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Shahram Zafary  
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 More options Apr 21, 6:04 pm
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From: Shahram Zafary <shahram_zaf...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:04:17 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Tues, Apr 21 2009 6:04 pm
Subject: A single term formula for calculating the circumference of ellipse
My formula for calculating the circumference of ellipse is attached as a small note. I will be grateful if you read and judge it.

(See: http://mathforum.org/kb/servlet/JiveServlet/download/128-1921864-6683...)


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Avni Pllana  
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From: Avni Pllana <avni...@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:17:52 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: A single term formula for calculating the circumference of ellipse

> My formula for calculating the circumference of
> ellipse is attached as a small note. I will be
> grateful if you read and judge it.

Hi Shahram,

here is a useful link, where you can compare your formula with the other known:

http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/geometry/ellipsecirc/

Best regards,
    Avni


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Shahram Zafary  
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From: Shahram Zafary <shahram_zaf...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:06:13 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Thurs, Apr 23 2009 1:06 am
Subject: Re: A single term formula for calculating the circumference of ellipse
Thank you my dear friend.
I read that before. I think my new formula about ellipse circumference compares very well with others. I posted it for others to know that really " I am right"  or not.

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David W. Cantrell  
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 More options Apr 27, 8:22 am
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From: "David W. Cantrell" <DWCantr...@sigmaxi.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:22:23 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Mon, Apr 27 2009 8:22 am
Subject: Re: A single term formula for calculating the circumference of ellipse

Shahram Zafary <shahram_zaf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> My formula for calculating the circumference of ellipse is attached as a
> small note. I will be grateful if you read and judge it.

> (See:
> http://mathforum.org/kb/servlet/JiveServlet/download/128-1921864-6683...)

Congratulations on finding a nice approximation! (Concerning your note, I
should mention that your stated worst |rel. error| is overly pessimistic.
Instead of saying |rel. error| < 0.0017, you should have
said |rel. error| < 0.0013, but perhaps you simply made a typographical
mistake.)

A few comments:

In your formula, (pi/4) is raised to the power 4 a b/(a + b)^2. It is
interesting to note that that power can be written nicely in terms of the
geometric and arithmetic means of the semiaxes' lengths, namely, it is the
square of the ratio of those means: Letting gm = sqrt(a b) and
am = (a + b)/2 for brevity, your power can then be written as (gm/am)^2.
Your approximation formula for the perimeter of an ellipse could then be
written as

4 (a + b) (pi/4)^((gm/am)^2)

But the fact that the ratio of means is squared is not crucial to the
formula, and so it is natural to ask whether we could do "better" by
raising gm/am to some power p other than 2.

1)   If our objective is to minimize worst |rel. error|, then, by numerical
methods, it can be determined that p = 2.016861... should be used. We then
obtain |rel. error| < 0.00078 . (Of course, a disadvantage of using
p = 2.016861... is that it's not as easily remembered as 2. But p could, if
desired, be rounded to 2.017 or approximated by the rational number 119/59;
in either case, worst |rel. error| would still be roughly 0.00078 .)

2)   If our objective is to make the formula as accurate as possible for
nearly circular ellipses, then it can be shown that p = 1/(2 ln(4/pi)) =
2.0698... should be used and that, when eccentricity e is small, relative
error = (9 + 2/ln(pi/4))/16384 e^8 (1 + 2 e^2 +...). Of course, over all
eccentricities, worst |rel. error| is not so good, now being roughly 0.0028 . But this value of p gives us another feature which can often be useful:
We have an upper bound on the perimeter

4 (a + b) (pi/4)^((gm/am)^(1/(2 ln(4/pi)))) >= perimeter

with equality only when e = 0 or 1.

Best regards,
David W. Cantrell


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Shahram Zafary  
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 More options May 16, 3:51 pm
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From: Shahram Zafary <shahram_zaf...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:51:36 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Sat, May 16 2009 3:51 pm
Subject: Re: A single term formula for calculating the circumference of ellipse
Hello dear Mr. Cantrell.
Thanks a lot, for your really exact comments on my formula.
I am really grateful and hope you permit me contact you again about this formula
and some same findings that I found out before

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David W. Cantrell  
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From: "David W. Cantrell" <DWCantr...@sigmaxi.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:31:21 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Sun, Jun 14 2009 1:31 pm
Subject: Re: A single term formula for calculating the circumference of ellipse

Shahram Zafary <shahram_zaf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello dear Mr. Cantrell.
> Thanks a lot, for your really exact comments on my formula.
> I am really grateful and hope you permit me contact you again about this
> formula and some same findings that I found out before

Dear Mr. Zafary,

You are certainly welcome to contact me using my sigmaxi.net email address.

I mentioned your nice formula to Gerard Michon recently, and he has now
added a section about it on his Numericana site. See

<www.numericana.com/answer/ellipse.htm#zafary>.

Note that Gerard found a very nice alternative way of writing your
approximation: The quantity h = ((a - b)/(a + b))^2 often appears in
dealing with the perimeter of an ellipse. Using h, your approximation can
be written simply as

pi (a + b) (4/pi)^h

Although I really liked your approximation before, I like it even more in
the form above!

Best regards,
David


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