ready this month?

[T. M. Tracy]

I got this news alert:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002032566_ptemailstorage11.html

In there it says that google is expected to be ready for the public this month.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........

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www.phstheatre.org
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"Haha, that was joke gum. Now you're addicted to heroin"

[Triple Seven]

Interesting...
Gmail is far from complete IMO. I wonder if its gonna take 'em more
than 2 months from today to get it done. Definitely not gonna happen
by next month!

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Triple Seven.
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[kael]

---- Original Message ----
From: "Triple Seven" <tri...@gmail.com>
To: <gmail...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 4:36 PM
Subject: [Gmail-Users] Re: ready this month?

> ... Definitely not gonna happen by next month!

Probably won't gonna happen this year...

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JID: kael+ubi.quito.us//amessage.info

[T. M. Tracy]

gosh, I really get tired! of saying this...but who's to say how far
along the service really is? We have no idea what they have ready in
their sandbox...the whole thing could be ready for launch tomorrow
with all the new stuff...so you don't know.

[Triple Seven]

True, true, but then again...
Half-Life2, Duke Nukem Forever, Always-hot Pizza Delivery, Flying
Cars, Hangoverless Beer... =]

[Gustavo Muslera]

What you call "done"? You know, a conclusion is where you got tired of
thinking, and as gmail is very functional, they perfectly could think
that the actual stage on gmail evolution is "enough" for opening it.

This don't close the door for future gmail improvements, just draws a
line between "beta" and general availability. The other (maybe
"needed" depending on who needs them :) improvements could come later.
You think that google (the search engine) went out of beta
as it is now? :)

Anyway, I agree that some features could be needed to be released to
public, i.e. from my point of view making it multilingual.

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:36:36 +0200, Triple Seven <tri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

[Kendel]

If they just fixed the "auto-add" of people to your contact list, I
would be happy with Gmail as is.

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[Derek]

im happy with the way gmail is.. if they just hurry up and add html
editing.

[Judi Sohn]

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:29:08 -0700, Derek <derek.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> im happy with the way gmail is.. if they just hurry up and add html
> editing.

OFFLINE BACKUP! Until there's a way of retrieving saved email if the
service is unavailable, it won't be ready for non-beta use. A simple
"Archive to disk" button would be good enough for me.

--
Judi Sohn, ju...@momathome.com
Mom at Home Design, http://www.momathome.com
AIM: JudiS217

[Fanis Hatzidakis]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does any other webmail offer direct
downloading of your emails to a local copy? I'm sure yahoo doesn't. As
for hotmail, I think that if you setup your hotmail account into
outlook you can get a copy of your emails, but there's no direct way.
Even if gmail doesn't support this directly, as long as we can get a
pop3 proxy to work with gmail like YahooPOPS! and similar, we're good
to go :)

Fanis

[Derek]

yeah.. i don't think any other 'webmail' service offers downloading of
emails unless you have pop3. i really don't think gmail needs that
type of service.

[Judi Sohn]

You don't think GMail needs that type of service because you've never
needed access to an email and found yourself locked out of your
account for whatever reason. It only has to happen once. I think I was
lucky that it happened to me only a few days after I had an account so
I am more mindful of this issue before I lose access to something that
really matters (in other words, I'm keeping my primary email separate
from GMail).

Yahoo and other webmail services have POP3 options. You may have to
pay for it, and you may not want it, but if having a local copy of
your email is a priority for you it's possible. Currently, it's not
possible in any way shape or form to retrieve GMail email if the
service is down. Therefore, as much as I like the service for what it
is, I will not recommend GMail to anyone for use as their primary
email.

Right now, Google gets away with a lot by calling it "beta" or
"limited test." When the service is open to the world, they're going
to have to do better than that.

You're fooling yourself if you're complacent with the argument, "I've
been using GMail for <whatever> months and I've never had a problem."
I firmly believe that backups aren't there for IF you have a problem,
they're there for WHEN it happens. No one is immune.

