[GeoNames] European Union and hierarchy
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Alexander Sidorov
May 9, 2010, 7:55:51 PM5/9/10
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Why is European Union not a part of european countries' hierarchy?
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Alexander
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Why is European Union not a part of european countries' hierarchy?
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Prateek
May 10, 2010, 12:23:57 AM5/10/10
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Hi Alexander,
I am just *guessing*, Marc and other guys can correct me if I am wrong. European Union is a political union of countries, following common currency and other political treaties. If EU is given a spot in the hierarchy it will call for giving other political/economical alliances such as United Nations,G-20, WTO, ASEAN, OIC and such in the hierarchy of the respective countries. I think these organizations probably are not the best fit in geographical/administrative hierarchy. IMHO, If they have to be included in the hierarchy, they probably require to be included at the level of the country in the ontology with a property such as "memberOfOrganization".
Thanks,
Regards
Prateek
I am just *guessing*, Marc and other guys can correct me if I am wrong. European Union is a political union of countries, following common currency and other political treaties. If EU is given a spot in the hierarchy it will call for giving other political/economical alliances such as United Nations,G-20, WTO, ASEAN, OIC and such in the hierarchy of the respective countries. I think these organizations probably are not the best fit in geographical/administrative hierarchy. IMHO, If they have to be included in the hierarchy, they probably require to be included at the level of the country in the ontology with a property such as "memberOfOrganization".
Thanks,
Regards
Prateek
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Marc Wick
May 10, 2010, 2:00:38 AM5/10/10
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Alexander
The European Union is just an organization like many others. A country
can be part of many different kind of organizations, there are some
works (you have already seen a file called hierarchy in the dump) to
make it possible to maintain arbitrary dependencies between toponyms.
The EU will be one of many such dependencies.
Best
Marc
The European Union is just an organization like many others. A country
can be part of many different kind of organizations, there are some
works (you have already seen a file called hierarchy in the dump) to
make it possible to maintain arbitrary dependencies between toponyms.
The EU will be one of many such dependencies.
Best
Marc
Bernard Vatant
May 10, 2010, 4:30:26 AM5/10/10
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Hi all
Geonames does not capture in full details the complexity of various and overlapping country organizations. You can find that in the excellent FAO geopolitical ontology at http://www.fao.org/countryprofiles/webservices.asp, of which Caterina in cc is more or less the manager (she'll correct me if I am wrong).
Actually it would be great to have mappings between FAO and Geonames identifiers for countries at least. Given that both are mapped to the ISO 2-letters codes, should not be too difficult.
Caterina, would it be an issue to add geonames ids to FAO geopolitical entities?
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Geonames does not capture in full details the complexity of various and overlapping country organizations. You can find that in the excellent FAO geopolitical ontology at http://www.fao.org/countryprofiles/webservices.asp, of which Caterina in cc is more or less the manager (she'll correct me if I am wrong).
Actually it would be great to have mappings between FAO and Geonames identifiers for countries at least. Given that both are mapped to the ISO 2-letters codes, should not be too difficult.
Caterina, would it be an issue to add geonames ids to FAO geopolitical entities?
Bernard
2010/5/10 Marc Wick <ma...@geonames.org>
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Alexander Sidorov
May 10, 2010, 10:46:07 AM5/10/10
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Hi Marc,
Could you please share more information about the hierarchy. As I remember there were not only countries but A.ADM1 too. As A.ADM1 elements are always part of specific country, I have no idea why do we need it here.
Regards,
Alexander
Could you please share more information about the hierarchy. As I remember there were not only countries but A.ADM1 too. As A.ADM1 elements are always part of specific country, I have no idea why do we need it here.
Regards,
Alexander
2010/5/10 Marc Wick <ma...@geonames.org>
Alexander Sidorov
May 10, 2010, 11:13:53 AM5/10/10
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Hi Bernard,
FAO ontology looks very promising. I think having mapping between GeoNames and FAO countries would be very useful. But in my opinion it would be more useful to have FAO instances as objects of GeoNames parentFeature predicate (I'm not sure whether it is possible to implement declaratively using OWL). This way GeoNames transitive hierarchy would be enriched with FAO country groups.
Regards,
Alexander
FAO ontology looks very promising. I think having mapping between GeoNames and FAO countries would be very useful. But in my opinion it would be more useful to have FAO instances as objects of GeoNames parentFeature predicate (I'm not sure whether it is possible to implement declaratively using OWL). This way GeoNames transitive hierarchy would be enriched with FAO country groups.
Regards,
Alexander
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Marc Wick
May 11, 2010, 12:23:45 AM5/11/10
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Alexander
Anything can be related to anything. There could be a two groups of
German Bundesländer for instance, one for the (former) east and one for
the west. Or the group of all hotels belonging to this or that hotel chain.
What you are asking for is to model a hierarchy or group outside of the
continent, country, province,... hierarchy.
Cheers
Marc
Alexander Sidorov wrote:
> Hi Marc,
>
> Could you please share more information about the hierarchy. As I
> remember there were not only countries but A.ADM1 too. As A.ADM1
> elements are always part of specific country, I have no idea why do we
> need it here.
>
> Regards,
> Alexander
>
> 2010/5/10 Marc Wick <ma...@geonames.org <mailto:ma...@geonames.org>>
> <mailto:geonames%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>.
> <mailto:geonames%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>.
Anything can be related to anything. There could be a two groups of
German Bundesländer for instance, one for the (former) east and one for
the west. Or the group of all hotels belonging to this or that hotel chain.
What you are asking for is to model a hierarchy or group outside of the
continent, country, province,... hierarchy.
Cheers
Marc
Alexander Sidorov wrote:
> Hi Marc,
>
> Could you please share more information about the hierarchy. As I
> remember there were not only countries but A.ADM1 too. As A.ADM1
> elements are always part of specific country, I have no idea why do we
> need it here.
>
> Regards,
> Alexander
>
>
> Alexander
>
> The European Union is just an organization like many others. A
> country can be part of many different kind of organizations, there
> are some works (you have already seen a file called hierarchy in the
> dump) to make it possible to maintain arbitrary dependencies between
> toponyms. The EU will be one of many such dependencies.
>
> Best
>
> Marc
>
> Alexander Sidorov wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> Why is European Union not a part of european countries' hierarchy?
>
> Regards,
> Alexander
>
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> Alexander
>
> The European Union is just an organization like many others. A
> country can be part of many different kind of organizations, there
> are some works (you have already seen a file called hierarchy in the
> dump) to make it possible to maintain arbitrary dependencies between
> toponyms. The EU will be one of many such dependencies.
>
> Best
>
> Marc
>
> Alexander Sidorov wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> Why is European Union not a part of european countries' hierarchy?
>
> Regards,
> Alexander
>
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