FUR: REQ: *PLEASE* Help me with my Dragonness Commission!
Gluegun
Dragonness
This is a repost of my request, with the extra, added paragraphs in marked
with stars. It seems that my post kinda went away, as near as I can tell
using MS Outlook. :(
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If anyone is interested in doing this comission, please please please
contact me! My email address is gluegu...@hotmail.com. My ICQ # is
20276828. If anyone wants to talk on MSN Messenger or AOL IM, then I'll get
those programs so you can contact me! I NEED PEOPLE TO DO THIS. Kathmandu,
didn't you say that you wanted to do this? I think you did! Contact me!
Okay, anyone who is interested in doing this, here's the things that will
make or break my decision...I need a really really REALLY rough sketch of
the outline of the picture; just basic shapes and stuff. What is your take
on the concept, where would you put everything, etc. Also, I need to know
(you can just do a little square of each of these) how you would do the
scales, and how you would do the various reflections involved in this. If
more than one person sends me this stuff, I WILL PAY the person who does it
best! Please, I REALLY WANT THIS DONE!
Also, I go into quite some detail in this comission...but I have an
overriding priority about all of this description. Above all, I want it to
look good. This might seem obvious, but look at the text of this comission.
I give a lot of instances where reflections and colored light would be used.
If this detracts from the picture, than TAKE IT OUT. I am not an artist; I
am an author who has a really cool idea in my mind that I WILL pay GOOD
MONEY to see in paper (or on computer screen, then printed out) in front of
me. I want whoever makes this comission to use their judgement as an artist
to make calls on which of my ideas look great, and which ones suck...and I
want whoever makes this to be proud of their work. Please help me! I'm
desperate!
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I am looking for a skilled artist who is willing to do a very detailed,
colored (preferably in ink or by computer) commission of an anthromorphic
dragonness in an erotic pose for a moderate sum of money, to be sent by
money order. If you are reading this and are not this person, it would be
appreciated if you could perhaps direct me to someone who could help me. I
would greatly appreciate this. Also, I know that I repeat myself numerous
times in this document, but we can disregard that little fact, right? I knew
we could!
It should be noted that I am going to post and send this file in as many
places as is necessary until I get some satisfactory offers. I am sorry if
you consider this spamming, but can you understand how much I want this
done? I've been trying to get this thing done for, like, a year, and I feel
a little bit disgruntled at this point...
These are the details for the Tamara comission. This is an open
comission--that is, I'll be sending this text file to more than one artist,
but I'm only going to go with one artist--that is, after I decide which I
like best. Just FYI, I don't actually *WANT* a physical picture...I just
want a high quality digital picture. Maybe a high resolution tiff file?
Email me at gluegu...@hotmail.com, or ICQ me to contact me if you are
interested in doing this commission. My ICQ number is 20276828. Please give
payment details and a link to your artwork when you contact me, so I can see
what type of work you do. This character is copyright me, Jonathan "Gluegun"
K. The picture, however, is copyright whatever artist makes it, and they can
sell it or keep it or whatever...as long as they send me a digital copy,
maybe more than once, if my HD crashes...*Grin* I am willing to send a
money order (and nothing BUT a mailed money order!) of roughly $20-$30,
maybe more. However, if multiple people offer to draw this, I'm only gonna
pay for one person (of course).
Here's the details of the character and what I want:
Tamara (you say it with an accent on the first a): A relatively young (for
her species) female half-dragon/half-human, benevolent guardian of a small
European town during the Renaissance. She is a product of a male dragon and
a peasant human woman. Physically, she is fully developed.
