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DEP/dodo  
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From: "DEP/dodo" <depfah...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:59:10 -0700
Local: Sun, Oct 11 2009 8:59 pm
Subject: Incoming Message

Hi, Group--

I think I used to get audio and visual notiificagion when a new message had
arrived.  This doesn't seem to be happening now.  Are there any settings I
should check?  Thank you.  ~Dodo


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Ryan Morehart  
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From: Ryan Morehart <moreh...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:01:53 -0400
Local: Sun, Oct 11 2009 11:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Incoming Message
You probably had either the Gmail Notifier or GTalk client installed.
Check down in your system tray (the icons in the bottom right near the
clock), otherwise reinstall one of those programs.


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From: "DEP/dodo" <depfah...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:13:52 -0700
Local: Sun, Oct 11 2009 11:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

Ryan, I *do* have the Gmail Notifier installed.  In fact, I think you were
instrumental in getting it installed a few years ago, as there was a
stubborn glitch at the time.  I assume, then, that since it's there (white
envelope icon), I needn't reinstall.  Now what?

Incidentally, I had no signal that *your* message arrived.  I just saw it
when I went to the Inbox.  ~Dodo


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Ryan Morehart  
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From: Ryan Morehart <moreh...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:14:33 -0400
Local: Mon, Oct 12 2009 8:14 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message
Hm... I'd start by trying to sign out in the Notifier and then back in
(I assume if you right click on it then there's an option for that
somewhere). Also, have you done a restart since you first noticed the
problem?

Ryan


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From: "DEP/dodo" <depfah...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:16:15 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 13 2009 2:16 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

I'll answer your question first about restarting:  yes.  We turn off the
computer at night and have always done so.  As far as signing out of the
Notifier, I don't know how.  I don't sign in or out.  To get into my Gmail,
I always right-click on the white envelope icon and select View Inbox.  I am
so far behind in my personal e-mail that I don't even select Check Mail Now
because that identifies each and every unopened message.  ~Dodo**

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Marko Vukovic  
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From: Marko Vukovic <marko.vuko...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:46:12 +0200
Local: Tues, Oct 13 2009 4:46 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message
2009/10/13 DEP/dodo <depfah...@gmail.com>

> I'll answer your question first about restarting:  yes.  We turn off the computer at night and have always done so.  As far as signing out of the Notifier, I don't know how.  I don't sign in or out.  To get into my Gmail, I always right-click on the white envelope icon and select View Inbox.  I am so far behind in my personal e-mail that I don't even select Check Mail Now because that identifies each and every unopened message.  ~Dodo

Hi Dodo

Well, when you reboot you will be signed out. You have obviously set
it's preferences to start when Windows starts and sign in
automatically. Perhaps you inadvertently turned off the alerts, I am
not sure how since I am using a Mac, but I'm going to guess
right-click, Preferences, Gmail tab. There should be a setting there
to play a sound and/or enable new message popups.
If that doesn't work, perhaps remove the app (Control panel, Programs
and Features), re-download and install.

Cheers
--
Marko


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Zack (Doc)  
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From: "Zack (Doc)" <z...@tnan.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:35:13 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 13 2009 7:35 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

Actually, that's not true... the notifier uses cookies, just like GMail
itself does.  rebooting does not guarantee the cookie will be deleted and
she signed out.  There were certainly problems with it in the past where
people were required to manually sign out to fix it.
What about what Ryan suggested.  When you right-click the icon, what options
(besides "View Inbox") are available.  There certainly USED TO BE, a signout
box; or perhaps sign-in, and that will give the option to sign-out "of your
current box".

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:46, Marko Vukovic <marko.vuko...@gmail.com>wrote:

--

Bill Watterson <http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/23512.html>  - "People
who get nostalgic about childhood were obviously never children."


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From: "DEP/dodo" <depfah...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:18:58 -0700
Local: Wed, Oct 14 2009 3:18 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

Hi, Marko and Zack--

Thank you for both your efforts.

Marko, I am familiar with Gmail's settings but not preferences.  If you can
guide me to these, I will take a look.  I would rather not remove and
reinstall Gmail Notifier as you suggested.  When I originally installed it,
I ran into a problem where it also showed on my husband's "side" when he
logged on.  It took Ryan of this group to figure out how to get rid ot it
from husband's side, and while I still have his messages, I don't want to
"reinvent the wheel."

Zack, the other options are:  Check Mail Now, Tell Me Again . . ., Options,
About . . ., and Exit.  When I select Exit, the envelope icon disappears.
Even if I sign on to Gmail via Google, for example, the icon doesn't
return.  I have to log off and log on again to get it back.  When I
right-click on Options, there is a check mark next to "Use Gmail for
internet mailto: links."  Beneath that is the topic Web browser--"Please
choose which web browser you would like the Gmail Notifier to use when
displaying your inbox."  I have always used "(system default)."  The other
selections are IE and MF.
~Dodo


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Zack (Doc)  
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From: "Zack (Doc)" <z...@tnan.net>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:14:07 -0400
Local: Wed, Oct 14 2009 8:14 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

Try using the Sign Out link in your GMail... it might clear the same cookie,
and allow the notifier to reset.  Probably best to exit it as you you've
described below, then click Sign Out in a GMail window.  Then you should be
able to restart it by looking in your Start Menu, Startup group.  It's most
likely there.

