[GMCnet] LED Interior Lights

[Terry Taylor]

Found these at Amazon, may be available somewhere else, but they make nice
replacements for the lights over the dinette and in the hallway. A
little spendy,
but I am REALLY happy with them.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002Q3VXUK/ref=ox_ya_oh_product

or

http://tinyurl.com/yds87tu

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[Fin Beven]

As I reported earlier, I've "upgraded" to the slick looking tail-light
lenses that JimK (and maybe others) sell. They look great.

So .... I've got a set of original lenses, aluminum trim, and fasteners
that I hate to just throw away.

If anyone wants them, just say so, and I will send. I'd ask you to pay the
postage, but can't imagine that it would be much.

Fin Beven
Pasadena, CA
1976 Ex-Edgemont

[dennis...@aol.com]

Fin,
Please don't throw them out -- if no one needs them I will pay postage and "depot" them in my storage unit.

Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Fin Beven <FinB...@MSN.com>
To: gmc...@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:46 pm
Subject: [GMCnet] GMC tail-lights

s I reported earlier, I've "upgraded" to the slick looking tail-light

enses that JimK (and maybe others) sell. They look great.
So .... I've got a set of original lenses, aluminum trim, and fasteners

hat I hate to just throw away.
If anyone wants them, just say so, and I will send. I'd ask you to pay the

ostage, but can't imagine that it would be much.
Fin Beven

asadena, CA
976 Ex-Edgemont
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[Dan Gregg]

Terry,
Do you find this type to shine brighter than the older ones? I have just purchased several new leds for the interior to use in Quartzsite this Jan.
Dan
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[Peter Bailey]

Fin,
If I am not too late I would love to have the old lights.
email bug...@internode.on.net.
Peter Bailey

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[Rob Mueller]

Fin,

Let Dennis have yours, I have a set I can send to Peter!

He'll damn sure save on the postage!

Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426

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Fin,
If I am not too late I would love to have the old lights.
email bug...@internode.on.net.
Peter Bailey

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Fin,
Please don't throw them out -- if no one needs them I will pay postage and
"depot" them in my storage unit.

Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA

[Steven Ferguson]

Terry,
What color is the light? I've tried using LED bulbs but the harsh,
almost bluish white light is unacceptable. I've always felt that when
someone invents a warm white color (same UV range as tungsten) LED,
that this is what I'd switch over to regardless of cost.

--
Steve Ferguson
'76 EII
Sierra Vista, AZ
Urethane bushing source
www.bdub.net/ferguson/

[dennis...@aol.com]

Fin, Rob and Peter,
I don't need the tail lights -- just offering to pay shipping and hold on to them -- someone will want them later.

Dennis

Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA

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To: gmc...@temp.gmcnet.org

Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 10:16 pm
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC tail-lights

Fin,

Let Dennis have yours, I have a set I can send to Peter!
He'll damn sure save on the postage!
Regards,

ob Mueller
ydney, Australia

US '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428

SA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426

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Fin,
f I am not too late I would love to have the old lights.

mail bug...@internode.on.net.
eter Bailey

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ent: Wednesday, 11 November 2009 2:19 PM

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in,

lease don't throw them out -- if no one needs them I will pay postage and
depot" them in my storage unit.

ennis Sexton
3 GMC
ermantown, TN
SA

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ent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:16 PM
ubject: [GMCnet] GMC tail-lights

As I reported earlier, I've "upgraded" to the slick looking tail-light
lenses that JimK (and maybe others) sell. They look great.

So .... I've got a set of original lenses, aluminum trim, and fasteners
that I hate to just throw away.

If anyone wants them, just say so, and I will send. I'd ask you to pay
the postage, but can't imagine that it would be much.

Fin Beven
Pasadena, CA
1976 Ex-Edgemont
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[Fin Beven]

Peter, Dennis, and Rob ... I had another thought. I'm going over to
Miguel's shop in the next day or two. He may want to hold on to them, or
I'll send them to Dennis. I'll let you know.

Thanks,

Fin.

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[Larry]

I've tried using LED bulbs but the harsh, almost bluish white light is unacceptable. I've always felt that when someone invents a warm white color

The Blue-ish light seems inherrent of the process to make light for the LED.

I think it would be easy enough to find a filter to get that warm white effect.

I am split on the filters.

Gatsbys' CRUISER has Florescents that are cold white, great for when you really need to see what you are doing. I also put in 4 wall light florescents ( long story ) which are standard base, 12vdc, 15w, put out 60w light and the light is warm white. I especially like these when watching tv or lounging.