The Picture of Tamara: She is a roughly humanoid and human sized
Anthromorphic dragoness. She's lounging on her horde of gold and jewels and
silver in her cave, all of which is inherited from her father. She's
positioned so as to accidentally showing off everything. Maybe she could be
propping herself up with one arm. The view of the picture is from the front
and the side of her, with her leaning back on the gold and arms and legs
positioned with everything (you know what I mean) shown, though not as if
she's showing it off--as if she doesn't care. She should have no hair or
fur on her body at all, she has large wings (maybe you could make the wings
semi-opaque, hmm? With the setting sun in the background shining through
one? I don't know.), she has a fairly large tail, and she is playing with
the end of her tail, or at least has it wrapped around something. The limbs
she has are two arms, two legs, a prehensile tail and two wings. (The tail
proportions should be that of a thin lizard [not a big one, like an iguana],
not thin like a cheetah). Give her a fairly humanoid body structure (i.e.,
give her a butt and everything--I very much like the basic form of a
beautiful woman; changing the basic proportions is a Bad Thing). Her
genitelia should be ever so slightly stretched wide (I don't want just a
line; that would be boring. I also don't want anything REALLY stretched
out...just stretch a little; enough to seem inviting.) Her eyes should
definitely be dragon-like (ie, the pupils should be slits, not shaped like
human eyes). Okay, I'll let you have SOME hair--give her eyelashes (not
eyebrows). *Grin*. The expression on her face should be a cross between
contentness (you can show that with the mouth), and maybe seduction (you can
show that with the eyes). I dunno what color the eyes should be, however, it
should be something that catches your attention, and contrasts well with the
other colors in the picture. Her breasts should be big enough and detailed
enough to look very beautiful and eye catching, but NOT too big; concentrate
on shape rather than size. Also, be sure to make the nipples at least
somewhat detailed. There should be ambient light from no real apparent
source, except maybe a sunset from the opening of the cave, behind her, for
adding colored light. She is a tree dragon; that means that she has always
extended claws and has green scales. The picture should be set in the
summer with a pine forest in the background of the picture, barely visible
in the opening of the cave in the far distance. Maybe you could have some
black leather skintight clothes discarded carelessly to the side in the
foreground of the picture. We could base her color and scales off of tree
snakes (i.e., it would be many interesting shades of green and turquoise
with maybe some yellow underscales...). If feasible, individual scales
should be drawn. However, if you merely create the ILLUSION that she's
completely covered with scales (without doing each individual scale; just
doing enough groups of scales to know that she's covered in them), that
would work too. The opening of the cave could be to the rear, with a sunset
in the background, and you could do a lot of cool stuff with the sunset
colors and the gold and the jewels glittering and her shiny scales
glittering in all of the ambient light, including the colored light from the
entrance. HOWEVER, do not overdo the glittery ness; it should enhance the
picture, not BE the picture. Maybe there should be a lens flair in an
unoccupied part of the picture? Perhaps put her in the middle to lower left
of the picture, and the lens flair to the upper right? Have her be the main
object of the picture; however; just have her framed by visual cues like the
clothes, the wall, the opening of the cave, and the lens flare. Have the
sun in the background, setting, right over the trees, as seen in the cave
opening. Maybe her wings could be opaque, and you could just barely see the
light of the sun through one of them? I want ambient light because I don't
really want the colored light from behind her to cast a lot of shadows like
it would do in real life...I want all of her to be seen. She should
definitely be shiny and sparkly and glittery like she's just been oiled. Her
face should be thin and look dragon-y, but not out of proportion to the
neck. Maybe she could be wearing some basic jewelry and stuff? Bracelets, a
pendant, things like that...but nothing major, just gold bands and stuff.
That would be nice.
Respectfully,
Jonathan "Gluegun" K.
Felyne32k
says...
> FUR: An Open Request for a Paid Commission of an Erotic Anthromorphic
> Dragonness
>
-Up the amount you're offering. Money talks. Often quite loudly.
-Consider paying up-front to the person who gives you the best work
sample. Most people just aren't willing to do work with the off-chance
that someone else will have done it and already been paid when they turn
it in. Then they've wasted anywhere from half an hour to many hours of
time. This is not good.
-Go to FurBid or FurBuy and look at the commissions being offered.
There's almost inevitably someone willing to do one.
-Be patient. It takes a lot of time to draw something, and most
people don't seem to realize that. I have the same problem when I desc
things. People can type 40-80 words a minute, most of the time, and
expect that a 150-200 word desc, therefore, takes maybe ten, twenty
minutes. But it's more than that. You have to get a good mental image of
what you're trying to do (I think you provided that), get a good
framework going, and wait for inspiration to strike as to how exactly to
get it to work. Commissions take time.
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-Felyne32k
Gluegun
meant to be guidelines. Please, read what I wrote closer! I said that the
overriding concept behind this is that it looks good...and I don't MIND the
artist throwing out most of what I said if it LOOKS GOOD!
Also, I *AM* going to pay (up front) whoever gives me the best "sketch"! I
also do NOT want an actual physical shipped picture! That means, that if an
artist makes this, they can STILL SELL THE PRINT. I have also already
emailed some artists about this...
I just guess I'm desperate....but is that at least understandable?
A. Seraph
I could easily do this drawing for you, but there are things I don't
understand...
1: how can the the view be from the front/side and yet show her rear view?
2: how can the view show both her chest and butt while she's in such a
position?
