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  <description>Low End Mac&amp;#39;s group for those using Macs designed around G3, G4, and G5 CPUs, with a particular focus on the Power Macintosh models. We have a separate group, Mac mini list, that covers all versions of the Mac mini. We have another group, iMac list, that covers all eMacs and iMacs.</description>
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  <title>Re: MAC Instead of Computer Name in Router Device List?</title>
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  Can installing a version of netatalk resolve any of the shortcomings &lt;br&gt; -- i.e. does it add any functionality for those on 10.5 or later in &lt;br&gt; regards to speaking to something like a SE30 on Mac OS 7 or OS9?
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  turn...@gmail.com
  (turn)
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  <pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 18:05:42 UT
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  <title>Re: Best wireless card for a G5?</title>
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  We have an Intel G5 and several G4s. The Intel unit and the old eMac both &lt;br&gt; see and use our cable supplied Netgear modem, however the other G4s will &lt;br&gt; only communicate to a Cisco router, one the Canon wireless printer doesn&#39;t &lt;br&gt; recognize. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;It&#39;s not a major problem but it would be good to get them all on the same
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  rfaulkne...@gmail.com
  (Roger Faulkner)
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  <pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 10:01:15 UT
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  <title>Re: G4 450 x2 Video</title>
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  Apologies: this was posted *before* the subsequent replies had estalished &lt;br&gt; that the monitor was okay. It got held up (for moderation?), so appeared &lt;br&gt; much later than it should have. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br&gt; Mike | &amp;lt;&lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://koralatov.com&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt; 15.4&amp;quot; &#39;Penryn&#39; MacBook Pro 2.66 | 20&amp;quot; iMac G4 &lt;br&gt; &#39;Key Lime&#39; iBook G3 466 | G4 Cube 500
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  li...@koralatov.com
  (Koralatov)
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  <pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 09:44:48 UT
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  <title>Can&#39;t burn disc skipped operation.</title>
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  I have a G5 Dual 2.7 with 10.5.8 and when I try to burn a DVD with disk Utility I get an error that states &amp;quot;can&#39;t burn disc user skipped operation&amp;quot; I can burn using Toast 7, 8, and 10. The burners I have are Pioneer 118L . Anyone else seen this? &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;John Carmonne &lt;br&gt; Yorba Linda CA &lt;br&gt; 92886 USA &lt;br&gt; MacBook Pro i7
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  carmo...@aol.com
  (John Carmonne)
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  <pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 01:05:04 UT
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  <title>Re: G4 450 x2 Video</title>
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  Agreed: that&#39;s almost certainly an issue with your monitor rather than the &lt;br&gt; GFX card itself. Try the calibration route first, and if that doesn&#39;t fix &lt;br&gt; it, the problem is possibly a failing backlight. &lt;br&gt; If it turns out that it *is* the GFX card dying, I think I have a &lt;br&gt; spare Rage 128 lying around that was pulled from my Cube. You&#39;re welcome
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  li...@koralatov.com
  (Koralatov)
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  <pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 20:30:11 UT
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  <title>Re: G4 450 x2 Video</title>
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  Try swapping the connections at the video card. See if the darkness moves to the Intel Mac. If it does it&#39;s the KVM or video cable. If not it&#39;s the settings on the video card.
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  cm...@sonic.net
  (Clark Martin)
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  <pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 01:03:06 UT
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  <title>Re: G4 450 x2 Video</title>
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  yeah that would be my next thought, but graphic card signals are digital, not analog, you can&#39;t switch between Black and Gray without a different digital signal. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Try connecting it directly to the monitor instead of through the KVM. That would be the quickest test. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br&gt; Bruce Johnson &lt;br&gt; University of Arizona
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  john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
  (Bruce Johnson)
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  <pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 21:27:08 UT
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  <title>Re: G4 450 x2 Video</title>
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  Tried recalibration - no change &lt;br&gt; Monitor is hooked up to 2 computers via a Dr Bott KVM switch &amp;amp; the &lt;br&gt; monitor looks fine in the newer Intel Mac. &lt;br&gt; Maybe I should jiggle the KVM connections?