The night light in the bath module, connected to the floor light ckt so I don't forget to turn them off, are the bright white you speak of but they are behind a florescent lamp bezel which seems to tone it down a bit. Lots of light for a night light.

Dunno if a warm white fixture will come in the near future, they will probably slap a warm white filter on them anyway to get the desired effect.

Has the LED world changed? No matter what LED I find, they are not up to par with incandescent yet. These you have found dont have the lense so the light may disperse better but does is fill the coach with light like incan does?

Advantage of the older LED is power economy but as these start to put more light out, the power use increased greatly.

May have to rethink what is used for power conservation.

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[MDR]

These are nice too - http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/50119407

They are 12VDC so you can direct wire them and toss the transformer.
I glued mine to a metal strip to slide under the fan frame and tapped power off my Fantastic for an overhead light - real EZ.
MDR
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1978 Kingsley
Pac. Northwest

[Roger Black]

I found a bunch of LED lights at West Marine to try in the G. Biggest
problem I've come across is that there are a lot of desirable(?)
lights that are just battery operated, normally at 4.5 vdc.

I'm using a 4"round to replace the cockpit lights but need to go down
when dark and try to read using it. Will report what happens.

Roger Black
Burns, TN
77 Birchaven SB

[Terry Taylor]

I think that they are brighter, Dan and they produce a white light as
opposed to the yellowish light of the
incandescent bulbs.

Dan Gregg wrote:
> Terry,
> Do you find this type to shine brighter than the older ones? I have just purchased several new leds for the interior to use in Quartzsite this Jan.
> Dan
>

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[Terry Taylor]

I agree, Steve, These are much more white than others that I have
seen. I really do not detect
a blue cast to them Will try to take photo tonight and put up on the
photo site.

[Dan Gregg]

Ok Terry. I saw some like that at Quartzsite last year. We tested them in the coach and they did seem "white". I did not buy them but Doug and Len did. All of mine are the older type that still cast some blue tint. the bluish light does not bother Teri and I but I know it does many. We read every night with them while dry camping. I now have enough to light up our entire coach. I will start switching over to the ones like you have when we need more. I am using the 36 count lights now with great success. They light up the entire room but have the bluish tint. Thanks for posting the link to those that you have.

Dan
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[Matt Colie]

We like what we put in the back bedroom.
We are both "in bed readers", and it is really tough if you can't get the light where you need it. So I had been doing an irregular search for a solution when I found a 5 Watt (really 4.6) narrow beam(36*) spot.
<http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=4026556>
A better solution than a 50Watt QI in the same package.

Then I went looking and found a track light system that could mount these lamps(?).
<http://www.direct-lighting.com/2633FC>
I bought them with the hope that I could remove the transformer without difficulty. It was no problem at all. I replaced it with a pull-chain switch so lights could be shut off from far below as it is mounted to the bottom of the port side overhead locker.

It has been a great success.
The lights do exactly what we had hoped and are cool to the touch if you reach up to re-aim one.

I haven't figured out what to do with the third lamp holder - yet.

Matt

--
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'73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air)
SE Michigan

[Roger Black]

Here's a soft white light. It kinda sticks out on the page.
http://www.bestconverter.com/12-Volt-LED-Interior-Lighting_c_126.html

Roger Black
Burns, TN
77 Birchaven SB

WIRE WHEEL*: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere
under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprints
and hard-earned calluses from fingers in about the time it takes you
to say, 'Oh sh --'

[Jim White]

Steven-
So what you are saying is those interior LED lights make it seem like
you are over dosing on Viagra with the extreme blue light effect?
Don't ask me how I know.
See, I don't have complete CRS!
Jim "Doc" White
Wintergreen, VA

[Paul Zerkel]

comcast wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 10&#58;28

> I found a bunch of LED lights at West Marine to try in the G. Biggest
> problem I've come across is that there are a lot of desirable(?)
> lights that are just battery operated, normally at 4.5 vdc.

