Proving Abiogenesis - Evolutionary Dynamics
Budikka666
and biology to demonstrate evolution (called "Evolutionary Dynamics"),
has turned his attention to abiogenesis - the eruption of living
organisms from organic chemistry:
http://athome.harvard.edu/programs/evd/
There's also an article about him in the October 2008 _Scientific
American_ on page 96 where he says, "in the same way as Newton's
equations describe how any planet goes around the sun, and it doesn't
matter what the planet is made of math helps us to see what the most
crucial and interesting experiment is. It describes a chemical system
that can be built, and once it's built, you can watch the origin of
evolution."
Budikka
adman
The guy sounds like the terminator.
Bacteria from 3 billion years ago?
Get back with me when you have OBSERVABLE proof of this nonsense.
Mark K. Bilbo
Get back to us when this "god" guy shows up...
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Ghent
> A Harvard professor - Martin Nowak - known for combining mathematics
> and biology to demonstrate evolution (called "Evolutionary Dynamics"),
> has turned his attention to abiogenesis - the eruption of living
> organisms from organic chemistry:http://athome.harvard.edu/programs/evd/
>
Redefining abiogenesis, are we?
ca...@optonline.net
wrote:
Only if you don't know what it means.
adman
> adman wrote:
>> Budikka666 wrote:
>>> A Harvard professor - Martin Nowak - known for combining mathematics
>>> and biology to demonstrate evolution (called "Evolutionary
>>> Dynamics"), has turned his attention to abiogenesis - the eruption
>>> of living organisms from organic chemistry:
>>> http://athome.harvard.edu/programs/evd/
>>>
>>> There's also an article about him in the October 2008 _Scientific
>>> American_ on page 96 where he says, "in the same way as Newton's
>>> equations describe how any planet goes around the sun, and it
>>> doesn't matter what the planet is made of math helps us to see what
>>> the most crucial and interesting experiment is. It describes a
>>> chemical system that can be built, and once it's built, you can
>>> watch the origin of evolution."
>>>
>>> Budikka
>>
>> The guy sounds like the terminator.
>>
>> Bacteria from 3 billion years ago?
>>
>> Get back with me when you have OBSERVABLE proof of this nonsense.
>
> Get back to us when this "god" guy shows up...
Why can't you see much of that is speculation?
Kenny McCormack
adman <gr...@hotmail.ett> wrote:
...
>> Get back to us when this "god" guy shows up...
>
>Why can't you see much of that is speculation?
It (the gawd stuff) is ALL speculation.
Glad we agree on that.
Mark K. Bilbo
"God" is speculation?
Well, yeah...
johac
<0b210500-0277-46a9...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net> wrote:
> A Harvard professor - Martin Nowak - known for combining mathematics
> and biology to demonstrate evolution (called "Evolutionary Dynamics"),
> has turned his attention to abiogenesis - the eruption of living
> organisms from organic chemistry:
> http://athome.harvard.edu/programs/evd/
Intereasting. I liked the joke at the start about the sheep.
>
> There's also an article about him in the October 2008 _Scientific
> American_ on page 96 where he says, "in the same way as Newton's
> equations describe how any planet goes around the sun, and it doesn't
> matter what the planet is made of math helps us to see what the most
> crucial and interesting experiment is. It describes a chemical system
> that can be built, and once it's built, you can watch the origin of
> evolution."
>
> Budikka
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Budikka666
We've been providing evidence in response to your every message.
WE'RE STILL WAITING TO SEE EVEN A HINT OF AN IOTA OF EVIDENCE FROM
YOU.
We're done proving. It's your turn.
What objective evidence do you have that there even is any god to
begin with? If there's no god, there cannot be a creator god.
It's that simple.
Budikka
Budikka666
Get fucked Chicken Jabriol. When you can answer the questions I asked
you two years ago and support your answers, then I'll give you the
time of day. Until then you're not worth even this response.
Got it?
Budikka
Budikka666
Why can't you see that every message you post is the most juvenile ,
blind, gullible, idiotic, unsupported speculation we've ever seen?
Everything we post on evolution is supported by 150 years of solid
scientific research. It's that simple. When are you going to admit
to that?
Everything you say is made up on the spot out of mythology and has
absolutely ZERO support. You already admitted to that.
When you can see that, when you can see the massive disjunction
between the Evolution position and your baseless claims, then we'll
give you the time of day. Until then, from this point on, all I'm
going to give you is realistic challenges to meet, tough questions to
answer, and endless insults when you inevitably run from me.
Masked Avenger
Stromatolites ..... we have shitloads of them here in Oz ......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromatolite
so .... are you going to admit now that you're an illiterate moron
....... or just go on proving it with every post ....
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Does Schrödinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
adman
[] and endless insults when you inevitably run from me.
>
> It's that simple.
>
Which is all you really want to do, right?
My evidences are based in history which is older then your 150 yo religion.
So far, there is nothing recorded in history of anyone observing evolution
happening.
So the study of old bones is a guess (period, EOD)
adman
God is within you. God is everything you see. If science were ALL THAT it
should have no problem proving God.
Tim Miller
> Budikka666 wrote:
>
> [] and endless insults when you inevitably run from me.
>> It's that simple.
>>
>
> Which is all you really want to do, right?
>
> My evidences are based in history
You don't HAVE any evidence. You have MYTH.
> which is older then your 150 yo religion.
What "150 year old religion" would that be?
> So far, there is nothing recorded in history of anyone observing evolution
> happening.
Uhh, bullshit.
> So the study of old bones is a guess (period, EOD)
No, it isn't. Sorry.
