Fwd: RE: [gcd-tech] Fwd: [gcd-contact] Comic Web Schema
Jochen Garcke
Jochen
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Betreff: RE: [gcd-tech] Fwd: [gcd-contact] Comic Web Schema
Datum: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:26:41 -0500
Von: Olson, Peter <pol...@marvel.com>
An: Jochen G. <gcd...@garcke.de>
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Hi Jochen -
Very good points.
There's a "format" data point in the Creative Work schema from which the
periodical issue schema descends, so I think that serially published
books would still be able to be handled by the periodical
series/periodical issue paradigm. The issues in that case would just be
larger in format than what we typically think of, but the overall
structure still holds I think. The Series/Issue structure doesn't
really care what format the issues are.
The Diamond code data point is "distributor code", so it would be usable
for other regions that don't use Diamond (definitely shouldn't be a
brand name in the web schema). It's ubiquitous in the US and a lot of
retailer sites, so I think it warrants inclusion. We share the
publisher ID with a lot of retailers and other partners and we surface
it on Marvel.com. I think other publishers do that as well.
The good thing about web schemas and microdata like this is that if a
given web site presents partial data it still has a lot of value. For
example if a website shows a book with only the UPC and Diamond code and
another site shows the UPC and Publisher ID and another book shows only
the title and diamond code, an aggregator would be able to consume the
data and true up the books.
-Peter
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From: Jochen G. [mailto:gcd...@garcke.de]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:27 AM
To: Olson, Peter
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Subject: Re: [gcd-tech] Fwd: [gcd-contact] Comic Web Schema
Hi Peter,
Gave it a short read. Interesting idea and proposal.
Some thoughts and comments for discussion.
One problem I see is the distinction between periodocal series and
Graphic novel. At comics.org we had similar discussions that this is a
somewhat US-perspective and doesn't really cover for example European
album series which have aspects of both, a series and a book. Periodical
has two meanings, the substantive describes the physical object
(magazine, journal), the adjective describes the repeating and regular
aspect of publishing.
Not sure what the proposal is intended to cover in the end, but it has
to be understood that in this form (and this distinction of periodical
series vs. graphic novels) it covers only some aspects of international
comics. We at comics.org haven't really found THE solution for this but
are making steps in that direction. If a comic can be both, part of a
series and a graphic novel (this e.g. concerns book fields like ISBN)
the problem wouldn't be there. Does it need to be 'periodical series' or
can it just be 'series' ?
I see why one wants to have the Diamond code in there, but this only
applies to US comics and only in the last 20 (?) years. I doubt that it
can be in an international standard (as I understand the aim of
schema.org to be).
Similar is publisherId, these exist for books as well, but are not
present in the schema for books (probably because nowadays ISBNs will
that role). These numbers can only be known by the publisher, so I am
not sure if these can be used in the end.
The last two comments are trying to take an outside view.
Jochen
Am 08.02.2012 01:57, schrieb Lionel English:
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> From: *Olson, Peter* <pol...@marvel.com <mailto:pol...@marvel.com>>
> Date: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:35 PM
> Subject: [gcd-contact] Comic Web Schema
> To: con...@comics.org <mailto:con...@comics.org>
>
>
> __
>
> Hi -
>
> Over the past month or so, Marvel has been working on a draft
> microdata schema for comics for the W3C (the web's governing standards
> body) and schema.org <http://schema.org/> (a consortium of search
> engines working on the semantic web). Microdata is a way of inserting
> semantic information into HTML, so that the specific data points can
> be available for search engines and other aggregators without
> obstructing the presentation of pages. The goal of the specification
> is to make comics easier to find on the web and to encourage cool new
> application development with comic data. The success of this
> initiative depends on widespread adoption, so right now we're reaching
> out to publishers, retailers, creators and fans to get feedback on the
> spec, and we'd love to getcomics.org <http://comics.org/>'sperspective
> on it. Once the spec is finalized and adopted by the W3C and
> schema.org <http://schema.org/>, we plan to evangelize its use in
> order to help both print and digital comics become more consistent and
discoverable across the web.
>
> The draft spec is housed
> at_http://www.w3.org/wiki/PeriodicalsComics_and
> ongoing discussion can be found
> here:_http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/_. There's
> nothing in the spec that's going to be very new to anyone who has
> dealt with comic data.
>
> If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me directly or
> join in the discussion over email.
>
> - peter
>
> Peter Olson | VP, Web and Application Development | Marvel
> Entertainment
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