--

George Bernard Shaw <http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/23681.html>  - "If
all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach a conclusion."


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Elihu  
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 More options Oct 14, 4:42 am
From: Elihu <eli...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:42:10 +0200
Local: Wed, Oct 14 2009 4:42 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

You can try Scott's gmail alert - you can manage up to five Google Mail
accounts, including Google Apps:
http://ga.graphicport.net/


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From: "DEP/dodo" <depfah...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:28:22 -0700
Local: Thurs, Oct 15 2009 3:28 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

I followed your suggestion, Zack.  Then I tried sending a message to myself
to see if that prompted a notification of an incoming message.  It didn't.
But then, by chance, someone with whom I'd been e-mailing happened to send a
message, and I did get a kind of notification, *but* it was different than I
used to get.  I think I was in the process of responding to her previous
message when she sent another.  As I dimly recall, a written "notification"
appeared in a yellow rectangle(?) with words to the effect of an "update."
I clicked on the word "update."  I don't recall ever seeing this before and
don't know if it happened because of following your directions or it was
just a coincidence.  I repeated the step you provided again, and again I
tried to test it by sending myself a message.  Again, that didn't work.
That "phenomenon" has not occurred since.  I guess I need to find someone
online when I am and ask that person to send me a message.

Incidentally, in Chrome's Start menu, there was no "Startup group."  I
actually found the Gmail Notifier there, clicked on it, and the Gmail
Notifier window reappeared.  See attachment. ~Dodo

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Ryan Morehart  
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From: Ryan Morehart <moreh...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:25:14 -0400
Local: Thurs, Oct 15 2009 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:28 AM, DEP/dodo <depfah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I followed your suggestion, Zack.  Then I tried sending a message to myself
> to see if that prompted a notification of an incoming message.  It didn't.
> But then, by chance, someone with whom I'd been e-mailing happened to send a
> message, and I did get a kind of notification, but it was different than I
> used to get.

That's a feature that's been in Gmail a while, but it's not related to
your old notifications. It happens if you're viewing a conversation
and someone sends replies. Gmail makes sure you know that there's a
new message instead of automatically updating the conversation.

> Incidentally, in Chrome's Start menu, there was no "Startup group."  I
> actually found the Gmail Notifier there, clicked on it, and the Gmail
> Notifier window reappeared.  See attachment. ~Dodo

Honestly I kinda of have a suspicion that the Gmail Notifier is just
getting too old to work reliably with Gmail. I'm not sure how it
checks for new messages, but the last time it was updated was March
2006 and I know for a fact that they didn't even bother fixing it when
they found out the "Always use HTTPS" lab broke it (HEY! Did you
happen to turn that on?).

I would go ahead and install the Google Talk client
(http://www.google.com/talk/). I just did and verified that it worked
fine for me, so there shouldn't be any problems.

Ryan


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From: "DEP/dodo" <depfah...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:57:28 -0700
Local: Thurs, Oct 15 2009 5:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Ryan Morehart <moreh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's a feature that's been in Gmail a while, but it's not related to
> your old notifications. It happens if you're viewing a conversation
> and someone sends replies. Gmail makes sure you know that there's a
> new message instead of automatically updating the conversation.

Ryan, that's exactly what happened:  I was responding and my friend replied
concurrently.  I knew it wasn't the same kind of notification I used to get.
 Also, I can't recall the last time I got the Gmail Notifier type of
notification about which I originally wrote.

> Honestly I kinda of have a suspicion that the Gmail Notifier is just
> getting too old to work reliably with Gmail. I'm not sure how it
> checks for new messages, but the last time it was updated was March
> 2006 and I know for a fact that they didn't even bother fixing it when
> they found out the "Always use HTTPS" lab broke it (HEY! Did you
> happen to turn that on?).

Your suspicion is totally logical based on what you wrote about its last
update.  No, I never activated that Lab.

> I would go ahead and install the Google Talk client
> (http://www.google.com/talk/). I just did and verified that it worked
> fine for me, so there shouldn't be any problems.

I am a total chicken about installing something unknown to me like the
Google Talk client.  I don't even know what it does, although I looked it up
via your link.  I only e-mail with Gmail and have no plans to do otherwise.
 Are you recommending it because it will allow me to be notified of
incoming messages?  That's all I'm interested in but can live without
it if I have to; after all, I have been for quite a while now.