Tim Miller
Sorry. All that's "within me" is guts, and blood and other
icky stuff. No gods. I looked.
> God is everything you see.
Uhh, no, your god is a mental crutch that primitive man used
to explain things he didn't understand.
> If science were ALL THAT it should have no problem proving God.
"Science" doesn't care about your god any more than it cares
about the Easter Bunny.
Mark K. Bilbo
Which reduces the word "god" to utter meaninglessness...
(I mean, more than before)
cactus
Then why are you so preoccupied with trying to pontificate science out
of existence?
adman
Did we learn a new word today? <g>
I do not desire to pontificate science out of existence. Real science is for
the good of manking. Junk science is Junk.
Although i doubt you can understand the difference
cactus
<snip>
adman
YOU toot your horn how smart you are and how dumb i am. You should be able
to figure it out.
cactus
one should never provide a rationalization for someone else's assertion.
It is best to let them spell it out. Sometimes they are bluffing.
So explain it.
Budikka666
> Budikka666 wrote:
>
> [] and endless insults when you inevitably run from me.
>
>
>
> > It's that simple.
>
> Which is all you really want to do, right?
>
> My evidences are based in history which is older then your 150 yo religion.
I keep asking you to bring that "evidence" for debate. YOU KEEP
RUNNING AWAY.
I wonder why?
> So far, there is nothing recorded in history of anyone observing evolution
> happening.
LIE! Evolution is a fact. It's been directly observed in the lab and
in the wild. Even if it had not, the fossil record is more than
enough to confirm it beyond any reasonable doubt. Even if there were
no fossil record and no transitional fossils, there is still
overwhelming evidence for evolution as the science of genetics
confirms more and more each day.
It really is that simple.
Now I'm tired of your vacuous assertions. Do you have evidence or
not? If so, bring it on and let's see it. Otherwise shut the fuck up
LYING, already. We've heard gazillions of your lies. How about some
of this evidence you claim right here to have? Huh? Where is it?
Let's see it. Or admit this is yet another Chicken Adman Patented
LIE.
Budikka
Ghent
> On Sep 20, 11:37 am, Ghent <jabr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 20, 9:10 am, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> > > A Harvard professor - Martin Nowak - known for combining mathematics
> > > and biology to demonstrate evolution (called "Evolutionary Dynamics"),
> > > has turned his attention to abiogenesis - the eruption of living
> > > organisms from organic chemistry:http://athome.harvard.edu/programs/evd/
>
> > > Budikka
>
> > Redefining abiogenesis, are we?
>
>
> Budikka
Ad hominen attack yet again? Your argument is lost..
Maybe not since you never had an argument from the start.
Abiogenesis is life from non life.
Ever heard of Louis Pasteur?
There is no evidence per the scientific method of abiogenesis.
As always, I leave you foaming out your blowhole and dribbling on your
keyboard
DuhIdiot
a keyboard:
> On Sep 21, 9:50 am, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> On Sep 20, 11:37 am, Ghent <jabr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sep 20, 9:10 am, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > A Harvard professor - Martin Nowak - known for combining
>> > > mathematics and biology to demonstrate evolution (called
>> > > "Evolutionary Dynamics"), has turned his attention to abiogenesis
>> > > - the eruption of living organisms from organic
>> > > chemistry:http://athome.harvard.edu/programs/evd/
>>
>> > > Budikka
>>
>> > Redefining abiogenesis, are we?
>>
>> Get ----- SSSSSSSSSSSSSSNNNNNNNNNNNNNNIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
>>
>> Budikka
>
> Ad hominen attack yet again? Your argument is lost..
>
> Maybe not since you never had an argument from the start.
>
> Abiogenesis is life from non life.
Reproduction is life from non-life. Metabolism is life from non-life. You
hiding a point somewhere in all this smoke you're blowing?
> Ever heard of Louis Pasteur?
>
> There is no evidence per the scientific method of abiogenesis.
Every single organism comes to be via non-living matter undergoing
organic chemistry. Why should we crazily assume the first organisms were
magically different?
> As always, I leave you foaming out your blowhole and dribbling on your
> keyboard
Pray harder. Maybe somebody will finally discover life being created by
magic. Until then, we the sane will believe what nature tells us: it's
mindless chemistry all the way down.
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John Baker
wrote:
>On Sep 21, 9:50 am, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> On Sep 20, 11:37 am, Ghent <jabr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sep 20, 9:10 am, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > A Harvard professor - Martin Nowak - known for combining mathematics
>> > > and biology to demonstrate evolution (called "Evolutionary Dynamics"),
>> > > has turned his attention to abiogenesis - the eruption of living
>> > > organisms from organic chemistry:http://athome.harvard.edu/programs/evd/
>>
>> > > Budikka
>>
>> > Redefining abiogenesis, are we?
>>
>> Get ----- SSSSSSSSSSSSSSNNNNNNNNNNNNNNIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
>>
>> Budikka
>
>Ad hominen attack yet again? Your argument is lost..
Pointing out that you are an idiot isn't an ad hom, Skippy. It's just
a simple observation.
>
>Maybe not since you never had an argument from the start.
>
>Abiogenesis is life from non life.
>
>Ever heard of Louis Pasteur?
Yes. He did an experiment that falsified the *religious* idea of
spontaneous generation.
>
>There is no evidence per the scientific method of abiogenesis.
If abiogenesis weren't a fact, you wouldn't be here flaunting your
stupidity.
And I wouldn't be here laughing at it.
