Help! Gaphor Windows Install
LouA
of confusion as to what is needed, where to get it, and what order to
install things in. Perhaps some one can speak to these matters:
1) There is an all-in-one installer for PyGTK at http://www.pygtk.org/news.html
(an article early in that page). That appears to bring in the latest
edition of Python as well as many other things. Is this useful? I
assume this should be downloaded and installed first?
2) Towards the top of the DevjaVu page, there is statement ”Windows
users should check out the gaphor-win32-libs module from subversion.”
Did you really intend for us to extract software from a repository or
was "check out" and "subversion" just an unfortunate choice of words?
Modelers don’t always know how to work with version control
repositories.
3) Re. the CustomInstallationLocation. I assume the instructions there
must be carried out after Python is installed? How does this fit in
with the all-in-one installer and/or the gaphor-Win32-libs or gaphor-
x.x.x?
4) On the Devjavu page, at the very end, it says
-----“Windows users should not need to install Gaphor at all, but have
to download the gaphor-win32-libs package from Subversion and place in
the directory gaphor-x.x.x.”.
I downloaded gaphor-0.8.1-win32-py24.zip and when I unzipped it that
created a subfolder named “gaphor-win32-libs”. Now both the main
folder and subfolder have batch files named “run-gaphor.bat”.
Which is to be used? And inside the file, what folder name must be
given for “gaphor-Win32-libs”?
That folder tree gaphor-x.x.x seems to contain GTK 2.0 or things that
are related to GTK 2.0; is that not true? Will the files and folders
be put where PyGTK is (from the all-in-one installer)?
Should I be using the gaphor-Win32-libs instead of the easy_install
tool?
Does executing run-gahor.bat install Gaphor?
5) Do I really need to install MingGW at all? And if so, when in
relation to the other downloads and installs? Is there really code to
compile to run Gaphor? When does this compilation occur? What about a
linker?
Arjan Molenaar
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 1:12 AM, LouA <larn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've read the Devjavu notes on installing Gaphor, and there is a lot
> of confusion as to what is needed, where to get it, and what order to
> install things in. Perhaps some one can speak to these matters:
>
> 1) There is an all-in-one installer for PyGTK at http://www.pygtk.org/news.html
> (an article early in that page). That appears to bring in the latest
> edition of Python as well as many other things. Is this useful? I
> assume this should be downloaded and installed first?
This sounds good. I was not aware of this (boy, isn't this bad
publicity?). I'll make a reference on the wiki ASAP.
> 2) Towards the top of the DevjaVu page, there is statement "Windows
> users should check out the gaphor-win32-libs module from subversion."
> Did you really intend for us to extract software from a repository or
> was "check out" and "subversion" just an unfortunate choice of words?
> Modelers don't always know how to work with version control
> repositories.
If you put it this way... Indeed I didn't realise extracting stuff
from a repository isn't a common thing on windows.
> 3) Re. the CustomInstallationLocation. I assume the instructions there
> must be carried out after Python is installed? How does this fit in
> with the all-in-one installer and/or the gaphor-Win32-libs or gaphor-
> x.x.x?
This should be applied after Python is installed, since it allows you
to install additional software in a different location from the python
base code (which allows you to simply remove and reinstall
applications and libraries).
> 4) On the Devjavu page, at the very end, it says
> -----"Windows users should not need to install Gaphor at all, but have
> to download the gaphor-win32-libs package from Subversion and place in
> the directory gaphor-x.x.x.".
> I downloaded gaphor-0.8.1-win32-py24.zip and when I unzipped it that
> created a subfolder named "gaphor-win32-libs". Now both the main
> folder and subfolder have batch files named "run-gaphor.bat".
> Which is to be used? And inside the file, what folder name must be
> given for "gaphor-Win32-libs"?
Gaphor 0.8.1 is quite old. I didn't take that into account when
writing the documentation.
.. and you should use the .bat file from the topmost folder...
> That folder tree gaphor-x.x.x seems to contain GTK 2.0 or things that
> are related to GTK 2.0; is that not true? Will the files and folders
> be put where PyGTK is (from the all-in-one installer)?
This is redundant, I guess the all in one installer will provide all
libraries necessary.