[Triple Seven]

Gmail is also accessible through POP3. It's true it's not a feature of
their own, but you can still access it none the less. There are tons
of programs nowadays that let you do that, including IMAP access, so
it's really not an issue anymore.

[Derek]

im sorry... well i can understand what you're saying. judging by your
website it looks like you run some sort of business. i can understand
how much of a setback it can be if you are not able to log into your
account to check your saved mail.

personally i do receive quite a number of important legal emails and
correspondences in my gmail account. although i do not have the
security afforded by gmail to download the messages.. i have made it a
routine to use the screen capture. i know this isn't the best method
for saving, it does work.

[Judi Sohn]

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:44:32 +0200, Triple Seven <tri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gmail is also accessible through POP3. It's true it's not a feature of
> their own, but you can still access it none the less. There are tons
> of programs nowadays that let you do that, including IMAP access, so
> it's really not an issue anymore.
>

Nice. So Google can continue to say "sorry, not my problem" when
something goes wrong because these programs are all 3rd party.

[Derek]

^ yeh those apps are definitely not backed by gmail. i thought gmail
was even doings something to block those 3rd party apps?

[Triple Seven]

The reason Google does not *and never will!!!) support POP3 or any
external access to Gmail is because they're counting on you to see
and click the ads. If you're using POP3, you don't see the ads, and
thus causing Google to loose money, so you'll have no choice but to
use a 3rd party app to "backup" your email offline.

[Judi Sohn]

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:19:50 +0200, Triple Seven <tri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The reason Google does not *and never will!!!) support POP3 or any
> external access to Gmail is because they're counting on you to see
> and click the ads. If you're using POP3, you don't see the ads, and
> thus causing Google to loose money, so you'll have no choice but to
> use a 3rd party app to "backup" your email offline.
>

Which is exactly my point and why I would not recommend GMail for
email that one cares about. Google either needs to support 3rd party
access or have their own backup solution. Not to do so (once it's out
of "beta") for something that is as important to many people as email
is nothing short of reckless IMO. You want to have everyone use the
interface and see the ads? Fine. I just posted today that I'm in
support of the ads and they don't bother me a bit. But then have
something in place that allows users to archive the email locally if
the user so chooses.

[Triple Seven]

I don't see Hotmail, Spymac, Walla, or any of the other online email
services providing you that service for free...

At least with Gmail it's very easy to create "extensions" that does
allow those features. Try doing that with Yahoo. (Yes, I know there's
a tool that let's you read Yahoo mail on POP3, but compare that to the
10s of Gmail apps out there.)
Gmail has back-ups of email messages just as any other webmail
service, if you want to back-up your on your own, why should they
provide you the tools for it?
They're doing *more* than enough by making their DataPack accessible
to outside developers.

[Derek]

actually spymac does have pop3 access for free.

[Triple Seven]

K.

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:59:22 -0700, Derek <derek.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> actually spymac does have pop3 access for free.
>

[Joe Tyson]

Companies don't like giving free pop3, because then you don't see
there ads, popups, or even have a chance to click them.

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:59:22 -0700, Derek <derek.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> actually spymac does have pop3 access for free.
>

--
Joe Tyson
CEO
JTE-Solutions

[Fanis Hatzidakis]

I think that gmail will end up simply not caring about 3rd party tools
that access its emails, as long as someone doesn't abuse it. They will
probably not condone such behavior directly, so as to not encourage or
confuse the masses (who anyway won't take backups of their hotmail or
yahoo emails), but I wouldn't expect them to care about people taking
a backup of their emails offline, as long as they do use the web
interface primarily. Besides, it surely isn't good advertisement for a
company to say "We're stable, but just in the case we're not, here's a
way to get your emails downloaded". They might pass it off as an extra
pay-for service though.

Fanis

[T. M. Tracy]

I think gmail IS ready for public use.
Nothing more is really necessary...just things that we want. They
should open it to the public...but that does not mean that they will
stop making updates to it. There are a few bugs that need to be
worked out, but other than that.