>
>As always, I leave you foaming out your blowhole and dribbling on your
>keyboard
As always, you make a complete fool of yourself and then run away.
adman
Budikka... Budikka,,, Budikka... be reasonable. [sigh]
There is nothing recorded in history by anyone, anywhere, observing
evolution. Surly in the thousands upon thousands of years of recorded
history, someone, somewhere would have noticed evolution happening, dontcha
think? Some of the greatest minds through out the history of the WORLD are
on record having written history from A to Z --->but there is zero
information mentioned by any of them regarding evolution.---> Nothing.
The proof is in the texts dear. There is nothing, nadda, el-zippo; There is
nothing anywhere in history that says anything regarding evolution.
You can hand wave, you can knee jerk, you can even spin your head around
while spitting up pea soup and cursing God. There is nothing anywhere in
recorded history regarding evolution. My evidences are based in history
which is older then your 150 year old evolution theory.
How simple can THAT be? I have thousands of years of recorded history on my
side. You have 150 years of speculation and chirping crickets from history
on your side.
There is NO mention of evolution until the last 150 years---- which is when
evolution was MADE UP and then supported by cult like fools.
Simple really.
adman
!! ROFL
damn. I just spewed coke all over my keyboard.
The reply should be quite entertaining.
davidwg
Funny that as I do not recall much historical discussion of nuclear
physics or aeroplanes but we have nuclear power stations and we have
all flown in aeroplanes! The fact that people throughout most of
history were ignorant of the many scientific discoveries made in the
last 150 years does not validate their ignorance. Clinging to a iron
age myth and various fairy stories for which there is not even a shred
of evidence only confirms the stupidity and gullibility of the
faithful.
Sanity's Little Helper
> There is nothing recorded in history by anyone, anywhere, observing
> evolution.
Ever heard of Drosophila? Can you say "speciation"?
Can you reply without quote-mining?
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"adman" <gr...@hotmail.ett> wrote in message
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> You can hand wave, you can knee jerk, you can even spin your head around
> while spitting up pea soup and cursing God. There is nothing anywhere in
> recorded history regarding evolution. My evidences are based in history
> which is older then your 150 year old evolution theory.
Our evidence is older than your evidence.
By several orders of magnitude, in fact.
In the general scheme of things, your few thousand years of recorded history
are merely the blink of an eye. Your claim is the equivalent of writing a
biography based on the last single minute of a man's life.
adman
What an utter failure of an analogy.
Plants and animals were around to be observed by historians and the great
minds of their day. Therefore they COULD write about such things.
Nuclear physics and aeroplanes had not been invented yet to be observed by
historians and the great minds of their day. Therefore they could NOT write
about such things.
See the difference? I doubt it. Schools do not teach much these days.
And for your info, God and the concepts of God were written about long
before and long after the "iron age"
The only stupidity and gullibility taking place are the poor students
getting 1/2 of an edcuation in the so called modern western socities today,
while their parents pay twice as much for it.
adman
> Sadact <gr...@hotmail.ett> barked:
>
>> There is nothing recorded in history by anyone, anywhere, observing
>> evolution.
>
> Ever heard of Drosophila? Can you say "speciation"?
>
> Can you reply without quote-mining?
Whap part of "nothing recorded in history by anyone, anywhere, observing
evolution." was so hard to grasp?
Tim Miller
The part where you continue to ignore all the actual EVIDENCE to
the contrary.
Mark K. Bilbo
Except that it's been observed many times.
You really should try learning something for once...
Mark K. Bilbo
And when they did, assman got real, real upset...
Budikka666
1. Bring your positive science *for* creation
OR
2. Bring your negative science *against* evolution
OR
3. SHUT THE FUCK UP
Can you not understand even that simple a choice, COWARD?
Budikka
Budikka666
> There is nothing recorded in history by anyone, anywhere, observing
> evolution.
LIAR:
666 items of evidence for macroevolution:
Example 1: http://tinyurl.com/dxqjc
Example 2: http://tinyurl.com/d4376
Example 3: http://tinyurl.com/d5vqm
Example 4: http://tinyurl.com/dmbxj
Example 5: http://tinyurl.com/cy7r7
Example 6: http://tinyurl.com/dj9sh
Example 7: http://tinyurl.com/aplxu
Example 8: http://tinyurl.com/clpsx
Examples 9-539: http://tinyurl.com/cy9m2
Example 540: http://tinyurl.com/dsjku
Example 541: http://tinyurl.com/bhxw2
Example 542: http://tinyurl.com/77tyl
Example 543: http://tinyurl.com/bpdqm
Example 544: http://tinyurl.com/czsdq
Example 545: http://tinyurl.com/9qnrc
Example 546: http://tinyurl.com/dxg8s
Example 547: http://tinyurl.com/88kch
Example 548: http://tinyurl.com/88kch (shared with 547 thread)
Example 549: http://tinyurl.com/ccw8y
Example 550: http://tinyurl.com/7cxsz
Example 551: http://tinyurl.com/74o4q
Examples 552-577: http://tinyurl.com/7u8lv
Example 578: http://tinyurl.com/9xo8o
Example 579: http://tinyurl.com/avzzk
Example 580: http://tinyurl.com/7segx
Example 581: http://tinyurl.com/8c8od
Example 582: http://tinyurl.com/9voan
Example 583: http://tinyurl.com/76zao (misnumbered as 582)
Example 584: http://tinyurl.com/crzmz
Example 585: http://tinyurl.com/exagp
Examples 586-590: http://tinyurl.com/c4pea
Example 591: http://tinyurl.com/9aveh
Example 592: http://tinyurl.com/d2vmd
Example 593: http://tinyurl.com/dsg6z
Example 594: http://tinyurl.com/75rdt
Example 595: http://tinyurl.com/ak3oo
Example 596: http://tinyurl.com/anqh5
Example 597: http://tinyurl.com/89zjr
Example 598: http://tinyurl.com/9s6cq
Example 599: http://tinyurl.com/7oorv
Example 600: http://tinyurl.com/cujkx
Examples 601-608: http://tinyurl.com/bnflb
Examples 609-615: http://tinyurl.com/9pl7b
Examples 616-635: http://tinyurl.com/cqb3n
Examples 636-666: http://tinyurl.com/ay53o
Now once again, here is the challenge which you are avoiding like the
plague:
1. Bring your positive science *for* creation
OR
2. Bring your negative science *against* evolution
OR
3. SHUT THE FUCK UP
That simple enough even for your Chicken Hypocrite LIAR Adman?
