to the drivers seat. It was protected there and didn't run much so the noise was ok by me. I believe the current owner felt different, and has moved it somewhere else, or is back to the original, which I left in place under the hood.
Photos:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4023
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Rob Allen
'76 x-PB
Michael Lincoln
and dust off of a nearby car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtFIJcqk8nw
Potentially a great boon for freeway merges?
Steven Ferguson
I have a huge York under the couch. I run it once a day when I'm on
the road. Not a big deal and I only have to listen to the racket for
90 seconds.
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Shan Rose
check eBay, I got my nathans brand new for $380, though thats a really good price, usually they go for 500-600 referbished. but thanks to the crappy economy deals can be had. basically I like the sound of the K3 Nathans the best, these are the same horns found on many north american locomotives, and if you can feed it enough air, can be insanely loud! the stock airtank is enough for a quick tut tut, or a 4-5 second blast. the best way to sound these horns is with a manual metering valve like the Salem 353-100 valve which is what they use on a loco. I didnt have the $200 for the salem valve so I rigged up a manual airvalve for an air compressor from home depot for $7.99, and with a little practice flairing the air flow, you can make it sound just like a train. Nathan AC's will sound with as little as 30# of air, while reaching max volume around 140#, its the flow that determins how loud it is, Im feeding mine with a 3/8 line, but the restrictive oraface of the 1/4 I have plimb
ed into the tank and air valve limit my flow somewhat. I will eventually add a 5 gallon tank and the proper 1/2 lines. I have used my horns usually for display and fun mostly, friends get a kick out of the party bus with train horns, but on 2 occations it did motivate an idiot driver to get out of my way. one was a guy who almost cut me off, but stopped as soon as he heard a train, amd the second was going down an graded onramp with some woman in a new VW bug slowing down to stop in the carpool lane of the onramp even though everyone knows you dont have to stop in those lanes! turns out she was on her phone(These kinds of idiot drivers are especially concentrated in LA) so I flaired the Nathans like a loco engineer and she actually turned around and looked at me and scrambled outta my way, when I passed her she blaired the annoying little "beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep" horn from the bug which I responded wit ha quick Toot toot from the Nathans at about 60 mph. the real beauty of these
horns is unlike the stock horns, these can actually be heard at highway speeds! really good if some idiot cuts you off or swerves into your lane. :) yeah best $380 I ever spent, im totally satisfied hehe
Robert Mueller wrote on Mon, 09 November 2009 21:23
Mike Miller
Duce Apocalypse wrote on Mon, 09 November 2009 19:07
> oh yes silly of me, its a 73' canyon lands. the Dana is in storage, and I have a nice petty new air zenith which pumps the bags up in about a minute, and powers a K3HA Nathan Airchime I installed ...
Compare the stock "truck" horn (electric) to 2 different Nathons:
<http://www.trucktrainhorns.com/info/?p=37>
While used often on the computer, it is very rare for me to actually "laugh out loud." :lol:
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Glenn Giere
In addition to moving my compressor inside I made a vacuum reservoir out of a 2 foot piece of 4" dia schedule 40 PVC sewer pipe. I sealed a cap on each end and drilled and tapped one cap for a vacuum line. I mounted this to the crossmember behind the grill with 3 SS hose clamps. Vacuum pump hasn't had to work since.
Glenn Giere
Shan Rose
Actually, only one of those were a nathan, the other is sold by matt heller of HornBlasters.com (they sell nathans too but mark them up a lot) they have a bunch of funny videos of them tooting the horns at unsuspecting people in south FL. the Hornblaster horn has a deeper tone, and sounds similar to a train horn, but cant match the volume and pitch of the Nathan, which use spun aluminum bells, versus ABS for the cheaper hornblasters set, though if on a budget the hornblasters set isnt a bad horn at all, but if you are patient, you can get the real deal nathans for about the same price as the HB kit. all I gotta say is I now desire a set of K3 horns on every vehicle I drive, since often my stok horn gets ignored by people on the phone with the windows up and stereo blasting. nathans demand that you will be heard, the only thing is you have to use with some common sense, honking those after hours will get you a disturbing the peace ticket, for that reason I still have the stock
horn for late at night city use, on the highway, all is fair game :)
Mike Miller wrote on Tue, 10 November 2009 12:13
> Duce Apocalypse wrote on Mon, 09 November 2009 19:07
> > oh yes silly of me, its a 73' canyon lands. the Dana is in storage, and I have a nice petty new air zenith which pumps the bags up in about a minute, and powers a K3HA Nathan Airchime I installed ...
>
>
> Compare the stock "truck" horn (electric) to 2 different Nathons:
>
> <http://www.trucktrainhorns.com/info/?p=37>
>
> While used often on the computer, it is very rare for me to actually "laugh out loud." :lol:
Terry Skinner
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Rob Mueller
Do an eBay search, there's a heap of them up for auction.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Pictures of the airchime??
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Jim Washburne
I have two air compressors: a big one under the hood that will put 100psi in the system in about 20 seconds, and a smaller one under the bench behind the drivers seat that will air it up in 2 or 3 minutes. Teo reasons for this. First I like the redundancy of two. Secondly, I use the smaller one to "top off" the pressure when sitting for days without moving as the big one can really drain a battery.
Note that I had to use two one-way valves in the system as my air compressors leaked if a valve was not in line with them.
Just my two cents worth.
Jim Washburne
Northern VA, 75 Glenbrook with 3 ACs on the top.
Wally Anderson
Terry Skinner wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 13:28
> Pictures of the airchime??
