Re: [FOTM:0] Digest for friends-of-thamkrabok-monastery@googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 1 Topic

[ian slevin]

jimmy how ya doin.
I take from u mail addy ur in irl. I myself as always freaked by Na but in the last week r so I started givin it a go again but this time with an open mind and without any prejudgements. (prejudgements is that even a word?) anyway. I am at a point where I just need the support n someplace to spill the contents of my messed up mind as I have noone else here to do it with NA are the lucky recipients of it all. LUCKY BASTARDS U SAY???
Sometimes u just gotta grab at what u got. about it being full of junkies. WHAT DO U THINK THIS PLACE IS??? not meaning to insult anyone practically everybody here is an EX junkie r addict of somesort. NOW Im not an NA convert Im far from it and many of their ways I clash with but as I said before its the best option I have other than a weekly visit to the counsler and i have found that there is something there that works. U just have to look around there are clean folks about n in long run I now reckon that they are the ones who keep going, you might run into the odd active user but in my experience they either clean up r get bored n stop going. plus shop around for a good meeting.  personally I wouldnt be scared of na im more scared of a habit but maybe thats just me. im not one to preach n i never would here cuz that gets under my skin noend. We all come from the same place and hopefully we r all heading to the same place also. if that make any sense. I guess allz im sayin is keep an open mind. (perhaps I shoulda just said that in the first place n saved u a few mins lols)
Im pretty new to it meself man so I cant really advise but Im in dub so look me up if u fancy catchin a meetin sometime im about. there are a good few ex TKB heads goin I was actually at one on fri just gone and there was 5 of us there so if nothing else use it as a way to keep in touch with people in irl who have been where we all have. I think thats kinda what im doin as well of graspin at anythig that might help.

anywhere thats my 10 cents worth n I dont do that alll to often but I just felt summin in what u were sayin.

Take care n hey I hope the rest of yez r doin ok.
over n out.
IANZ

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"Jimmy" <butl...@eircom.net> Nov 27 10:36PM

 
Well done.Good luck for the future.
Jimmy
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Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [FOTM:2523] Re: Friends
 
 
It's a tight rope in so many ways. I'm actually scared of NA coz I know it
will be full of junkies so I've only been once and that was back in 99. I
also disliked it coz I felt people there were either playing the victim or
were just geniunly bad people. I think addiction only goes so far as an
excuse, man there was one girl their with a string of dead and fostered out
kids and that's just alian to me. I was a junkie from 12, lived on the
streets and was a violent crimal at times but I still had a moral frame
work. So that one visit scared me off NA, however I'm going back for my
first meeting on Monday, I reckon it's a personal experience and I can't
judge others so harshly by my morality. I can still have a view but it's not
a place for that and I just wanna stay clean and after 19 months I know I
can't keep doing this alone.
 
So watch this space.....
 
Sent from my iPod
 
On 26/11/2009, at 16:23, bowerygirl <mizfit...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
i just spit me drink all ovr the pc when i read that! jeez that was
too CREEPY, being accused of not livin in reality..lols yea ive heard
that most me life,in fact planet jenni or crapear (as me da calls me
on me betr days) is a realplace for this family i dont think it was
until tonite that ive realized just how disconnected ive been with the
rest of me clan here, since the holidays are coming up an all,
tommorow actually thanksgiving is going to be the clean n sober debut
i guess u can say. im feelin the pressure a lil bit but me bro came
down a day early for a bit of moral support n to give me a wingman.
its amazing how much u get for so little,but as i was reminded by da,
they never left i checked out on them.but in the same sentence he says
past is just that past,so we move on from here.
john im learning just that these last few weeks back here, that u do
need the outside world.ive always prided meself on being the lone
wolf, in fact i would call ppl "doses" cuz that was about as much as i
could handle b4 my intolerance n arrogance would pop up n tellme it
was time to move along.very few real close friends, and now even fewer
(since i actually did distance meself from the rest of the bowery
bums) and i was ok with that until very recently when i saw just how
dangerous i was alone.im starting to see the reasons behind the rules
or should i say suggestions in NA whereas b4 i would always think how
to put me own take on it because "i was different" so they didnt apply
to me.jeez for someone who knew everything just a few months ago i
sure got ALOT to learn!
for the first time in me life im actually seeing what a gift it is to
have all u cats n the ppl around me who have gotten a lil bit farther
up the road than i have.can see everyone has the potential to show me
more or less what the next move is on the chess board if i choose to
ori can continue to fly blind alone n continue to end upon the same
dead end street. i tell ya that dead end is gettin old. Happy
thanksgiving to everyone celebrating. not much for prayers but ur all
in thoughts~jenni the bowerygirl
 