I saw a site on the web the other day where someone had used these types of lights and stuck a voltage regulator in them to get them to run of 12v. There were using a LM7805 for the 4.5 volt models. I have not been able to find the website again.
--
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'78 Eleganza II
Salisbury IL (near Springfield)

[Steven Ferguson]

Jim,
I have a story I sometimes tell about Viagra. Emery sometimes
recalls it and it is funnier when he retells it.
Really though, I went to GE lighting school through Dunwoody Tech
institute back in MN. Learned some very interesting stuff. Cool
white flourescents are the longest lasting and brightest in the tube
family, they are also the harshest. Food, people, make up, colors
etc, all look different under them. That's why so many people buy
stuff at KMart, then bring it back because the color didn't look right
when they got it home. They also have an effect on people's moods.
Several major employers in MN switched over to WWX (warm white delux),
also known as Sylvania Color Brite and some others, and they found
that employees attitudes were better, attendance went up, and
atmospheres were more relaxed.
Those LED's are about as harsh as they can be. On several of my dual
bulb fixtures I have one LED and one tungsten and that softens things
up a bit and I can also just use one side when I'm trying to conserve
batteries.
John Ruff is getting into selling LEDs soon and I hope he remembers
lessons from last year at Quartszite. If anyone can find good, warm
LED replacements for our 1156 sockets, it will be him and the price
will be right.

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'76 EII
Sierra Vista, AZ
Urethane bushing source
www.bdub.net/ferguson/

[Mike Kilroy]

might be good time to google KALVIN color scale for lighting. white
light like noon on a bright day is 5000K, bluish white is around 6000K,
warm and cool also available in LED lighting. I bought some 3000K (just
about identical yellowish as incadencent bulbs) and 4000K for warm
white. Al;so check LED lighting on ebay to see some more about these
different colors available and replacement bulbs for 12v gmc use. I use
PAR38&64 flood LEDs around house outside and plug in 12v bayonet
replacement (1157?) ones in gmc on 2"x2"pcb that sit in center of
overhead light covers nicely.

On 11/11/2009 3:54 PM, Steven Ferguson wrote:
> ....................eral major employers in MN switched over to WWX (warm white delux),

> also known as Sylvania Color Brite and some others, and they found
> that employees attitudes were better, attendance went up, and
> atmospheres were more relaxed.

> Those LED's are about as harsh as they can be.....

[John Ruff]

Challenges of LED measurement

LED&#8217;s present certain measurement challenges inherently in their design such as their narrow viewing angle, near-monochromatic light, and limited wavelength selection. This is further complicated by the confusing use within the industry of various measurement units for qualifying LED output such as candela (both spherical and beam), candlepower (older term for candela), foot-candles or lux (illuminance), watts per square centimeter (irradiance), and lumens or watts (power). Color, once a subjective human perception, in an attempt to define and standardized its use, has become a complicated LED specification to measure with terminology like color coordinates, color temperature, dominant/complementary wavelength, Color Rendering Index (CRI) and Correlated Color Temperature (CCT).

Mike Kilroy wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 17&#58;32

> might be good time to google KALVIN color scale for lighting. white
> light like noon on a bright day is 5000K, bluish white is around 6000K,
> warm and cool also available in LED lighting. I bought some 3000K (just
> about identical yellowish as incadencent bulbs) and 4000K for warm
> white.

--
John Ruff
Noxen, PA
1975 Eleganza
WA3RIG

If I use ZDDP in a new car - will the tappets go flat?

[Dan Gregg]

So John, what in the world are you telling us?
We want to know about brightness and whiteness, not about measurement.
Are yall coming to Quartzsite this Jan?

Dan
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[Steven Ferguson]

John,
Did you make this up:>)
After all the @#$%^, what are you going to be marketing that will
replace the tungsten bulbs in RV applications and will the have the
same warm color as what they replace?.
Please keep it simple. My head hurts now.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:03 PM, John Ruff <j_r_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Challenges of LED measurement
>
> LED’s present certain measurement challenges inherently in their design such as their narrow viewing angle, near-monochromatic light, and limited wavelength selection. This is further complicated by the confusing use within the industry of various measurement units for qualifying LED output such as candela (both spherical and beam), candlepower (older term for candela), foot-candles or lux (illuminance), watts per square centimeter (irradiance), and lumens or watts (power). Color, once a subjective human perception, in an attempt to define and standardized its use, has become a complicated LED specification to measure with terminology like color coordinates, color temperature, dominant/complementary wavelength, Color Rendering Index (CRI) and Correlated Color Temperature (CCT).
>
>
> Mike Kilroy wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 17:32