They DON'T need html formatting and they DON'T need to have a plain
html version. It's just things like that that we would like to see.
=)

[Derek]

we're all spoiled and everyone wants those features added hehe...
where is gmails wap version. and i mean the version put out by gmail
itself.

[Lisa Luksus]

If there's a particular email that you just *have* to have a local
copy of, why don't you just forward it to yourself at an account that
does have pop3 access? Since Gmail is an email service and not an
ISP, that means that most of us probably have an ISP account we could
use for that purpose. I do that sort of thing all the time.

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:46:21 -0400, Judi Sohn <moma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:29:08 -0700, Derek <derek.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > im happy with the way gmail is.. if they just hurry up and add html
> > editing.
>
> OFFLINE BACKUP! Until there's a way of retrieving saved email if the
> service is unavailable, it won't be ready for non-beta use. A simple
> "Archive to disk" button would be good enough for me.
>

--

Lisa Luksus
tok...@gmail.com

[T. M. Tracy]

Yeah, I don't need any of my mail locally. It's more safe not on my
computer. Lol, sometimes things happen and poof...things are gone.
I've never lost any mail that was stored on a mail server before...

[Derek]

yeh... i know what you mean t.m..... poof and you have to reinstall
windows haha.

[T. M. Tracy]

bingo. Lol. so, messages (mine anyways) are safer on google's
servers wich I'm sure they back up and keep em safe...The only reason
id like to see pop3 if for notifiers. I'd also like to see a simple
wap option, but it's fine. I don't need it. =p

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:37:23 -0700, Derek <derek.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> yeh... i know what you mean t.m..... poof and you have to reinstall
> windows haha.
>

[Derek]

hey i just checked my gmail through my phone.

[T. M. Tracy]

what kinda phone?

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:42:00 -0700, Derek <derek.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> hey i just checked my gmail through my phone.
>

[Derek]

i used my treo600 and nokia 7250. i used this site:

http://www.nodrm.com/gmail/index.php

[T. M. Tracy]

ah.

[Lee Gibbs]

wow - checking your e-mail via phone.

--
Lee
(lee....@gmail.com)

[Derek]

yup.. definitly has the cool factor haha.. who would have thought that
one day we could check our email on our dinky little cell phones haha.

[T. M. Tracy]

who woulda thought that we would have cell phones? =p

[Derek]

yup... and who would of thought we would stick pieces of plastic in
our eyes to make us see better. haha

[bruce]

Yahoo does have free POP3 access, just not on the US servers anymore (I
switched to yahoo.au when they started charging for it - I'm Australian
anyway, but they didn't have regional accounts when I first signed up).
My main email accounts are all yahoo, but I pop them with fetchmail and
read them with mutt.

Gmail is very much a secondary account for me until they do provide
some way for me to get my email to my home computer (I hate web
interfaces, and having to be online just to read email). It is a backup
archive (I uploaded my archives with formail and each incoming mail is
copied there by procmail), even though I have no decent way of
retrieving it yet.
They could put the ads into some x-google-ad: headers or something.

[Joe Tyson]

Yeah, doesn't yahoo actually force you to signup for newsletters?

[Derek]

yeh.. thats how yahoo makes its money.

[Purr Meow]

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:12:45 -0400, Joe Tyson <joet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, doesn't yahoo actually force you to signup for newsletters?

No. not really. You can go into your settings and turn that off. I've
never had anything from Yahoo in my other accounts. It's just a
matter of clicking a few boxes.

Happiness,
Purr
--
" It seems to me that if a person wants a leopard as a companion, it
would be well worth hir while to find out what leopards eat, what
makes them playful, and how closely sie may resemble dinner.
Otherwise, it's just Darwin in action. "
anne fraser

[Fanis Hatzidakis]

I've used yahoo as my primary web account for more than 5-6 years, and
never had a single email from them or their "partners". At some point
they subscribed everyone to some lists by default, but it was easy to
opt-out.

Fanis

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:12:45 -0400, Joe Tyson <joet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

[Francisco Tapia]

have you tried pop goes the Gmail, it gives your email client an pop
server to get your gmail

--
-Francisco