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  chris...@fuse.net
  (M Christol)
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  <pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 16:52:30 UT
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  <title>Re: symbols for option, control, etcc....</title>
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  It&#39;s a PITA to get to it, but, in Mail, for example, you can press ⌘-t to bring up the Fonts dialog, then click on the gear icon and select Characters. Then select View &#39;All Characters&#39; and go to Technical Symbols. Then you can go through them, where they&#39;re names, and the fonts containing those symbols are listed below and way down in the corner is a little &#39;insert&#39; button to insert the character into your message.
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  john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
  (Bruce Johnson)
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  <pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 19:56:55 UT
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  <title>Re: symbols for option, control, etcc....</title>
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  Reply posted at bottom . &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;______________________________ _________________ &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Fow Mac OS questions. like any other OS you can do an easy Google or other &lt;br&gt; search engine search &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;A 30 second try found this page. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br&gt; Adrian D&#39;Alessio aka; Fluxstringer
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  fluxstrin...@gmail.com
  (W.Adrian D&#39;Alessio)
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  <pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 19:40:44 UT
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  <title>Re: symbols for option, control, etcc....</title>
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  The symbols are Option=⌥ (unicode 2325), Control=⌃ (unicode 2303), &lt;br&gt; Shift=⇧ (unicode 21E7), etc.=&amp;amp;c (ampersand c), and ...=… &lt;br&gt; (horizontal ellipsis). &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;On a Mac go to System Preferences&amp;gt;International&amp;gt;Inpu t Menu tab and &lt;br&gt; check the boxes for &amp;quot;Character Palette&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Keyboard Viewer&amp;quot;. There
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  ktilfo...@cox.net
  (Kris Tilford)
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  <pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 19:39:27 UT
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  <title>Re: MAC Instead of Computer Name in Router Device List?</title>
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  At 11:42 -0700 5/25/12, Bruce Johnson wrote, and I snipped: &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;I run OS 10.3.9 on my G4. 10.4 was installed and I was shocked when it absolutely would not talk to my SE/30 file server. No warning provided. Getting back to OS 10.3 was painful. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;10.4 did support Ethertalk for use with printers. The necessary code was there but Apple deliberately disabled it for computer to computer use.
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  dougl...@macnauchtan.com
  (Doug McNutt)
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  <pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 19:11:33 UT
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  <title>symbols for option, control, etcc....</title>
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  What are the symbols for Option, Control, shift, etc....? &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;I see shortcuts all the time. but I don&#39;t know what those symbols mean (other than Command). &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Also, what keys do you press to type them? &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Jane
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  janespra...@comcast.net
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  <pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 18:58:37 UT
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  <title>Re: MAC Instead of Computer Name in Router Device List?</title>
  <link>http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/dd2e77611ed4d7f8/52a85a02b8514199?show_docid=52a85a02b8514199</link>
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  Per HP &amp;lt;&lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&amp;cc=us&amp;prodSeriesId=25469&amp;prodTypeId=18972&amp;objectID=c00751649#A7&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;For Win7 (and probably Vista) you need to use the &amp;quot;HP Universal Print Driver for Windows PostScript&amp;quot;, for older versions of Windows use the postscript driver here, I&#39;ll bet it works:
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  john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
  (Bruce Johnson)
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  <pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 18:42:48 UT
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  <title>Re: MAC Instead of Computer Name in Router Device List?</title>
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  Yup. 10.5 only supports AFP over TCP; the old network discovery protocols &lt;br&gt; are gone. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;I don&#39;t like it either. It feels like Trotsky getting erased out of Stalin&#39;s &lt;br&gt; photo album. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br&gt; ------------------------------ ------ personal: &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.cameronkaiser.com/&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; -- &lt;br&gt; Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.floodgap.com&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; * ckai...@floodgap.com
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  spec...@floodgap.com
  (Cameron Kaiser)
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  <pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 18:35:43 UT
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