Hi all,

I've been subbed to lem lists for some years and since the  
introduction of Leopard, have
been watching the various woes of people who upgraded... and now, I  
am full of woe
and in need of help.

My machine is a 17" G4 1.33 MHz PB with 1.5 GB RAM which was using OS  
10.4.11.

I received a beautifully packaged Leopard DVD on Friday and proceeded  
to do an
upgrade installation. Everything seemed to go well and got to the  
"restart your computer
screen to complete installation". The machine restarted and I had a  
fast glimpse of the set
up mode and then that changed and continued opening to the desktop  
file. The desktop image was what
I had been using, so this indicated to me that the installation kept  
my previous settings.
I think that what happened next was that the registration app opened
up and I filled out the form for apple and I believe that it went  
through. I cant remember
what I did next, if anything, and I got a black background message  
with white type in
several languages asking me to restart my computer and it instantly  
froze. It wouldn't
restart by itself so I restarted after waiting a bit. I did this  
several times and at one point got to the
desktop. The first time I noticed that airport was off and I had to  
turn it back on and select
my network, which when I selected it, it froze with the same restart  
message. I went through
several restart trys all ending in a freeze with the same message. I  
zapped the PRAM and
was able to get around and again turn on airport and try to  
reconnect... when it froze again.

Sorry for this long story... I then decided to install Leopard onto a  
large FW external
drive, which I did. I was successful and was able to copy all my  
apps, their prefs and files
necessary for them to open onto the FWHD. I also copied over gigs
of photos, pictures and other documents. All this took lots of time.  
My intention was to
then wipe the internal drive and do a clean install. I took a break  
to sleep and get back
next day to complete the job. When I reopened the computer it started  
up in the external
drive and... zap! The error message, the hateful transparent black  
restart message came
on and the machine froze. I then started up with the Leopard DVD and  
wiped the hard
drive, did the clean install and wow, all was OK. The setup app  
opened I and went through
that. I copied my apps back from the FWD to the machine carefully,  
one by one trying
them out... everything worked. I spent the day setting up the machine  
to my liking and
did some travel around the internet. I was even able to wipe the FWHD  
and set it up as the
TimeMacine backup disk. It did a successful complete back up which  
took a lot of time.
Next day, today, I restarted the machine and guess what. The nasty  
message and a freeze.
Zapping the PRAM bought me a little time but it froze again. Now I'm  
at a loss. I never spent any time
trying to use Terminal and I am out of ideas. This machine was rock  
steady, and I don't
remember it ever crashing. I'm using my old 15" G4, 800 MHz machine  
to send this message.

Help! Please.

Dan_A

At 7:25 PM -0400 7/12/2008, Dan Auerbach wrote:

That's a kernel panic.  The core of OS X failed in such a way that it
couldn't recover, so it rolled up its eyes and fell over.

Use Console.app to look at /Library/Logs/panic.log to see what died.

- Dan.
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- Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth

After you installed 10.5, did you run software update?

There are several patches and driver updates that dramatically improve  
stability - sounds like you are having a hardware driver issue.

Eric

Sometimes Leopard issues have been cured with a successful boot in  
'safe mode'. This eliminates non essential items and runs several  
maintenance routines.
Try holding the Shift key when you start. Once the machine has  
started you should be able to restart and have everything working as  
expected.

John

On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Eric Eskam wrote:

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I'm not aging... I'm just ripening to perfection!

Dan, Eric and John,

Thanks for your replies. I was able to run the software update when I did a
clean install... it was about 500 megs, I copied back my user files and apps
successfully as well and was even able to set up TimeMachine which backed up
the entire computer. When I tried to restart the kernel panic appeared again
and  froze the machine. I wasn't able to restart from the installer disk or
even the original os installer disk that came with the machine. Starting in
Safe mode helped a great deal... unfortunately restarts result in a kernel
panic... but while in safe mode I was able to load and restart from the
Leopard install disk and did an install onto the FW external. Now I can
start  and run the machine from the FW drive. I was also able to collect
the panic reports. Does anyone understand this stuff. I can include the
original and the last report in an email if someone can tell me if there's
anything that can be done. I'm just afraid that when I dragged my files to
the original empty FW drive that I may have taken error code with them or
that TimeMachine did a backup that includes the kernel panic code.

dan_A
<http://web.mac.com/danauerbach>
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At 3:25 PM -0400 7/15/2008, Dan A wrote:

You mean you're stable while in Safe Mode, booted from your internal
drive, but you panic when you boot fully?

And are you stable while running off the firewire drive?

If you want, zip 'em up and email them to me.  I'll take a look.

- Dan.
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- Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth

At 9:22 PM -0400 7/15/2008, Dan Auerbach wrote:

StuffIt.  *shudder*   Move to zip and/or tar.  StuffIt is yesterday's
technology buggy today.

Got em.

Almost all show the crash occurred within at.obdev.KUC.  obdev.at is
Objective Development - the authors of Little Snitch, LaunchBar, etc.
Do you have one of their products installed?  If so, remove it.  See
if that stabilizes things.

http://obdev.at/index.html

HTH,
- Dan.
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- Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth