Copyright notice and board approval

[Mike Nielsen]

I'm starting a new thread because I don't want to derail the vote on
the change to the copyright notice, but I have a concern.

I've heard repeatedly from those here that this doesn't need board
approval or isn't a board issue, just go ahead and make the change.

If this isn't a board issue then who does make that decision? Whoever
has the ability to make the change? Board Chairman? I guess I
contend that if it's not a board issue then there should be some group
making that decision, not just one person changing something over a
message on the main list.

Mike Nielsen

[Merlin Haas]

Well, I was the first one on Main who said the wording needed to be
changed by the Board or Policy, (not by individual Board members on
the Main list), so I agree with you.

-- Merlin Haas

[Donald Dale Milne]

I disagree with that premise, and believe the wording, placement,
and even the existence of copyright notices or other legal disclaimers
are indeed Board issues. The Board is the entity to look after our
liabilities and otherwise attempt to protect the members from the legal
problems inherit in operating a website. Placement, maybe not important,
but I haven't yet been convinced of that.

- Don Milne

[Lionel English]

I have two answers: One, as Daniel is working out in his threads, changes to the web site that aren't format related or feature/expansion related, don't have an official channel to go through. So adding seq 0 to the table of contents--that played out on main, 'cause it's not really a board thing (not that we've been terribly busy recently), and it's not a policy thing. And stuff like that tends to play out on main still.

However, during the course of discussion, I've come to believe that this particular change *did* merit board attention because it dealt with a legal notice. And Daniel's probably correct that we should run it by our lawyer, even though it's pretty boilerplate language.

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[Alexandros Diamantidis]

Having said earlier that I don't think the message placement change
needed approval from the board, Don's reminder that this touches on
legal matters makes me lean on that being indeed a matter for the
Board to keep an eye on and formally approve. I thought it was
simply a design change but I see now it's more significant - and
everything making publishers happier about us is important, even if our
legal obligations are met.

Regarding other changes, given that any change is easy to undo and
anything significant passes through the beta site before, I trust all
currently having the required access (mainly Jochen) to be able to make
changes without explicit approval, as long as notice is posted in the
lists and anything non-trivial is given enough time on beta to be
properly checked out by others.

Alexandros

* Donald Dale Milne [2013-03-22 12:40]:

[Lionel English]

I'll add that a lot of stuff tends to start out on main, which is the general membership business list, and when a suggestion is made that gets a lot of support and no opposition, and it's a fairly easy thing to do tech wise (like adding flags to reprint links) then it just gets done. Proposals that meet with no support are generally ignored. And proposals that result in a lot of back and forth about whether we should do something or how we should do something are the ones that get kicked over to policy or the board. And policy is really suffering right now from very tired coordinators who aren't as responsive as they should be.

[Lionel English]

Moving the cover image disclaimer is simply a design change, since no one proposed tampering with the language.

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[Lionel English]

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Daniel Nauschuetz <nausc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I needed to take an extra day to cool down. Not because I disagree with the motion, but at the implications within the statement itself (both original and modified). 

 

 

Daniel, what are the implications that concern you?

[Tony Rose]

I have changed my mind and now see that it is appropriate for the board.

I sent the language to Gill last week but haven't heard back from him.  But, I agree that it is straightforward language and we should go forward.





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[Mike Nielsen]

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Tony Rose <tonyr...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have changed my mind and now see that it is appropriate for the board.
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So I've finally got everybody swung around to my way of thinking. My
plan for world domination is proceeding.... :)


Mike Nielsen

[Tony Rose]

All is in readiness, Master.




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From: "Mike Nielsen" <mike.nie...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [gcd-board] Copyright notice and board approval

[Daniel]

LOL...it became a rather moot point once the ballot was released. You don't need to convince the Board -- just Lionel and Lou.

As they say in the world domination business, work smarter, not harder.

Perhaps I should've tried greasing two particular palms?

Daniel

Tony Rose <tonyr...@comcast.net> wrote:

>All is in readiness, Master.
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[Tony Rose]

In the interest of the permanent record, neither Lionel nor Lou have EVER used the inherent power of their offices to advance or retard a proposal.  On  more than one occasion in the past, I strongly encouraged Lionel to use the power of the gavel to declare motions passed hearing no objection or to name a committee without waiting for volunteers or to fail to see a motion that was directly in front of him or any of the other stuff that is legitimate for chairs to do.  But resisted the temptation, putting to the test that thing about power and corruption. :)

Mike I could have corrupted but we were all feeling our way around how to conduct business back then.  :)

And I know that wasn't what Daniel was implying, we're all just joking around but I wouldn't want any outsiders reading this to get the wrong idea.






tony

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