On Nov 19, 2:18 pm, John Cox <johncox2...@ymail.com> wrote:
I just wanted to make a point that I feel is really helpful when your an
recovering addict.
 
Surrounding your self with good people, clean people who care about your
best interests and who aren't corrupt. Because of my years of drug addiction
I had most of my closest and oldest friends die, and as anyone who's been
through that will know making new friendships after that is hard.
 
So my default setting is to make aquaitancies and any time they piss me off
or i feel to exposed I withdraw and return to my self or since I met my
lovely wife to be myself plus one.
 
But as time goes on I'm learning that's not healthy, it's to much pressure
on me and on my girlfriend. It's ok to trust people and in fact is
imporatant to. You just have to work out boundries.
 
You need the outside world. I heard it said by an author who'd just won a
prize "you can put out what you haven't taken in" and I think that very true
in allot of things in life. We learn from others and like books they help us
grow.
 
We just have to learn to read the right books....
 
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Tommy <tommyle...@gmail.com> Nov 27 10:59PM

 

> So watch this space.....
 
> Sent from my iPod
 
John, I got put off AA when a flustery oul fecker asked me "how long
it took me to make my wife the way she was" - I'd joined the whinging
brigade and was complaining that nothing I did seemed to satisfy her.
Nag nag nag..
 
Of course he was right. But the inner beast, the shitty committee
wasn't ready for the real truth.
 
That was nearly 20 years ago. Since then I've dropped in and out of
AA. Didn't drink, but honestly, at times AA just wasn't for me. It
was 'all them'.. I didn't do what they did. I wasnt as BAD as them,
I wasn't homeless, shoeless or family-less. I was a respectable
drunk. Hahahaha fsck me, I was still a drunk.
 
What I have picked up and hung onto is that I am a social animal. All
the faults you have, I have. I'm no different, better nor worse than
that guy over there - I'm me, and youre you. They're them. But I'm
one of them, and youre one of them and we're all one of them. Feck
it, them is 'us',,, its us :-)
 
Pick a few meetings to wet your feet with. Try to stick to one good
sound recovery meet. Letting someone in to my space is a bit hard for
me - but I did it. They accept that they'll see me for weeks on end,
then I'll drop off, and come one night here and there. Thats my
privelege.
 
One thing I remember form early on, I nevr missed a weekly step
meeting for about 2 years. Old farts knew what they were talking
about. Jaysus half the time they were talking about me :-)
 
Take care, know the favourite saying at meetings ?
Keep coming back - we'll love you till you learn to love yourself - gawwwk
 
Cheers
Tommy


 

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[Jimmy]

Thank you Ian,for reply.

I always say I haven't seen any one signing books in any of the big book stores,who has been in trouble with alcohol or drugs,who has not gone to AA or NA or what ever they are into group signing any autographs in them stores.You will get by for a while and either will go insane or do as they have done before.Dont do the Billy Crystal and annylise everything,its a waste of time energy effort....

We are seeking peace,from countless people i have spoken to through the years that is the end product we are looking for????If any one has another formula PLEASE let me know.

Oscar Wilde" ONCE SAID THERE ARE TWO TRADGEDYS IN THIS LIFE THE FIRST IS WHEN YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT,THE SECOND IS WHEN YOU DONT GET WHAT YOU WANT"I THINK THE EX DRUNK BECOMES AN EXPERT....

JIMMY

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[John Cox]

I think what you say is at the heart of why a buddhist recovery can be effective, it's finding that 3rd way between desire/craving and compleate self denial. This is effectivly the crux of what made buddhism different from the existing faith/religions at the time of the Buddha.

Coxy

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