Budikka
Budikka666
[snipped rest]
> Can you reply without quote-mining?
He doesn't need to do anything other than what he's doing -
distracting everyone, every day, from the bare fact that he cannot
support a single thing he asserts.
It's that simple. That's his game. He plays *exactly* the same game
every other creationist plays. It's all they have: hand-waving,
mirrors and smoke, sleight of hand, mis-direction, outright LYING,
hypocrisy, and endless vacuous assertion.
Don't play his game. Keep slamming him with his complete impotence
and vacuity. That's all there is to it.
We've answered all of his questions and challenges many times over,
yet he keeps re-wording them and repeating them.
Don't play his game.
Ask him for his evidence, then watch him demonstrate quite admirably
what a lovely clean pair of heels he has.
It was in March this year. In a thread that began as "An Opportunity
for Intelligent Design to be Scientific", I posted a long message from
which adman fled. The message title was "Sadman Demonstrates his
Profound Ignorance of Science" (and indeed he did!).
Instead of addressing what I wrote, adman responded solely with this:
"When you admit that the big bang is moot because the singularity
cannot be proven, THEN i will debate your other topics in full and in
public."
I responded on March 30th with "I admit that the big bang is moot
because the singularity cannot be proven." and retitled the thread
"Adman-Budikka debate Begins".
Adman responded the next day with "She wins. I loose. Good by." and
that was that! That's proof beyond any shadow of a doubt that adman
is a coward, a hypocrite and a liar (as well as functionally
illiterate, which probably explains why he knows squat about evolution
- or even creation for that matter).
The thread is here:
http://tinyurl.com/5s6kdu
Enjoy.
Budikka
chibiabos
<gr...@hotmail.ett> wrote:
> There is nothing recorded in history by anyone, anywhere, observing
> evolution.
Liar.
-chib
--
Member of SMASH
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adman
I notice you did not address one single point of my post.
Which makes you the coward dear.
adman
666 items yet not one of them address my post.
WHY is that?
Oh thats right. You can't.
The Black Goat With A Thousand Young
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> On Sep 21, 9:50 am, Budikka666 wrote:
>> On Sep 20, 11:37 am, Ghent wrote:
>> > On Sep 20, 9:10 am, Budikka666 wrote:
>>
>> > > A Harvard professor - Martin Nowak - known for combining mathematics
>> > > and biology to demonstrate evolution (called "Evolutionary
>> > > Dynamics"), has turned his attention to abiogenesis - the eruption
>> > > of living organisms from organic
>> > > chemistry:http://athome.harvard.edu/programs/evd/
>>
>> > > Budikka
>>
>> > Redefining abiogenesis, are we?
>>
>> Get ----- SSSSSSSSSSSSSSNNNNNNNNNNNNNNIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
>>
>> Budikka
>
> Ad hominen attack yet again? Your argument is lost..
>
> Maybe not since you never had an argument from the start.
>
> Abiogenesis is life from non life.
>
> Ever heard of Louis Pasteur?
>
> There is no evidence per the scientific method of abiogenesis.
>
> As always, I leave you foaming out your blowhole and dribbling on your
> keyboard
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> Budikka666 wrote:
> > A Harvard professor - Martin Nowak - known for combining mathematics
> > and biology to demonstrate evolution (called "Evolutionary Dynamics"),
> > has turned his attention to abiogenesis - the eruption of living
> > organisms from organic chemistry:
> >http://athome.harvard.edu/programs/evd/
>
> > American_ on page 96 where he says, "in the same way as Newton's
> > equations describe how any planet goes around the sun, and it doesn't
> > matter what the planet is made of math helps us to see what the most
> > crucial and interesting experiment is. It describes a chemical system
> > that can be built, and once it's built, you can watch the origin of
> > evolution."
>
> > Budikka
>
> The guy sounds like the terminator.
>
> Bacteria from 3 billion years ago?
>
> Get back with me when you have OBSERVABLE proof of this nonsense.
Devils Advocaat
Which "god" guy would be suitable?
>
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>
> "Climb out of your holes people!"
>
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>
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Yap
> Budikka666 wrote:
> > On Sep 22, 10:19 pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.ett> wrote:
> >> There is nothing recorded in history by anyone, anywhere, observing
> >> evolution.