I propose that the view angle should be as if the camera was parallel to her
feet, and the field of vision moving across her body up towards her head.
-Seraph
A. Seraph
Gluegun <gluegu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:981ibg$b0a$1...@raccoon.fur.com...
> FUR: An Open Request for a Paid Commission of an Erotic Anthromorphic
> Dragonness
Hola;
Felyne32k
says...
> <snippage>
Oh, all this was understood. I'm just making a few suggestions I've found
helpful.
And being desperate is also understood. I've been there.
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-Felyne32k
DarkSilver
Here's a quick sketchie for ya, that's how I do my dragons. I do a lot of
dragons. You get a lil bit only, an it's not all done yet, it's a sample. You
can decide yes or no, just thought you might want to see mine. Mmmkay? Yeaah, I
bit.
Gluegun wrote:
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-To achieve the impossible dream, try going to sleep.
-Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.
-Lead me not into temptation; I can find the way myself.
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Shadow
Gluegun
>
> 2: how can the view show both her chest and butt while she's in such a
> position?
*thinks*
Uh, you could see a peek of it from the tail...just have her lounging...yea,
you're right, it needn't show that much of rear...just have her leaning
back...hmmm lessee if I can put this another way...
okay, you see this pile of gold, ya see? then, you take a flat picture of
her lying on her left side...the camera sees her front only.
then, you have her lean halfway up. then, you move the camera to the right
and up a wee bit, staying focused on her...enough to see some of the butt.
Does that work?
okay...she is lying on her left side. looking at her from the top of her
head is 12 oclock, from behind her is 3, from the front of her is 6.
we're at five or four oclock. then, we rotate the camera up about.....40
degrees?
Does that work? Or am I confusing you?
Gluegun
Wow...
How do you do scales and reflections? Could you do a square of each? about
1/4 that size is enough....I'm already really impressed...that'd be the
topping to the cake...I'm asking this of everyone, and when I get em all
together, I can figure out who's is best, and pay them...
DarkSilver
material and the light source, and the medium. Ie, is it metal? is it flesh?
is it low light, bright light, is it pencil or ink or digital color? I'll just
stick with pencil for now.
Gluegun wrote:
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Gluegun
"DarkSilver" <s.de...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3AA72CAA...@sympatico.ca...
> Sure. I do scales the traditional way. Reflections, well it depends on the
> material and the light source, and the medium. Ie, is it metal? is it
flesh?
> is it low light, bright light, is it pencil or ink or digital color? I'll
just
> stick with pencil for now.
Well, um, maybe you could reread the actual comission, and then do a small
"average" sample of the kind of texture and stuff you wouldn't mind putting
on it? I've pretty much put all of the details about what I want in the
comission (you can throw them away or modify them if you need to, like I
said before), except I want to give complete freedom for you, as an artist,
to use whatever methods you want to ACHIEVE that goal.
Then, when multiple artists give me decent samples of the methods they will
use, I will choose one and pay them...
Gluegun
Hi! What I really want is for you to color this....
That way, I can judge the rough quality of the actual final pic (ie, take
the sketch, and the textures, and mentally complete them without much work
done by the artist.) I would print out what everyone has sent me, along with
how much money they want, and spend a long hard time figuring out what to
do...so it's in your best interest to do the highest quality work that you
are willing to do for free, and then I will choose what I like best and pay
to have it completed. Does anyone like or dislike this method? Should I try
another?
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DarkSilver
give up, let someone else do it! I'm outta the race!
Gluegun wrote:
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DarkSilver
competition with other artists to do a commission. You ask a sample be submitted,
no problem. Then you ask for more. Ok, I guess...
Then you say, oh well I still want more.
I have a sneaky suspicion once that's done, you'll want yet more. Then after the
first sample, then the other two samples, then the coloring sample.....
There is a tiny chance of actually getting this commission. For a small amount of
money.
Why all this work and competition and stuff? You will get the most desperate
artist I think.
Not skilled ones. We artists are usually asked to do a commission, because the
buyer likes our work. We don't have to go through all this stuff to "prove" our
worth for a few bucks. If it's -this- hard just to get picked as the artist on
this inexpensive commission, I can't imagine how picky you'd be during it. The
artist would probably end up doing so many revisions they'd go nuts. I have a
stress headache, I'm sorry. It's just your going about this the wrong way. I keep
getting the image in my head of a small piece of meat dangling on a hook below
starving animals. *sigh*
A. Seraph
It doesn't mean that I won't do the commission, but if you want me to do it
then you will have to accept my terms. I have creative control. I have
quality control.