>> might be good time to google KALVIN color scale for lighting.  white
>> light like noon on a bright day is 5000K, bluish white is around 6000K,
>> warm and cool also available in LED lighting.  I bought some 3000K (just
>> about identical yellowish as incadencent bulbs) and 4000K for warm
>> white.
>
>
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> Noxen, PA
> 1975 Eleganza
> WA3RIG
>
>
> If I use ZDDP in a new car - will the tappets go flat?
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[Mike Kilroy]

for more confusion:) I can put a pix up showing one each, next to each
other, 3000, 4000, & 5000K led flood lights I use around here; you can
see the yellow, whiter, then whitest color most easily - I prefer the
5000K or pure white myself.... My opinion on led replacement bulbs for
the gmc interior (and outside door) is the led ones I put in have the
most lumens I could find but they still do not produce as much light as
the plain old 1157s originals - maybe 30% less - and this is subjective
opinion. But the whiter color makes up for it to me. If you go for the
1,2,or 5w leds your right back to having to worry about the heat - they
will burn your hand - or melt the plastic lite cover if too close - if
you touch some of them.

On 11/11/2009 8:03 PM, John Ruff wrote:
>
> Challenges of LED measurement
>
> LED&#8217;s present certain measurement challenges inherently in their design such as their narrow viewing angle, near-monochromatic light, and limited wavelength selection. This is further complicated by the confusing use within the industry of various measurement units for qualifying LED output such as candela (both spherical and beam), candlepower (older term for candela), foot-candles or lux (illuminance), watts per square centimeter (irradiance), and lumens or watts (power). Color, once a subjective human perception, in an attempt to define and standardized its use, has become a complicated LED specification to measure with terminology like color coordinates, color temperature, dominant/complementary wavelength, Color Rendering Index (CRI) and Correlated Color Temperature (CCT).
>
>

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[Les Burt]

I may need to replace the ride height control valves on my '75 EL2. I'm in
the process of evaluating their condition and my replacement options.

I found some on eBay for a reasonable price. I've asked the seller who the
manufacturer is, awaiting response.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160369530996

http://tiny.cc/vt3uI

Apparently the better valves to get are from Crowe Manufacturing.
http://www.heightcontrolvalve.com/index.html

http://tiny.cc/NvhYA

According to Crowe's website, there are "counterfeit" low-cost valves out
there that don't work well. Is it true, or is it advertising hype? I guess
it depends on where the valve is made.

I would like to know if anyone has used the cheaper valves with any level of
success. I'm concerned about cold weather operation as I read somewhere that
the damping fluid used in the cheapies does not survive cold weather very
well.

I know that our dedicated suppliers have the valves, and hopefully they are
selling the good quality units as they are more $$. I will probably buy from
one of them, but thought I'd ask here first to see what others have tried or
experienced.

Les Burt
Montreal

[Les Burt]

The valves on eBay are produced by Mohawk Manufacturing.
http://www.mohawkmfg.com/

I wonder if they are produced offshore or here in NA?

Les Burt
Montreal

[Gary Worobec]

Dave Lenzi sells rebuilt ones for $66.00. Why pay $72 + from e-bay and take
a chance? You can be assured that if you get it from Dave it will be right.
JMHO

Thanks

Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier

[Rob Mueller]

Les,

Below you will find a number of emails regarding where the Powerlevel
control valves are manufactured.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: web...@crowemanufacturing.com [mailto:web...@crowemanufacturing.com]

Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:21 AM
To: Sales
Subject: A message from the Crowe web contact form

************************************************************************
Name: Robert O.C. Mueller
Email: robmu...@iinet.net.au
Contact Requested: Contact Requested
Password: Crowe
Remote Name: 124.170.137.138
Date: Monday February 09, 2009
Time: 08:21 AM -0500

Comments:

Hi,
I have a 1975 GMC Motorhome that has level control valves that look like the
one Crowe manufactures. I would like to confirm that it is the same. Did
Crowe supply these valves to GMC between 1973 to 1978 when GMC was building
the Motorhome with rear air suspension? I appreciate your assistance with
this inquiry.
Thank you, Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Haviland [mailto:robha...@crowemanufacturing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2009 4:21 AM
To: robmu...@iinet.net.au
Cc: Janet Lawson
Subject: RE: A message from the Crowe web contact form