>
> > LIAR:
> > 666 items of evidence for macroevolution:
> > Example 1:http://tinyurl.com/dxqjc
> > Example 2:http://tinyurl.com/d4376
> > Example 3:http://tinyurl.com/d5vqm
> > Example 4:http://tinyurl.com/dmbxj
> > Example 5:http://tinyurl.com/cy7r7
> > Example 6:http://tinyurl.com/dj9sh
> > Example 7:http://tinyurl.com/aplxu
> > Example 8:http://tinyurl.com/clpsx
> > Examples 9-539:http://tinyurl.com/cy9m2
> > Example 540:http://tinyurl.com/dsjku
> > Example 541:http://tinyurl.com/bhxw2
> > Example 542:http://tinyurl.com/77tyl
> > Example 543:http://tinyurl.com/bpdqm
> > Example 544:http://tinyurl.com/czsdq
> > Example 545:http://tinyurl.com/9qnrc
> > Example 546:http://tinyurl.com/dxg8s
> > Example 547:http://tinyurl.com/88kch
> > Example 549:http://tinyurl.com/ccw8y
> > Example 550:http://tinyurl.com/7cxsz
> > Example 551:http://tinyurl.com/74o4q
> > Examples 552-577:http://tinyurl.com/7u8lv
> > Example 578:http://tinyurl.com/9xo8o
> > Example 579:http://tinyurl.com/avzzk
> > Example 580:http://tinyurl.com/7segx
> > Example 581:http://tinyurl.com/8c8od
> > Example 582:http://tinyurl.com/9voan
All the items listed by Budikka refuted you clearly.
Yet you evade and claim otherwise.
Yap
> Budikka666 wrote:
> >> Budikka666 wrote:
> >>> and biology to demonstrate evolution (called "Evolutionary
> >>> Dynamics"), has turned his attention to abiogenesis - the eruption
> >>> of living organisms from organic chemistry:
> >>>http://athome.harvard.edu/programs/evd/
>
> >>> There's also an article about him in the October 2008 _Scientific
> >>> American_ on page 96 where he says, "in the same way as Newton's
> >>> equations describe how any planet goes around the sun, and it
> >>> doesn't matter what the planet is made of math helps us to see what
> >>> the most crucial and interesting experiment is. It describes a
> >>> chemical system that can be built, and once it's built, you can
> >>> watch the origin of evolution."
>
> >>> Budikka
>
> >> The guy sounds like the terminator.
>
> >> Bacteria from 3 billion years ago?
>
> >> Get back with me when you have OBSERVABLE proof of this nonsense.
>
>
> > WE'RE STILL WAITING TO SEE EVEN A HINT OF AN IOTA OF EVIDENCE FROM
> > YOU.
>
> > We're done proving. It's your turn.
>
> > What objective evidence do you have that there even is any god to
> > begin with? If there's no god, there cannot be a creator god.
>
> > It's that simple.
>
> > Budikka
>
> should have no problem proving God.
If god is within all of us, then our refute to you means you are the
traitor of your god, right?
If god is everything that you see, that means you are seeing god
refuting you, right?
You must be a outcast, stupid loon.
Yap
> cactus wrote:
> > adman wrote:
> >> cactus wrote:
> >>> out of existence?
>
> >> Did we learn a new word today? <g>
> >> I do not desire to pontificate science out of existence. Real
> >> science is for the good of manking. Junk science is Junk.
>
> >> Although i doubt you can understand the difference
>
> > So explain it.
>
> > <snip>
>
> YOU toot your horn how smart you are and how dumb i am. You should be able
> to figure it out.
So, since you are so dumb by your own admission, then figuring out for
you would not be useful.
Yap
Asshole,
Then there is some thing that you can't even define, yet can "poof"
the dust into male human?
But cannot "poof" dust into a woman?
And you don't have a brain to ask why?
duke
wrote:
It's your imagination, bud the dud.
The Dukester, American-American
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Budikka666
> I notice you did not address one single point of my post.
You want to go there? You want me to list the literal SCORES of
threads you've run from?
You want me to list exactly how many times you've been asked to
support your claims - requests from which you've repeatedly fled?
You want me to list all the threads where I've repeatedly, and in
detail, and with supportive science answered your idiotic and ignorant
questions and challenges in detail and then requested tit-for-tat from
you only to see you RUN AWAY?
I done with playing your games. You have only these options. Deal
with it or be recognized the world over for the colossal and vacuous
coward and LYING ignorant hypocrite that you are.
It's your choice.
Once again, here are your options:
1. Bring your positive science *for* a creation.
OR
2. Bring your negative science *against* evolution.
OR
3. SHUT THE FUCK UP with your endless unsupported LIES.
Got it?
Budikka
Budikka666
> Budikka666 wrote:
> > On Sep 22, 10:19 pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.ett> wrote:
> >> There is nothing recorded in history by anyone, anywhere, observing
> >> evolution.
>
> > LIAR:
> > 666 items of evidence for macroevolution:
> > Example 1:http://tinyurl.com/dxqjc
> > Example 2:http://tinyurl.com/d4376
> > Example 3:http://tinyurl.com/d5vqm
> > Example 4:http://tinyurl.com/dmbxj
> > Example 5:http://tinyurl.com/cy7r7
> > Example 6:http://tinyurl.com/dj9sh
> > Example 7:http://tinyurl.com/aplxu
> > Example 8:http://tinyurl.com/clpsx
> > Examples 9-539:http://tinyurl.com/cy9m2
> > Example 540:http://tinyurl.com/dsjku
> > Example 541:http://tinyurl.com/bhxw2
> > Example 542:http://tinyurl.com/77tyl
> > Example 543:http://tinyurl.com/bpdqm
> > Example 544:http://tinyurl.com/czsdq
> > Example 545:http://tinyurl.com/9qnrc
> > Example 546:http://tinyurl.com/dxg8s
> > Example 547:http://tinyurl.com/88kch
> > Example 549:http://tinyurl.com/ccw8y
> > Example 550:http://tinyurl.com/7cxsz
> > Example 551:http://tinyurl.com/74o4q
> > Examples 552-577:http://tinyurl.com/7u8lv
> > Example 578:http://tinyurl.com/9xo8o
> > Example 579:http://tinyurl.com/avzzk
> > Example 580:http://tinyurl.com/7segx
> > Example 581:http://tinyurl.com/8c8od
> > Example 582:http://tinyurl.com/9voan
You requested evidence of evolution. I gave you SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY
SIX items. Now I'm done answering your questions. The issue is, WHY
CAN YOU NOT ANSWER EVEN ONE OF MINE and support your answers?