I don't mean to be cruel, but I've read all the email and group messages...
This is not how you get a commission done.
We are the artists. You are asking US for a service. $40 is not a lot of
money, and we won't be tripping over each other to grab at it. Plus, you
seem to want an awful LOT of precise detail. Not many artists have the
patience to adhere to a 4 paragraph description.
I suggest that you look at the artists' websites and then e-mail one of them
with your offer.
Regards;
-Seraph
Gluegun
> *sighs* Ok, I'm cool. Let me explain a bit. You are asking an artist to
get into a
> competition with other artists to do a commission. You ask a sample be
submitted,
> no problem. Then you ask for more. Ok, I guess...
> Then you say, oh well I still want more.
No. reread what I originally asked for. as for the sketch, I basically
wanted rough circles and squares and stuff...you know, in all those "how to
draw cartoons!" books, you start out with a circle with two lines in it for
a face? I want THAT as a sketch. To figure out how you would position
everything! And as for the texture and stuff...I originally said that I
wanted to know how you would do textures and colors, how it would look in
the final. Do you understand? just do a 1 cubic inch of how you plan to do
the texture of her scales, and another 1 cubic inch of how you do
reflections. I was under the assumption that asking this meant color...it
seemed like it for me. How else would I be able to see texture and
reflections without color? It just seemed like common sense!
> I have a sneaky suspicion once that's done, you'll want yet more. Then
after the
> first sample, then the other two samples, then the coloring sample.....
I want the same amount from each artist, and have always wanted the exact
same amount from each artist. Maybe it was my communication skills. I don't
know any of you as artists, and I don't know what style your work is. I
don't know what's out there. I may even decide to pay ALL OF YOU (unlikely
but possible). I just need to get an idea to use my imagination for how you
will do this piece! I want quality, and maybe my methods are unorthodox, but
I am willing to pay, and I don't know that much about furry artist's and
stuff, so that is why I am doing a submission-based open commission. To
give anyone a chance who wants to do this, and to figure out who would be
the best person! I'm not a fur (no character), I just have had an oppressive
and overbearing and long-term feeling that I want this piece done!
> There is a tiny chance of actually getting this commission. For a small
amount of
> money.
> Why all this work and competition and stuff? You will get the most
desperate
> artist I think.
> Not skilled ones. We artists are usually asked to do a commission, because
the
> buyer likes our work. We don't have to go through all this stuff to
"prove" our
> worth for a few bucks. If it's -this- hard just to get picked as the
artist on
> this inexpensive commission, I can't imagine how picky you'd be during it.
The
> artist would probably end up doing so many revisions they'd go nuts. I
have a
> stress headache, I'm sorry. It's just your going about this the wrong way.
I keep
> getting the image in my head of a small piece of meat dangling on a hook
below
> starving animals. *sigh*
On the contrary. You, as the artists, are dangling it in front of me. I want
this piece of art, and I want it well done, and artists are the only people
who can supply this. All I have is my inexperience with how commissions are
done, some crazy ideas, a distinct lack of nettiquete (sorry, it's just how
I am), and money. I have money. Please reconsider?
Nick 'Singe' Bousman
When you commission an artist to draw something for you, rarely are you
commissioning an artist to draw exactly what you want down to every exact
detail. Artists aren't deterministic machines. They're not computers. Some
professional _illustrators_ have enough skill and patience to accomadate such
requests, and that's why they can make a good living doing what they do. But
that's rare in artists. When you commission an artist to draw something for
you, you are paying them to listen to you as their muse. You are paying them
to listen to an impression you give them, and paying them to take that
impression and bring it into the physical realm. You can't force a style out
of an artist. You can only choose the artist you believe has the appropriate
skill and style you're looking for, and then seeing what they can do.
Here's what you need to do:
1. Look through hundreds of different drawings of furry artwork on all the
major archives. (vcl, yerf, furnation,etc)
2. Decide which artists you like.
3. Find from that list which of these artists do comissions.
4. Mail them. Ask what you want, but ask carefully. Decide what specific
details matter most to you, and ask for them, but leave the rest up to the
artist and his/her style of drawing. The more specific details you ask for,
the less likely it is the artist will do the comission.
5. Pay them money. Let them work.
5+. Generally it isn't frowned upon, once the commission is under way, to ask
for a sketch of the drawing before it reaches latter stages of production in
order to see if they're doing something horribly wrong. This is is where the
buyer would suggest something like "actually, I was hoping on being able to
see this over here, and a bit more emphasis on that."
- Singe