Hello Robert,
The leveling or height control valves that came with your Motorhome
were originally built by Delco a division of GMC located here in Dayton,
Ohio.
Crowe began manufacturing the valves for Delco in 1981 but they were
still sold under the Delco brand name. Crowe eventually purchased the valve
business from Delco in 1988. At that time the brand name was changed to King
of the Road but many people still refer to it as the "Delco" valve even
today.
So to answer your question we did not actually build the valves,
assuming they are original, that are on your vehicle but we do manufacture
these parts using the original Delco owned tooling and equipment and with
the original Delco drawings and manufacturing specifications that were used
for the 1973-78 Motorhomes'.
These are not the imported knockoffs that some dealers try to sell
as OEM replacements. If in doubt look for the "King of the Road, Dayton
Ohio" raised lettering on the valve body next to the mounting bracket.
There are a few minor manufacturing changes that have been made over
the years but they should have no impact on installation or use.
If you don't mind me asking I would be interested in knowing how you
located us; referral, Google, etc?
As a manufacturer we do not sell the valves directly but a
distributor that we would recommend is Jim Kanomata at Applied Air Filters.
His website is www.AppliedGMC.com
If you have any questions or need more information you can contact
me directly at this email address and we will do what we can to help.

Rob Haviland
President Crowe Mfg.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Mueller [mailto:robmu...@iinet.net.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2009 8:16 AM
To: 'Rob Haviland'
Cc: Jim Kanomata (jimka...@gmail.com)
Subject: Powerlevel Ride Height Control Valves

Rob,

I appreciate your prompt and comprehensive response.

To be honest I can't remember where or how I found Crowe. I was going
through my bookmarked Favorites in Internet Explorer clicking on links to
see if they were still good and / or if I couldn't remember what / who they
were. Crowe fit into the latter group.

Applied Air Filters / Jim Kanomata is well known to myself and the GMC
community.

I now know that Crowe valves are the genuine article and where to buy them.

Thanks & Best Regards,

Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426

-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist...@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist...@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Les Burt
Sent: Friday, 13 November 2009 4:39 AM
To: gmc...@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ride height control valves

The valves on eBay are produced by Mohawk Manufacturing.
http://www.mohawkmfg.com/

I wonder if they are produced offshore or here in NA?

Les Burt
Montreal

[Mr.erf ERFisher]

Maybe here
http://gmcmotorhome.info/levelsch.htm#CONTROL

I think this is where JimK found out.

I will add your note from them

gene

> To be honest I can't remember where or how I found Crowe. I was going
> through my bookmarked Favorites in Internet Explorer clicking on links to
> see if they were still good and / or if I couldn't remember what / who they
> were. Crowe fit into the latter group.
>

--
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“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
-------
http://gmcmotorhome.info/
Alternator Protection Cable
http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html

[Larry]

white light like noon on a bright day is 5000K, bluish white is around 6000K, warm and cool also available in LED lighting. I bought some 3000K (just about identical yellowish as incadencent bulbs) and 4000K for warm white.

_____________________________________________________________

I did not think of this before but, Gatsbys' CRUISER :d has a rear view mirror with dimming, temp and compass. IT ALSO HAS down lights made of LEDs. They toned the color by a combination of yellow, white, and green leds. The harsh blue is mixed with the rest and looks quite tungstun.

--
Gatsbys' CRUISER :d
74 GLACIER X, 260
455/APC/4 bagg'r(ver3)
Remflex Manifold gaskets
_______________________________________________
Purchased 08-18-04

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[Larry]

found some on eBay for a reasonable price. I've asked the seller who the manufacturer is, awaiting response.

___________________________________________________________

I had one of the levelers fail and one of the suppliers sent me a replacement.

That expensive little valve has been as much trouble as the none working one for one reason - the way the built it.

The arm is fastened at one point to the valve but it rotates on a hub with nothing to hold it on. This thing comes off all the time and then level is a foregone thought. Many times I have driven into a gas station and wondered why the coach was tilted sideways, its always that valve.

I have tried bending more tension onto the hub to keep the arm in place but it keeps coming off. I have finally tried to just wire something to hold it in place which has been more effective.

I might suggest trying to find a valve that is built a bit less cheaply or you may have the same fun that I have experienced.

--
Gatsbys' CRUISER :d
74 GLACIER X, 260
455/APC/4 bagg'r(ver3)
Remflex Manifold gaskets
_______________________________________________
Purchased 08-18-04

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[John Ruff]

The bottom line with LED's is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In my SOB I have both blueish and yellowish leds. Whenever I turn them both on and have two differt people looking at them it is inevitable that they will each choose the opposite bulb!

We can now make led RV lights in just about any color you like. The trick is to see them before you buy them.