> Should I be using the gaphor-Win32-libs instead of the easy_install
> tool?
gaphor-win32-libs just installs the libraries. In the old days (half a
year ago) I had to compile quite some code myself (on win32) in order
to get Gaphor working.
> Does executing run-gahor.bat install Gaphor?
:) nope.
> 5) Do I really need to install MingGW at all? And if so, when in
> relation to the other downloads and installs? Is there really code to
> compile to run Gaphor? When does this compilation occur? What about a
> linker?
You don't have to install Mingw.
Your comment make clear to me that my documentation on getting Gaphor
working on win32 is seriously lacking.
I think it's best to stick with the all-in-one installer and fetch
gaphor using easy_install. If this work, please let me know so I can
update the documentation. That would seriously lower the barrier of
using gaphor on windows (I'm not a windows user ;).
Thanks for pointing out and I'm looking forward to your findings.
Kind regards,
Arjan
LouA
Thank you for your help. Let confirm these items:
1) I am to use the all-in-one installer
2) I am to set up my folders as per the CustomInstallationLocation.
2) I then use the easy-install.py script to install Gaphor.
3) I am not to use the gaphor-Win32-libs package.
And for further clarification:
When I last used easy_install, python was already installed, but
GTK2.0, etc was not. Neither was gaphor-Win32-libs.
When executing setup, a message came up about something having been
compiled with Visual Studio 2003, and that this software was not
found. It suggested instead that MingGW should be used. This suggests
that the setup program was trying to compile something. Is that
correct? Will this happen again once I use the all-in-one installer?
Please note: Windows users are often very knowledgeable about Linux
matters. It is modelers that tend not to have such knowledge. Of
necessity we need to focus on the software analysis rather than
compilers and libraries. This makes communication with us rather
difficult at times. Please bear with us.
Regards
Lou.
>
> > I've read the Devjavu notes on installing Gaphor, and there is a lot
> > of confusion as to what is needed, where to get it, and what order to
> > install things in. Perhaps some one can speak to these matters:
>
Arjan Molenaar
On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 5:44 PM, LouA <larn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In response:
> Thank you for your help. Let confirm these items:
> 1) I am to use the all-in-one installer
Yes,this will install Python 2.5 + GTK + pygtk. I haven't tried it
myself though.
> 2) I am to set up my folders as per the CustomInstallationLocation.
This is an optional step, otherwise everything will be installed in
your python 2.5 directory.
> 2) I then use the easy-install.py script to install Gaphor.
> 3) I am not to use the gaphor-Win32-libs package.
Correct
> And for further clarification:
> When I last used easy_install, python was already installed, but
> GTK2.0, etc was not. Neither was gaphor-Win32-libs.
> When executing setup, a message came up about something having been
> compiled with Visual Studio 2003, and that this software was not
> found. It suggested instead that MingGW should be used. This suggests
> that the setup program was trying to compile something. Is that
> correct? Will this happen again once I use the all-in-one installer?
Oh, that's zope.interface. This package contains a few files that are required.
Try "easy_install zope.interface==3.3.0", since this is the last
version that contains a pre-compiled egg for Python 2.5 on windows.
> Please note: Windows users are often very knowledgeable about Linux
> matters. It is modelers that tend not to have such knowledge. Of
> necessity we need to focus on the software analysis rather than
> compilers and libraries. This makes communication with us rather
> difficult at times. Please bear with us.
I'm aware of this. I've looked into several ways to create all-in-one
package installer, but didn't succeed so far.
If you have any suggestions ;)
Regards,
Arjan
LouA
days ago. And while I am a software developer, I have never really
needed to know more than the very basics of version control and
installers. MS Windows users usually get one package to install. I
don't think two packages would be unrealistic. But, I assure you that
adding a folder to the PATH is past the limit for some people.
But really, anything that makes it more clear would be appreciated. As
someone who writes a great deal, I still must be consider what people
might read versus what I wrote. I find reviewing my own work a week
later often helps. Again, many thanks.
>
> > In response:
> > Thank you for your help. Let confirm these items:
> > 1) I am to use the all-in-one installer
>
> Yes,this will install Python 2.5 + GTK + pygtk. I haven't tried it
> myself though.