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> Terry Skinner
> Roy. Washington
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How about pictures and sounds?
http://locomotivehorns.info/index.shtml
HTH
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Shan Rose
well since you all requested it, heres a video of one of the first sound tests from over 1/4 mile away, note my girlfriend's commentary after I honk the horn...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVcUrqGUQQU
wally wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 19:54
> Terry Skinner wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 13:28
> > Pictures of the airchime??
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> > Terry Skinner
> > Roy. Washington
> > '76 GMC
>
> How about pictures and sounds?
> http://locomotivehorns.info/index.shtml
> HTH
Rob Mueller
How loud is it INSIDE the GMC? No point putting one of these puppies on if
it deafens YOU!
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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well since you all requested it, heres a video of one of the first sound
tests from over 1/4 mile away, note my girlfriend's commentary after I honk
the horn...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVcUrqGUQQU
Norm Bowker
http://www.trainhornexpress.com/?gclid=CNCCwr_8hp4CFQiA5QodrQW5qA
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Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:18 PM
well since you all requested it, heres a video of one of the first sound tests from over 1/4 mile away, note my girlfriend's commentary after I honk the horn...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVcUrqGUQQU
wally wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 19:54
> Terry Skinner wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 13:28
Shan Rose
Actually not that bad at all, though when you open the valve full blast you can feel the floor boards rumbling from the SPL. I have the horns mounted just forward of the left front wheel, with the main bell just behind the headlight. standing right next to the coach though for an outside test, I strongly recommend hearing protection like the kind you use when target shooting. I also strongly recommend a manual metering valve like this one
it allows you to control the volume and pitch of the horns, a simple electric on off solenoid will just give you loud honk honk, and if thats all you want then its ok, but I rather have full control over these babys.
Robert Mueller wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 20:29
Shan Rose
Hahaha yeah, they do sound nice, though dont be fooled by companies selling horns and calling them "train horns" those are horns which sound similar to a train, but the real deal comes from Nathan manufacturing, and sold as "Air Chimes" they are cast aluminum, and much louder then the imitation "train horns"
heres a used set of nathans like mine with an aircompressor for sale
storm'n wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 20:56
Roger Black
horn that'll blast your ear drums on 12 volts and they'd prolly be
free for the asking at the men's mall. Well, almost free!
Roger Black
Burns, TN
77 Birchaven SB
Rob Mueller
We want to blast YOUR (and Ken's) eardrums! ;-)
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Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Roger Black
Good luck on that!!!!
Shan Rose
well its not my ears that im trying to blast, its the knuckelhead who cuts me off, and theres about only one electric horn I know of that will beat these airchimes and this is it, its power is 240/480 phase 3 AC and yeah if I could get my hands on one, i'd probably try to find a way to mount it on my coach! lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Pxdz_14jU
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comcast wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 07:13
Rob Mueller
OK, with the Nathan horns people will think they're about to get hit by a
train!
With the Kahlenberg horn they'll think it's an ocean liner! ;-)
Check out this video of a couple of guys having "fun" with a set of
Nathan's.
Disclaimer: I do not condone using the Nathan's as shown in this video BUT
it sure is funny!
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Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
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well its not my ears that im trying to blast, its the knuckelhead who cuts
me off, and theres about only one electric horn I know of that will beat
these airchimes and this is it, its power is 240/480 phase 3 AC and yeah if
I could get my hands on one, i'd probably try to find a way to mount it on
my coach! lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Pxdz_14jU
Shan Rose
I dont think those are Nathans, the sound is similar but the notes are a bit off, nathans have very distinct tuning. though those are not bad. those guys however have ripped off Matt Heller's Hornblasters.com videos, where matt terrorizes people on the streets of Jacksonville FL, if you have ever seen his vids they are absolutely hilarious! hes pretty good about not honking and older people and motorcycles in his vids and in one even lets a FL cop who pulled him over for a ticky tack violation have it, that took some brass ones for sure! haha here is the vid im talking about
Robert Mueller wrote on Sat, 14 November 2009 19:42
> Shan,
>
> OK, with the Nathan horns people will think they're about to get hit by a
> train!
>
> With the Kahlenberg horn they'll think it's an ocean liner! ;)
Rob Mueller
Wonder why the video stopped when it did? Wonder what the cop did after
that?
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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I dont think those are Nathans, the sound is similar but the notes are a bit
off, nathans have very distinct tuning. though those are not bad. those guys
however have ripped off Matt Heller's Hornblasters.com videos, where matt
terrorizes people on the streets of Jacksonville FL, if you have ever seen
his vids they are absolutely hilarious! hes pretty good about not honking
and older people and motorcycles in his vids and in one even lets a FL cop
who pulled him over for a ticky tack violation have it, that took some brass
ones for sure! haha here is the vid im talking about
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hilarious video Rob but they will probably end up getting shot some day. This reminds me of the ghetto blasters in the ricers that frequent the local mall strip, fortunatley I do not carry
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Shan Rose
I've asked Matt Heller a couple times, but he never told me, haha so im thinking either the cop was in on it, or the reaction was say less then favorable. I would like to think its real because it was simply a ballzy move, and it was kind of douchbaggish of the cop to come up with a tint meter, when he stopped him for not using a turn signal originally. I know some will say well its his job, and yeah thats true, but such BS rules are usually only for revenue generation. but I digress.
As for getting shot at, yeah one should honk responsibly, no honking at old ladies, in residential areas, unless its really an emergency, motorcyclists, people on bikes, and most importantly Cops! :p
Robert Mueller wrote on Sun, 15 November 2009 21:47