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John Ruff
Noxen, PA
1975 Eleganza
WA3RIG

If I use ZDDP in a new car - will the tappets go flat?

[Jim Kanomata]

We are the disributor for the Identical valves.
They are stocked by: Coop MTRS, Alex Sirum ,G randview RV,MGM-GMC, and
Applied GMC.

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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
ji...@appliedairfilters.com
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502

[Les Burt]

Good info to know when on the road! Thanks Jim!

Les Burt

[Rob Mueller]

Jim,

You bet, the President of Crowe even put a link to your website in his
answer to me!

Quote:

As a manufacturer we do not sell the valves directly but a distributor that
we would recommend is Jim Kanomata at Applied Air Filters. His website is
www.AppliedGMC.com

UnQuote:

Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426

-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist...@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist...@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kanomata
Sent: Saturday, 14 November 2009 2:56 PM
To: gmc...@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ride height control valves

We are the disributor for the Identical valves.
They are stocked by: Coop MTRS, Alex Sirum ,G randview RV,MGM-GMC, and
Applied GMC.

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[sparkchaser]

Four years ago I made my own LED lights for our coach. I did have photos posted on the photo site darned if I can find them now.

I used 10mm super bright white LEDS that I bought on Ebay from Hong Kong. Mounted 66 LEDS on a Radio Shack project board and two boards to a fixture. I built 12 of these and mounted them all over the coach. No current draw on the house batteries to worry about and cool operating.

Dennis & Pia Lepard
Depew, NY
'76 Palm Beach

[Roger Black]

Dennis,
Look here for your album on the lights.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=14844

Good idea and neat work on the lights.

Btw, your name for the album search is "Sparkchase" {:>)

Roger Black
Burns, TN
77 Birchaven SB

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[rhusak]

Dennis.. What did you use for a fixture and lens?
Boiu you really got some soldering practice on that project!
Ron
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76 Eleganza II
Conifer, CO

[Chris Choffat]

Guys, this topic is about LED lighting. Start a new topic please!

Les Burt wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 08&#58;07

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-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
77 Ex-Kingsley 455: The Engineer's Motorhome
Scottsdale, AZ

[Steven Ferguson]

Wouldncha know it? Jim K is ahead of us again.

--
Steve Ferguson
'76 EII
Sierra Vista, AZ
Urethane bushing source
www.bdub.net/ferguson/

[Chris Choffat]

John is busy looking for a better "winter" spot! :lol:

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-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
77 Ex-Kingsley 455: The Engineer's Motorhome
Scottsdale, AZ

[John Ruff]

Found my spot. :)

4200 Kelvin is what I think is a very nice color for interior lighting.

There are currently a lot of cheap LED's on the market and be assured you will get what you pay for.

If you want to be at the front of LED technology and really get good results then look at Luxeon Rebels and Cree XP. Go to Luxeon.com and Cree.com to learn more... Only two of these Rebels on a stick replaces 12 1/4 watt LED chips brightness.

Samsung is entering the LED industry fast and furious with their LED TVs. They also claim to have nice 1/4W flat LEDs.

Did you knowt that LED's can now be dimmed? Did you know that led replacement bulbs are available that will run on 7 volts DC to 18 Volts DC and that their brightness will not change?

LED technology is moving forward at rocket speed. If you are looking at technology that is over 6 months old then they will probably end up on the same shelf as your Betamax video recorder :) (Wish I still had mine!)

Chr$ wrote on Tue, 01 December 2009 10&#58;12

> John is busy looking for a better "winter" spot! :lol:

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John Ruff
Noxen, PA
1975 Eleganza
WA3RIG

If I use ZDDP in a new car - will the tappets go flat?

[Manny Trovao]

>  John Ruff is getting into selling LEDs soon and I hope he remembers
> lessons from last year at Quartszite.  If anyone can find good, warm
> LED replacements for our 1156 sockets, it will be him and the price
> will be right.

Maybe we should have a show and tell at Quartzsite.
I've been using led lighting in/out in our coach for years.
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Manny Trovao
manny...@hughes.net
Manny's Trans / Power Drive
San Jose, California
408-937-1583

[Roger Black]

Well, Manny, how bout letting us Right Coasters know what you've done
as you never seem to have your coach with you when you come east.
Pictures would help as well.

Let us see what you have.

Roger Black
Burns, TN
77 Birchaven SB

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[Dan Gregg]

Hey Manny, glad yall are coming to Quartzsite. I will certainly be knocking on your door to see your led lights. That is all Teri and I have in our coach for dry camping. Bring pics of the girls.