>
> > 2) I am to set up my folders as per the CustomInstallationLocation.
>
> This is an optional step, otherwise everything will be installed in
> your python 2.5 directory.
>
> > 2) I then use the easy-install.py script to installGaphor.
> >> > install things in. Perhaps some one can speak to these matters:
>
> >> > 1) There is an all-in-one installer for PyGTK athttp://www.pygtk.org/news.html
> >> > (an article early in that page). That appears to bring in the latest
> >> > edition of Python as well as many other things. Is this useful? I
> >> > assume this should be downloaded and installed first?
>
> >> This sounds good. I was not aware of this (boy, isn't this bad
> >> publicity?). I'll make a reference on the wiki ASAP.
>
> >> > 2) Towards the top of the DevjaVu page, there is statement "Windows
> >> > was "check out" and "subversion" just an unfortunate choice of words?
> >> > Modelers don't always know how to work with version control
> >> > repositories.
>
> >> If you put it this way... Indeed I didn't realise extracting stuff
> >> from a repository isn't a common thing on windows.
>
> >> > 3) Re. the CustomInstallationLocation. I assume the instructions there
> >> > must be carried out after Python is installed? How does this fit in
> >> > with the all-in-one installer and/or thegaphor-Win32-libs orgaphor-
> >> > x.x.x?
>
> >> This should be applied after Python is installed, since it allows you
> >> to install additional software in a different location from the python
> >> base code (which allows you to simply remove and reinstall
> >> applications and libraries).
>
> >> > 4) On the Devjavu page, at the very end, it says
> >> > to download thegaphor-win32-libs package from Subversion and place in
> >> > the directorygaphor-x.x.x.".
> >> > I downloadedgaphor-0.8.1-win32-py24.zip and when I unzipped it that
> >> > folder and subfolder have batch files named "run-gaphor.bat".
> >> > Which is to be used? And inside the file, what folder name must be
> >> > given for "gaphor-Win32-libs"?
>
>
> >> .. and you should use the .bat file from the topmost folder...
>
> >> > be put where PyGTK is (from the all-in-one installer)?
>
> >> This is redundant, I guess the all in one installer will provide all
> >> libraries necessary.
>
>
> >>gaphor-win32-libs just installs the libraries. In the old days (half a
> >> year ago) I had to compile quite some code myself (on win32) in order
> >> to getGaphorworking.
>
> >> > Does executing run-gahor.bat installGaphor?
>
> >> :) nope.
>
> >> > 5) Do I really need to install MingGW at all? And if so, when in
> >> > relation to the other downloads and installs? Is there really code to
>
> >> You don't have to install Mingw.
>
> >> Your comment make clear to me that my documentation on gettingGaphor
> >> working on win32 is seriously lacking.
>
> >> I think it's best to stick with the all-in-one installer and fetch
LouA
I assume I use ">easy_install zope.interface==3.3.0" BEFORE
">easy_install gaphor"?
>
> > In response:
> > Thank you for your help. Let confirm these items:
> > 1) I am to use the all-in-one installer
>
> Yes,this will install Python 2.5 + GTK + pygtk. I haven't tried it
> myself though.
>
> > 2) I am to set up my folders as per the CustomInstallationLocation.
>
> This is an optional step, otherwise everything will be installed in
> your python 2.5 directory.
>
> > 2) I then use the easy-install.py script to installGaphor.
> >> > install things in. Perhaps some one can speak to these matters:
>
> >> > 1) There is an all-in-one installer for PyGTK athttp://www.pygtk.org/news.html
> >> > (an article early in that page). That appears to bring in the latest
> >> > edition of Python as well as many other things. Is this useful? I
> >> > assume this should be downloaded and installed first?
>
> >> This sounds good. I was not aware of this (boy, isn't this bad
> >> publicity?). I'll make a reference on the wiki ASAP.
>
> >> > 2) Towards the top of the DevjaVu page, there is statement "Windows
> >> > was "check out" and "subversion" just an unfortunate choice of words?
> >> > Modelers don't always know how to work with version control
> >> > repositories.