I just looked at the link again and again think it's "overkill" for what I
want and what I use Gmail for.  Do you still recommend it for me?  Also, do
you know anything about what Elihu recommended on Oct. 14 in these posts?
 ~Dodo


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Ryan Morehart  
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From: Ryan Morehart <moreh...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:25:33 -0400
Local: Thurs, Oct 15 2009 10:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:57 PM, DEP/dodo <depfah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you recommending it because it will allow me to be notified of incoming messages?  That's all I'm
> interested in but can live without it if I have to; after all, I have been for quite a while now.
> I just looked at the link again and again think it's "overkill" for what I
> want and what I use Gmail for.  Do you still recommend it for me?  Also, do
> you know anything about what Elihu recommended on Oct. 14 in these posts?

It does do more than the (now very old) Notifier did, but computer
resource wise it's not bad. Yes, it does notifications like you want.
Just uninstall the old Notifier and install Google Talk and it should
basically be good to go with no hassle.

The program Elihu recommended will probably work although I've never
used it. It does have a pretty long feature list though, so it may be
a bit overwhelming to get configured like you want. Worth a try
though.

Ryan


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From: "DEP/dodo" <depfah...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:16:50 -0700
Local: Fri, Oct 16 2009 12:16 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

Omygosh, Ryan, guess what?  I had *exited* from Gmail and was on a totally
different site when--you guessed it!  I heard a little sound and got a
written notice that someone had sent me an e-mail!!!!  The Notifier was
alive!  Now what do I do?  *If* I were to install Google Talk, I am quite
certain it won't be as easy as you make it sound ("Just uninstall the old
Notifier and install Google Talk . . .")  It never is.  Would you promise to
assist just as you did when I had my Google Notifier problems?  Another *if*:
If the Gmail Notifier is now working (and I don't know if I trust it or even
whether it was Zack's advice that got it going again), what else would
Google Talk do for me, who only e-mails (and uses the Google Calendar)?
Oh!  It just happened again (from the same sender)!  ~Dodo


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Elihu  
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From: Elihu <eli...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:47:30 +0200
Local: Fri, Oct 16 2009 2:47 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

I use Google Talk with no issues, its very easy to use, just fill out your
user name and password the first time it runs.


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From: "DEP/dodo" <depfah...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:25:19 -0700
Local: Fri, Oct 16 2009 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

But, Elihu, as I asked Ryan:
If the Gmail Notifier is now working (I don't trust it yet), what else would
Google Talk do for me, who only e-mails (and uses the Google Calendar)?
~Dodo


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Elihu  
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From: Elihu <eli...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:17:54 +0200
Local: Fri, Oct 16 2009 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

Google talk is not dependent on you're browser so people can see if you are
online even if you are not logged on to gmail in your browser. I f you don't
want that then stay with the notifier.


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From: Elihu <eli...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:19:51 +0200
Local: Fri, Oct 16 2009 6:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

Sorry, meant *your *browser :-)


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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:45:06 -0700
Local: Sat, Oct 17 2009 3:45 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

As a former English teacher, I appreciated that. [?]  ~Dodo

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From: "DEP/dodo" <depfah...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:54:52 -0700
Local: Sat, Oct 17 2009 3:54 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

I am not even sure I understood that (your first sentence).  Some questions
then:

   1. What people would be able to see if I'm online--strangers?  My
   contacts?  (This would be okay.)
   2. What will Google Talk do for me if I am only e-mailing?  Ryan
   mentioned it would notify me of messages as the Gmail Notifier is supposed
   to do.  What else?
   3. If I installed it and then found I didn't like it, is it easily
   removed?
   4. I also recall that Ryan said to first uninstall the Notifier--is that
   really necessary?


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Elihu  
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From: Elihu <eli...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:55:49 +0200
Local: Sat, Oct 17 2009 11:55 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

1. Google talk is a chat client that works the same way as the integrated
chat in the web client. Only your google contacts will see you via gtalk.
The difference is that you are logged on all time as long as you are active
on the computer, no need to be on gmail in your browser.2  You can use it
for chat, voice chat and voice mail.
3. It can be removed like any other program via control panel.
4. Sounds like a good idea.

You can see more info here:

http://www.google.com/talk/about.html


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From: "DEP/dodo" <depfah...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:21:04 -0700
Local: Sat, Oct 17 2009 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

The link you provided was interesting.  On my own, I had found
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=33506.  I'm still
undecided as to what to do.  I want only to be notified of new e-mail.  I
don't know if the Gmail Notifier will work *consistently* for me.  It
recently has for one friend's message but not another's.  What do you think
might happen if I installed Google Talk *without* uninstalling the Notifier?
~Dodo


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Elihu  
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From: Elihu <eli...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:52:36 +0200
Local: Sun, Oct 18 2009 2:52 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message

I'm not sure that they will conflict. You can try and see what happens.


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Ryan Morehart  
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From: Ryan Morehart <moreh...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:32:28 -0400
Local: Sun, Oct 18 2009 10:32 am
Subject: Re: [Gmail-Users] Re: Incoming Message
You can definitely have both running. Give Google Talk a try and then
remove one or the other once you find which one works for you.


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