Dan
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Dan & Teri Gregg

danandteri.blogspot.com

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[Manny Trovao]

Roger,
I'm really bad at documenting things.
At most rallies I go around during open houses and take pictures of
what I would like in my coach, then I just do it.
Maybe someone will take a picture at Quartzsite and uploaded to the
website (hint Gene) <G>.

--
Manny Trovao
manny...@hughes.net
Manny's Trans / Power Drive
San Jose, California
408-937-1583

[Roger Black]

Well, Manny. Just go out and purchase a new set of whatever you have
and send them to me. I'll check them out and take pictures and
document installation and you can get back to tranny, Manny. <G>

Roger Black
Burns, TN
77 Birchaven SB

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[Dan Gregg]

I always get pictures of Manny and his stuff. Will have my camera in Quartzsite.

Dan
--
Dan & Teri Gregg

danandteri.blogspot.com

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[Jim Kanomata]

There is always pressure on us to push their product.
What we do is to make these products available at discounted prices to
people like:
Jim B, Jeff S. Tom H, Migil M,and DJ E
We do this with the Thorly Headers,Timken Bearings,etc
We purchase from each other to support them when they have product we
feel is great to carry.

--

Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
ji...@appliedairfilters.com
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502

[John Ruff]

We will have a booth at Quartzsite again this year. It is a very hectic time.

I could probably set up a show and tell session at night. It would be one you would never forget.

My GMC has had all it's interior lighting converted to LED's and I do mean ALL. Including the floor lights. I am absolutely in love with the results.

John Ruff

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John Ruff
Noxen, PA
1975 Eleganza
WA3RIG

If I use ZDDP in a new car - will the tappets go flat?

[Rob Mueller]

Jim,

I see you've covered the "usual suspects" but who is DJ E?

Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426

-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist...@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist...@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kanomata
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 2:49 PM
To: gmc...@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ride height control valves

What we do is to make these products available at discounted prices to

people like: Jim B, Jeff S. Tom H, Migil M, and DJ E.

Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
ji...@appliedairfilters.com
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
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[rallymaster]

DJ Eberhart in Sheridan, OR

On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:25:27 +1100 "Rob Mueller" <robmu...@iinet.net.au>
writes:

Ron & Linda Clark
1978 Eleganza II
North Plains, ORYGUN

[Larry Davick]

Oooh! John!

I was talking about LED lights for the floor lights just this
weekend. We leave the floor lights on all night and I thought LED's
would be perfect. What LED's do you use, or do you sell, for the
floor lights???

Larry Davick
The Mystery Machine

[Mr.erf ERFisher]

here are some you can make,
if you make them or buy them, be aware of this problem of reversed wiring
;>)
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=5572

gene

--

Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
-------
http://gmcmotorhome.info/
Alternator Protection Cable
http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html

[Mr.erf ERFisher]

>
> I see you've covered the "usual suspects" but who is DJ E?
>

http://www.fmcanw.org/gmc/djparts.htm

always look for our suppliers here
http://www.bdub.net/GMCSupplierLinks.html

thanks Billy
gene

--
Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
-------
http://gmcmotorhome.info/
Alternator Protection Cable
http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html

[Bob de Kruyff]

""I could probably set up a show and tell session at night. It would be one you would never forget.""

Sounds down right scarey John !!

--
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ

[Dan Gregg]

Set it up John. I would appreciate any information that you can share with us. We plan to be in Quartzsite from the 13th until the car show at end of the month. We will be at the hamfest parking for about 5 days but will have a vehicle to travel back and forth.

Dan
--
Dan & Teri Gregg

danandteri.blogspot.com

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[Steven Ferguson]

We'll hear ya coming Dan.....unless you've muffled that thing.

--

Steve Ferguson
'76 EII
Sierra Vista, AZ
Urethane bushing source
www.bdub.net/ferguson/

[Dan Gregg]

Steve, you will be happy. Have a new set of chrome headers coming, with baffles.

[Steven Ferguson]

YipppioKayyaaaaaa

--

Steve Ferguson
'76 EII
Sierra Vista, AZ
Urethane bushing source
www.bdub.net/ferguson/

[Dan Gregg]

Steve, they just arrived. The painter also called and Monday at the latest. So, we will be making a trip up north first of the week to get it.