>
> >> If you put it this way... Indeed I didn't realise extracting stuff
> >> from a repository isn't a common thing on windows.
>
> >> > 3) Re. the CustomInstallationLocation. I assume the instructions there
> >> > must be carried out after Python is installed? How does this fit in
> >> > with the all-in-one installer and/or thegaphor-Win32-libs orgaphor-
> >> > x.x.x?
>
> >> This should be applied after Python is installed, since it allows you
> >> to install additional software in a different location from the python
> >> base code (which allows you to simply remove and reinstall
> >> applications and libraries).
>
> >> > 4) On the Devjavu page, at the very end, it says
> >> > to download thegaphor-win32-libs package from Subversion and place in
> >> > the directorygaphor-x.x.x.".
> >> > I downloadedgaphor-0.8.1-win32-py24.zip and when I unzipped it that
> >> > folder and subfolder have batch files named "run-gaphor.bat".
> >> > Which is to be used? And inside the file, what folder name must be
> >> > given for "gaphor-Win32-libs"?
>
>
> >> .. and you should use the .bat file from the topmost folder...
>
> >> > be put where PyGTK is (from the all-in-one installer)?
>
> >> This is redundant, I guess the all in one installer will provide all
> >> libraries necessary.
>
>
> >>gaphor-win32-libs just installs the libraries. In the old days (half a
> >> year ago) I had to compile quite some code myself (on win32) in order
>
> >> > Does executing run-gahor.bat installGaphor?
>
>
> >> > 5) Do I really need to install MingGW at all? And if so, when in
> >> > relation to the other downloads and installs? Is there really code to
>
> >> You don't have to install Mingw.
>
> >> Your comment make clear to me that my documentation on gettingGaphor
> >> working on win32 is seriously lacking.
>
> >> I think it's best to stick with the all-in-one installer and fetch
LouA
include the creation of the file pydistutils.cfg with the lines:
[build]
compiler=mingw32
Because you suggested that zope.interface v3.3.0 will have been
compiled, I assume these two lines are no longer required?
Also, immediately after the listing of the file, there is a sentence
that suggests the use of "python setup.py develop". Is this the proper
command to use?
Regards,
Lou.
On May 26, 2:13 pm, LouA <larnol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ahhh, one last point:
> I assume I use ">easy_install zope.interface==3.3.0" BEFORE
Arjan Molenaar
>
> Ahhh, one last point:
> I assume I use ">easy_install zope.interface==3.3.0" BEFORE
> ">easy_install gaphor"?
Ehhm.. yes ;/
LouA
the HOME folder?
> I assume I use ">easy_install zope.interface==3.3.0" BEFORE
Arjan Molenaar
>
> Hmm, I also note that the instructions for CustomInstallationLocation
> include the creation of the file pydistutils.cfg with the lines:
>
> [build]
> compiler=mingw32
>
> Because you suggested that zope.interface v3.3.0 will have been
> compiled, I assume these two lines are no longer required?
Correct.
> Also, immediately after the listing of the file, there is a sentence
> that suggests the use of "python setup.py develop". Is this the proper
> command to use?
"python setup.py install" should also work. I'll update this on the
website. the "develop" target will create a "link" to the directory
you install from , which is meaningful when you're, well, developing.
Regards,
Arjan
Arjan Molenaar
I created a short description of how Gaphor can simply be installed.
It's located on http://gaphor.devjavu.com/wiki/Win32.
No custom installation locations. It seems to work here ;).
Regards,
Arjan
LouA
you when I have some results.
> No custom installation locations. It seems to work here ;).
>
> Regards,
>
> Arjan
>
LouA
The install process worked well.
- I installed ActiveState's ActivePython first. It installs by default
to C:\Python25.
- I set the install folder to c:\Python25 for the all-in-one installer
and then executed that but opted not to install the Python runtime (as
they call it). However I still see a Pythonwin.exe which may indicate
that a second Python executable has been installed after all.
- Ez_setup.py worked fine. I note that downloading that into a dummy
folder will do because after ez_setup runs, that folder and file can
be discarded.
- Installing zope.interface worked fine.
- Installing gaphor worked fine.