Why is it that you have to repeatedly RUN AWAY from my questions to
hide behind endless, repetitive, ignorant and moronic questions you
pull out of your dumb ass?
Once again, here are your options:
1. Bring your positive science *for* a creation.
OR
2. Bring your negative science *against* evolution.
OR
Budikka666
Coward? When was the event now? Oh, I remember. It was in March
this year. In a thread that began as "An Opportunity for Intelligent
Design to be Scientific", I posted a long message from which adman
fled. The message title was "Sadman Demonstrates his Profound
Ignorance of Science" (and indeed he did!).
Instead of addressing what I wrote, adman responded solely with this:
"When you admit that the big bang is moot because the singularity
cannot be proven, THEN i will debate your other topics in full and in
public."
I responded on March 30th with "I admit that the big bang is moot
because the singularity cannot be proven." and retitled the thread
"Adman-Budikka debate Begins".
Adman responded the next day with "She wins. I loose. Good by." and
that was that! That's proof beyond any shadow of a doubt that adman
is a coward, a hypocrite and a liar (as well as functionally
illiterate, which probably explains why he knows squat about evolution
- or even creation for that matter).
The thread is here:
http://tinyurl.com/5s6kdu
Now, who is the coward? I've answered all your idiotic, ignorant
questions. I gave answers in detail, supported by science for which I
provided references. I gave answers from which you fled in terror,
unable to even pretend you could rebut, let alone refute them.
I asked you questions in return - I asked you to support your
answers. You answered none. YOU RAN AWAY every time.
Now who is the coward?
Budikka
adman
> On Sep 23, 7:36 pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.ett> wrote:
>> I notice you did not address one single point of my post.
>
> You want to go there? You want me to list the literal SCORES of
> threads you've run from?
Once again, i notice you did not address one single point of my post.
But got the bloviating thing down pat.
adman
> On Sep 23, 7:37 pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.ett> wrote:
>> Budikka666 wrote:
>>> On Sep 22, 10:19 pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.ett> wrote:
>>>> There is nothing recorded in history by anyone, anywhere, observing
>>>> evolution.
>>
>>> LIAR:
Here is something at one of your links i bet you missed. Take a look at some
real evidence:
Churches opening thier doors to help hurricane victims...... Countless
Church camps just in Arkansas housing victims.......4
Christian disaster releif agencies responding.......3 (Southern
Baptists, Catholic Charities and Salvation Army)
Number of Christain agencies in place before FEMA.... All 3
Money raised by Christian and Islamic Charities....Millions, The number
goes up daily...
Money raised by the ACLU and American Atheists combined....$0.00, this
number has remained pretty constant...no need to expect anything different
Number of ACLU Disaster releif groups ....... NONE
Number of Atheist Disaster Releif groups..... NONE
"You know, I am an atheist, but I am thinking something is wrong. I look
and see all these buses and trucks bringing in food and helping get
people out and most of them have church names on them and no one from
the American Atheists are here helping us atheists. I am also a card
carrying member of the ACLU, where are they? They are fighting prayer in
schools - something I now don't see much harm in anymore...Maybe there
is something to this God thing afterall" Bob H,
Atheist-Evolutionist(but not for long) in Louisiana
======
You know Buddika, There is no hard core, tangible evidence that I can
hold in my hand and prove God exists. Answered prayers are some proof.
The change in my life since I became a Christian is more profound proof
for me than you will ever know. I saw the outpouring of love and care
immediately after 9/11/01 and that is just some more proof. I found in
astonishing that Bible sales sored after 9/11 and atheists got on tv
whining that they have no outlet, they don't pray and all of America is
praying and they were whining because they were "left out." When I
combine my personal experiences, experiences of family and friends,
along with archeological evidence and the fact that your own science has
determined we all share a common DNA that can be traced back to one
person, I can't help but feel the weight of the totality of the
evidence. It is overwhelming to me. I still have to have faith, thats
why we call it a faith, because there is no overwhelming, one-piece-of
evidence. Why isn't there that hard core, prove it beyond a shadow of a
doubt evidence? Becuase then everyone would follow Jesus blindly and
become religious robots. God doesn't want that. You have the power to
choose and believe as you see fit. Not beleiving in God doesn't make him
go away, but it will have its consequences. You can choose to beleive in
evolution. When I look at all the scientific evidence out there, I am
amazed that more of it points to a supreme creator and yet there is none
that points to evolution. You keep pointing to some genome evidence. You
only refer to humans as 100% and chimps as 96%. Well, God made them too!
I am amazed that your only proof is some genome numbers. Thats proves
nothing what the Bible says and that is that God made all the beasts of
the land and the fowls of the air and yep Cletus, even the fishies too.
If the gnome is your proof dear, then what you got is an excellent blue
print for all life. And with just a few simple changes to the DNA, you have
an entirely new creature.
A smart design
you have been lied to by Dawkins.
Syd M.
> Budikka666 wrote:
> > On Sep 23, 7:37 pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.ett> wrote:
> >> Budikka666 wrote:
> >>> On Sep 22, 10:19 pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.ett> wrote:
> >>>> There is nothing recorded in history by anyone, anywhere, observing
> >>>> evolution.