[roy keen]

John
Where is your booth? Are you the guy that sells the led lights in the big tent?
Roy

[Dan Gregg]

Roy, he is one of them. One armed guy so watch him close.
dan

--
Dan & Teri Gregg

danandteri.blogspot.com

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[roy keen]

Dan
If he only has 1 arm it will be easier to keep an eye on my cash. When ever I was near that booth in the big tent it was jammed with customers.
Roy

[Dan Gregg]

roy1 wrote on Wed, 02 December 2009 21&#58;01

> Dan
> If he only has 1 arm it will be easier to keep an eye on my cash. When ever I was near that booth in the big tent it was jammed with customers.
> Roy

His booth was always crowded. I think there were two other led sellers inside but they were no where as busy as John's guys. Leds are hot items in Quartzsite. There were some nice ones there last year. I am sure we will see the newest ones again this year.
Dan

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Dan & Teri Gregg

danandteri.blogspot.com

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[John Ruff]

Floor lights:

We do LED's from a totally different perspective.

Try to imagine this: Start out with a normal bulb base but instead of the glass part - totally remove the glass. Now into the gaping hole of the bulb base install 12 tiny female wire recepticles. 6 of them will be ground holes and 6 of them are positive holes.

Into each of these holes can be pushed a single wire so two holes equal one bulb strip. So our grand total is we can have six bulbs.

Since the led's are mounted on strips and attached to the inside of the bracket with double back tape you can aim the strips in any direction. This works out great for the floor lights. And they produce a lot of light! Using the light strips with a thin double back tape also provides a heat sink for the leds.

Now the obvious down side; the price. The bulb base with three plug in strips is about $34. For floor lights you only need one strip and one base so figure about $14.

I am not personally into selling these yet so this does not count as an offer to sell on this forum :)

Here is a link to the photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/Ahrmless/LedBulbs#

[John Ruff]

I would applaud that remark if I could :)

John Ruff

roy1 wrote on Wed, 02 December 2009 20&#58;01

> Dan
> If he only has 1 arm it will be easier to keep an eye on my cash. When ever I was near that booth in the big tent it was jammed with customers.
> Roy

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John Ruff
Noxen, PA
1975 Eleganza
WA3RIG

If I use ZDDP in a new car - will the tappets go flat?

[John Ruff]

Our booth is in the big tent and yes it is a very very busy booth. That is why I hope to do a fireside presentation at night to show off what current led technology is.

One would think that there is not much to know about led's nor would you think that the product offering changes much. That is not the case.

We like to demo the bulbs on a current meter so you can see how many Ma that the bulbs draw.

John Ruff

roy1 wrote on Wed, 02 December 2009 17&#58;45

> John
> Where is your booth? Are you the guy that sells the led lights in the big tent?
> Roy

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John Ruff
Noxen, PA
1975 Eleganza
WA3RIG

If I use ZDDP in a new car - will the tappets go flat?

[Larry]

What color is the light? I've tried using LED bulbs but the harsh,
almost bluish white light is unacceptable. I've always felt that when someone invents a warm white color (same UV range as tungsten) LED, that this is what I'd switch over to regardless of cost.
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Ok ya'll
Well I got Gatsbys' CRUISER :d home before the snow fall. So far so good, man my fingers are crossed tightly these days.

I had to bring her home so I could see the LED down lights on my rear-view mirror. They used LED and the light is a very passable warm white.

Each side of the RR mirror has a cluster of 6 LEDs. one for the driver, the other for the passenger.

They are arranged in a 2 wide by 3 deep arrangement.

the first 2 are YELLOW.
THe second 2 are BLUE
The third 2 are YELLOW.

I would guess any multiple of this grouping would give you the warm white or close that might be looking for.

Brightness would be by the leds used.

Now, I have to go check Mr SnowBlower, Tomorrow we are expecting 5 to 10 inches, just for snicks.

LarC ( Glad to have Gatsbys' CRUISER :d home and getting ready to boot the snowman back to where he came from. )

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Gatsbys' CRUISER :d
74 GLACIER X, 260
455/APC/4 bagg'r(ver3)
Remflex Manifold gaskets
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Purchased 08-18-04

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[jase386]

i noticed at home depot this year, a string of LED christmas lights in a warm white. at a distance it was hard to tell the difference in the LED and the regular mini whites.. so hopefully that will translate into better LED interior lighting for home and MOTORhomes
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Donovan
1975 Eleganza II (Ellie)
72,500 miles