- I ran gaphor from Windows Explorer. It opened a DOS (cmd.exe)
window, and then a Windows GUI window. Note that if you close the DOS
window, Gaphor closes its GUI window and goes away.
- I played with Gaphor for a few minutes. It has good editing
characteristics, and shows promise for other functions.
- I would hope that code generation will not take over the focus of
the tool, because a strong graphical design tool is much more
important in my opinion. One should maintain the design documentation
and the code separately; manual editing of code is always required
even if it does not change the design.
Let's hope for good growth for the product!
Regards,
Lou.
Arjan Molenaar
It's good to see it worked for you too. I'll try to figure out how I
can avoid having this nice command box with debug statements.
Then, a nice all-in-one installer would probably be a good idea ;).
Regards,
Arjan
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:10 PM, LouA <larn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Some feed back:
> The install process worked well.
> - I installed ActiveState's ActivePython first. It installs by default
> to C:\Python25.
> - I set the install folder to c:\Python25 for the all-in-one installer
> and then executed that but opted not to install the Python runtime (as
> they call it). However I still see a Pythonwin.exe which may indicate
> that a second Python executable has been installed after all.
IIRC it's called pythonw in the "official" python 2.5 installation.
LouA
I had a question:What drawing editor code is being used here; is it
your own?
I'm looking for some open source drawing editor with and API that I
can tag into. Its for modeling - mostly the same functionality as
Gaphor. Only 2D, takes several loadable symbols sets, no hand drawn
figures, no image processing, no reflections - something much lighter
than OpenGL, or GTK. Any suggestions?
Re. :) the install process: Its really not bad. Just very unusual to
see so much happening in a DOS window, and to draw the software from a
few separate sites. It may turn some people off, and some may see it
as not be very secure. I just don't know.
The ActivePython has a Visual Studio style of IDE and may therefore be
more attractive. Hard to judge that also.
I think the current install process is good. It was the first time I
encountered an
> can avoid having this nice command box with debug statements.
>
> Then, a nice all-in-one installer would probably be a good idea ;).
>
> Regards,
>
> Arjan
>
John Pye
> Hi Lou,
>
> It's good to see it worked for you too. I'll try to figure out how I
> can avoid having this nice command box with debug statements.
>
> Then, a nice all-in-one installer would probably be a good idea ;).
>
I did some work on an all-in-one installer for ASCEND, which is a PyGTK
app that runs on Windows. You might want to have a look at the following:
http://ascendcode.cheme.cmu.edu/viewvc.cgi/code/branches/extfn/nsis/
This installer checks for prereqs such as Python, GTK+, PyGTK, PyCairo,
PyGObject and downloads and installs the missing ones before proceeding
to install itself. I think that this approach is better than the big
super-package because it works better when other packages are also
making use of these other Python packages.
The file 'installer.nsi' is the main file, the others are #includes.
Cheers
JP
Arjan Molenaar
I like the way it works. I've been playing a bit with it and I think
it should be pretty easy to modify it in order to get Gaphor installed
(download ez_setup.py and execute it with the right options).
Regards,
Arjan
Arjan Molenaar
>
> Again, thanks for your help.
>
> I had a question:What drawing editor code is being used here; is it
> your own?
Yes, it's Gaphas (http://gaphor.devjavu.com/wiki/Subprojects/Gaphas).
> I'm looking for some open source drawing editor with and API that I
> can tag into. Its for modeling - mostly the same functionality as
> Gaphor. Only 2D, takes several loadable symbols sets, no hand drawn
> figures, no image processing, no reflections - something much lighter
> than OpenGL, or GTK. Any suggestions?
>
> Re. :) the install process: Its really not bad. Just very unusual to
> see so much happening in a DOS window, and to draw the software from a
> few separate sites. It may turn some people off, and some may see it
> as not be very secure. I just don't know.
I'm aware of that, but since I don't have any windows at home its hard
for me to build a decent installer. I hope I can get this working with
John's installer. It looks very promising.
> The ActivePython has a Visual Studio style of IDE and may therefore be
> more attractive. Hard to judge that also.
>
>
> I think the current install process is good. It was the first time I
> encountered an
Regards,
Arjan