>
> >>> LIAR:
>
> Here is something at one of your links i bet you missed. Take a look at some
> real evidence:
>
>
> you have been lied to by Dawkins.
You have just lied, period, assman.
PDW
Budikka666
When you answer two of my questions I will answer more of yours.
Until you do, I am not about to repeat for the Nth time the answers I
have already given to EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS. Go back and
look it up, Moron.
Now, once again, do you have:
1. Any positive scientific evidence at all *for* a creation?
OR
2. Any negative scientific evidence *against* evolution?
If not, then why do you continue to LIE about evolution? Why do you
think you can run from every challenge, every question, every issue
and hide from it behind yet another of your own idiotic questions,
which are no more than mindless knee-jerk repeats of questions that
have endlessly been answered by me and others?
Budikka
neo
-cut-
> Now, once again, do you have:
> 1. Any positive scientific evidence at all *for* a creation?
Neurological disorders and quantum double slit experiment. Creation
independent of religions and god even if all this mess is created by
god. Because once we bring that supreme conscious entity in science or
personal life, we get dependent on that SCE to solve all the problems.
Perhaps this is the reason why he do not allow to prove his existence.
> 2. Any negative scientific evidence *against* evolution?
There is no negative scientific evidence against evolution. It seems
that there are going to be two separate theories. One for particle i.e
matter (evolution) and other for probability wave i.e mind (creation).
Brian E. Clark
59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Ghent said...
> Abiogenesis is life from non life.
>
> Ever heard of Louis Pasteur?
Check your calendar, lunkhead.
--
-----------
Brian E. Clark
Budikka666
> Budikka666 wrote:
>
> -cut-
>
> > Now, once again, do you have:
> > 1. Any positive scientific evidence at all *for* a creation?
>
> Neurological disorders
How does that qualify as positive scientific evidence *for* a
creation?
> and quantum double slit experiment.
How does that qualify as positive scientific evidence *for* a
creation?
Creation
> independent of religions and god even if all this mess is created by
> god.
So if no god did it, then who did the creation?
> Because once we bring that supreme conscious entity in science or
> personal life, we get dependent on that SCE to solve all the problems.
Prove it.
> Perhaps this is the reason why he do not allow to prove his existence.
The point is to provide positive science *for* a creation or science
*against* evolution. You seem to have done neither. Before you can
claim there is a creation, then you need to prove there was a creator.
We're waiting.
Budikka
neo
-occam's razor-
> Before you can
> claim there is a creation, then you need to prove there was a creator.
>
> We're waiting.
Not trying to disprove evolution or prove creator. Just trying to make
sense of it all.
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/110408/full/news.2008.751.html
When hubble telescope was scanning space, computer on earth flashed
message "supernova, z~1.3, distance~11.3 billion ly" on computer
screen. I picked up phone to inform this to fellow astronomers.
But that decision to pick up phone was taken 10 seconds ago even
before light from distant supernova strike hubble telescope. That
means my brain knew that supernova is exploded 11.3 billion years ago.
And my brain knew what message computer program and hardware is going
to flash on computer screen.
John Baker
>Budikka666 wrote:
>
>-occam's razor-
>> Before you can
>> claim there is a creation, then you need to prove there was a creator.
>>
>> We're waiting.
>
>Not trying to disprove evolution or prove creator. Just trying to make
>sense of it all.
Perhaps it would be better if you'd try simply making sense before
branching out.
Budikka666
> Budikka666 wrote:
>
> -occam's razor-
>
> > Before you can
> > claim there is a creation, then you need to prove there was a creator.
>
> > We're waiting.
>
> Not trying to disprove evolution or prove creator. Just trying to make
> sense of it all.
So on September 26th, when you typed, "Creation independent of
religions and god even if all this mess is created by god.", you
weren't postulating a creator god?
That just looks like a lie to me.
> http://www.nature.com/news/2008/110408/full/news.2008.751.html
>
> When hubble telescope was scanning space, computer on earth flashed
> message "supernova, z~1.3, distance~11.3 billion ly" on computer
> screen. I picked up phone to inform this to fellow astronomers.
>
> But that decision to pick up phone was taken 10 seconds ago even
> before light from distant supernova strike hubble telescope. That
> means my brain knew that supernova is exploded 11.3 billion years ago.
> And my brain knew what message computer program and hardware is going
> to flash on computer screen.
The brain didn't make the decision before it had the information, it
made the decision after it received the information, but before you
were consciously aware of it.
You're really not going to make sense of anything if you're going to
persist in being so determinedly stupid.
Budikka
DuhIdiot
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<whatever>
I have never, despite the cliche, literally spit food or drink upon reading
something on usenet.
But seeing that you--you, neo, of all people on nobody's green Earth--had
dared to scribble that you were "making sense" of anything came as close as
anything ever has to making me spray my cereal.
--
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one glitch!
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No More
neo
Budikka666 wrote:
> On Sep 27, 7:00 am, neo <The...@live.com> wrote:
> > Budikka666 wrote:
> >
> > -occam's razor-
> >
> > > Before you can
> > > claim there is a creation, then you need to prove there was a creator.
> >
> > > We're waiting.
> >
> > Not trying to disprove evolution or prove creator. Just trying to make
> > sense of it all.
>
> So on September 26th, when you typed, "Creation independent of
> religions and god even if all this mess is created by god.", you
> weren't postulating a creator god?
>
> That just looks like a lie to me.
Lot of scientists also believe in god in personal life. But when it
comes to science, understanding this universe, they keep him aside.
Do you want proof of god or help you to solve all the problems?
And once you got proof, I don't think you will try to stand up on your
feet if injured very badly during climbing everest. You will just cry
for help from god. That is inevitable.
Lot of people are atheists only because they see lot of evil things.
Evil acts can not be reason to say that murderer does not exist at
all.
> > http://www.nature.com/news/2008/110408/full/news.2008.751.html
> >
> > When hubble telescope was scanning space, computer on earth flashed
> > message "supernova, z~1.3, distance~11.3 billion ly" on computer
> > screen. I picked up phone to inform this to fellow astronomers.
> >
> > But that decision to pick up phone was taken 10 seconds ago even
> > before light from distant supernova strike hubble telescope. That
> > means my brain knew that supernova is exploded 11.3 billion years ago.
> > And my brain knew what message computer program and hardware is going
> > to flash on computer screen.
>
> The brain didn't make the decision before it had the information, it
> made the decision after it received the information, but before you
> were consciously aware of it.
You should have find other argument because your argument refute the
experiment itself.
adman
> Budikka666 wrote:
>
>> On Sep 27, 7:00 am, neo <The...@live.com> wrote:
>>> Budikka666 wrote:
>>>
>>> -occam's razor-
>>>
>>>> Before you can
>>>> claim there is a creation, then you need to prove there was a
>>>> creator.
>>>
>>>> We're waiting.
>>>
>>> Not trying to disprove evolution or prove creator. Just trying to
>>> make sense of it all.
>>
>> So on September 26th, when you typed, "Creation independent of
>> religions and god even if all this mess is created by god.", you
>> weren't postulating a creator god?
>>
>> That just looks like a lie to me.
>
> Lot of scientists also believe in god in personal life. But when it
> comes to science, understanding this universe, they keep him aside.
>
> Do you want proof of god or help you to solve all the problems?
>
> And once you got proof, I don't think you will try to stand up on your
> feet if injured very badly during climbing everest. You will just cry
> for help from god. That is inevitable.
>
I agree neo.
> Lot of people are atheists only because they see lot of evil things.
> Evil acts can not be reason to say that murderer does not exist at
> all.
>
>>> http://www.nature.com/news/2008/110408/full/news.2008.751.html
>>>
>>> When hubble telescope was scanning space, computer on earth flashed
>>> message "supernova, z~1.3, distance~11.3 billion ly" on computer
>>> screen. I picked up phone to inform this to fellow astronomers.
>>>
>>> But that decision to pick up phone was taken 10 seconds ago even
>>> before light from distant supernova strike hubble telescope. That
>>> means my brain knew that supernova is exploded 11.3 billion years
>>> ago. And my brain knew what message computer program and hardware
>>> is going to flash on computer screen.
>>
>> The brain didn't make the decision before it had the information, it
>> made the decision after it received the information, but before you
>> were consciously aware of it.
>
> You should have find other argument because your argument refute the
> experiment itself.
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> neo wrote:
>> Budikka666 wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 27, 7:00 am, neo <The...@live.com> wrote:
>>>> Budikka666 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -occam's razor-
>>>>
>>>>> Before you can
>>>>> claim there is a creation, then you need to prove there was a
>>>>> creator.
>>>>> We're waiting.
>>>> Not trying to disprove evolution or prove creator. Just trying to
>>>> make sense of it all.
>>> So on September 26th, when you typed, "Creation independent of
>>> religions and god even if all this mess is created by god.", you
>>> weren't postulating a creator god?
>>>
>>> That just looks like a lie to me.
>> Lot of scientists also believe in god in personal life. But when it
>> comes to science, understanding this universe, they keep him aside.
>>
>> Do you want proof of god or help you to solve all the problems?
>>
>> And once you got proof, I don't think you will try to stand up on your
>> feet if injured very badly during climbing everest. You will just cry
>> for help from god. That is inevitable.
>>
>
> I agree neo.
"Neo" is as big an idiot as YOU are, scumbucket.
Your god is a fraud. Get over it.
LOL!!
neo
adman wrote:
> neo wrote:
> > Budikka666 wrote:
> >
> >> On Sep 27, 7:00 am, neo <The...@live.com> wrote:
> >>> Budikka666 wrote:
> >>>
> >>> -occam's razor-
> >>>
> >>>> Before you can
> >>>> claim there is a creation, then you need to prove there was a
> >>>> creator.
> >>>
> >>>> We're waiting.
> >>>
> >>> Not trying to disprove evolution or prove creator. Just trying to
> >>> make sense of it all.
> >>
> >> So on September 26th, when you typed, "Creation independent of
> >> religions and god even if all this mess is created by god.", you
> >> weren't postulating a creator god?
> >>
> >> That just looks like a lie to me.
> >
> > Lot of scientists also believe in god in personal life. But when it
> > comes to science, understanding this universe, they keep him aside.
> >
> > Do you want proof of god or help you to solve all the problems?
> >
> > And once you got proof, I don't think you will try to stand up on your
> > feet if injured very badly during climbing everest. You will just cry
> > for help from god. That is inevitable.
> >
>
> I agree neo.
I don't think that this world will be beutiful tomorrow if tomorrow
morning 5% atheists started believing in god and behave like 95%
theists.
neo
Tim Miller wrote:
Yes. God is fraud. When god goes wild, what can human being do?
DuhIdiot
keyboard:
> neo wrote:
<snip>
>> Do you want proof of god or help you to solve all the problems?
>>
>> And once you got proof, I don't think you will try to stand up on your
>> feet if injured very badly during climbing everest. You will just cry
>> for help from god. That is inevitable.
>>
> I agree neo.
And I agree with both of you: religion is the result of pain, fear,
desperation, and loss of reason.
And vice versa.
<snip>