Is Frank Sheeran of Tokyo registered as a player?
David Nicol
Economist, copied and pasted from
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14539467
A new BRIC block
SIR – It is about time we got rid of the term “the BRIC economies”
(Brazil, Russia, India and China) in which Russia was always the odd
man out (“A good war”, September 19th). I hereby coin a more useful
acronym: CHIBI—China, India, Brazil and Indonesia. It’s still a
somewhat eclectic mix, but the constituents’ roles in international
events are much more likely to be correlated over the next century.
Unfortunately, CHIBI means “dwarf” in Japanese, but it is probably the
best of the permutations.
Frank Sheeran
Tokyo
Ouroboros
hit any notice that Frank Sheeran has been a member of the Committee.
I seem to have a problem searching this group, though.
I would like to refer the matter to our Ambassador from B Nomic for
comment. Mr C-Walker, is Frank Sheeran of Tokyo a member of your
Esteemed Assembly and/or do you represent his interests with regard to
the Fantasy Rules Committee?
On Oct 7, 6:30 am, David Nicol <davidni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the following appears on the letters page of the current issue of The
Charles Walker
>
> I've run searches through Engels' and Sir Toby's archives, and did not
> hit any notice that Frank Sheeran has been a member of the Committee.
> I seem to have a problem searching this group, though.
>
> I would like to refer the matter to our Ambassador from B Nomic for
> comment. Mr C-Walker, is Frank Sheeran of Tokyo a member of your
> Esteemed Assembly and/or do you represent his interests with regard to
> the Fantasy Rules Committee?
Frank Sheeran doesn't ring a bell, I'm afraid, and a search of the
relevant archives procures no result.
And while we're on the subject of Ambassadorial matters, I am, as of a
recent election, Agora's Ambassador to all nomics big and small. I
extend my greetings from Agora!
--
Charles Walker
Ouroboros
venerable and revered nomic.
Perhaps, although let me not press this issue too closely, you might
check the rolls of Agora for this Frank Sheeran, who may have
previously lived somewhere other than Tokyo.
On Oct 7, 9:16 am, Charles Walker <charles.w.wal...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
Charles Walker
>
> Congratulations, Ambassador Walker! That is fine news; Agora is a
> venerable and revered nomic.
>
> Perhaps, although let me not press this issue too closely, you might
> check the rolls of Agora for this Frank Sheeran, who may have
> previously lived somewhere other than Tokyo.
Unfortunately, the rolls of Agora show no sign of a Frank Sheeran, so
I cannot tell you anything about him from an Agoran perspective.
--
Charles Walker
Geoffrey Spear
>
> Congratulations, Ambassador Walker! That is fine news; Agora is a
> venerable and revered nomic.
>
> Perhaps, although let me not press this issue too closely, you might
> check the rolls of Agora for this Frank Sheeran, who may have
> previously lived somewhere other than Tokyo.
As Agora's Registrar, I can confirm that no player with either "Frank"
or "Sheeran" in their nickname or email has played Agora since at
least September of 1994, nor have we had a player with a .jp email.
We neither ask nor record in the Census people's real names; it's
entirely possible (although fairly unlikely) that e played some
nickname that would be hard to link to eir real name.
Joshua B.
according to the unwritten custom than "anybody who is anybody is a
member of the committee" from which flows the only slightly tortured
corollary that anyone who isn't on the list must not be - at all.
That done, we can then put his excellent rule submission up for
adoption. Until a suitable mother can be found, I volunteer to act as
a foster parent.
Ouroboros
estimated timestamp 30 September 5:01pm (PDT).
That sets it as 282:4, and VALID, if not particularly restrictive. I
credit 1.0 style points to Frank Sheeran, mostly for digression.
I capriciously offer bonus style points to members of the committee
who have responded to this thread, prior to the announcment of this
offer, should they contribute further rules this round.
The submission from Joshua B remains VALID, renumbered to 282:5.
Revised round summary to follow.
On Oct 7, 7:36 pm, "Joshua B." <jugg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I recommend we declare Frank Sheeran legally (by FRC law) dead
> according to the unwritten custom than "anybody who is anybody is a
> member of the committee" from which flows the only slightly tortured
> corollary that anyone who isn't on the list must not be - at all.
> That done, we can then put his excellent rule submission up for
> adoption. Until a suitable mother can be found, I volunteer to act as
> a foster parent.
>
>
>
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Ouroboros <wurm.ourobo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Congratulations, Ambassador Walker! That is fine news; Agora is a
> >> venerable and revered nomic.
>
> >> Perhaps, although let me not press this issue too closely, you might
> >> check the rolls of Agora for this Frank Sheeran, who may have
> >> previously lived somewhere other than Tokyo.
>
> > As Agora's Registrar, I can confirm that no player with either "Frank"
> > or "Sheeran" in their nickname or email has played Agora since at
> > least September of 1994, nor have we had a player with a .jp email.
> > We neither ask nor record in the Census people's real names; it's
> > entirely possible (although fairly unlikely) that e played some
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ed Murphy
> I would be happy to accept the submission of Frank Sheeran, at
> estimated timestamp 30 September 5:01pm (PDT).
In the general case, I don't think we should accept submissions for
which the bulk of the evidence indicates that it wasn't intended to
be a fantasy rule. (We once overruled against a spam message that
could otherwise have been valid-by-timeout and won a round.) However,
since an intentional member is currently in the lead either way, I have
no objection to legitimizing this particular case.
Overrule proposal: Frank Sheeran is considered to have been a member
since the beginning of round 282, and to have submitted 282:4 with
time and text as previously described by the judge.
I vote FOR.
David Nicol
> Overrule proposal: Frank Sheeran is considered to have been a member
> since the beginning of round 282, and to have submitted 282:4 with
> time and text as previously described by the judge.
>
> I vote FOR.
but that's what the Judge already did -- there's nothing to overrule.
I'm against, on the grounds that I dislike cluttering up our processes
with redundant formal proposals. And I know I made one two rounds ago.
I think we should track the guy down and formally invite him to play.
The first few pages of google search hits on him indicate that he's a
photographer who posted on usenet in the early nineties, but e-mails
sent to both of those e-mail addresses bounced undeliverable.
...
He's not on linkedin, but appears to be on Facebook.
I propose that the Ambassador be tasked with contacting him.
Charles Walker
> I think we should track the guy down and formally invite him to play.
> The first few pages of google search hits on him indicate that he's a
> photographer who posted on usenet in the early nineties, but e-mails
> sent to both of those e-mail addresses bounced undeliverable.
>
> ...
>
> He's not on linkedin, but appears to be on Facebook.
>
> I propose that the Ambassador be tasked with contacting him.
I'm on it.
--
Charles Walker
David Nicol
<charles....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> I propose that the Ambassador be tasked with contacting him.
>
> I'm on it.
Just like that? No process?
Ed Murphy
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Ed Murphy <emur...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>> Overrule proposal: Â Frank Sheeran is considered to have been a member
>> since the beginning of round 282, and to have submitted 282:4 with
>> time and text as previously described by the judge.
>>
>> I vote FOR.
>
> but that's what the Judge already did -- there's nothing to overrule.
> I'm against, on the grounds that I dislike cluttering up our processes
> with redundant formal proposals. And I know I made one two rounds ago.
I know the FRC leans heavily toward the pragmatic side of the
scale, but I've never been entirely comfortable with extending
this to questions of membership - hence e.g. the amendment a
while back to add what is now RO 4(c).
(Platonic = "the gamestate is what the rules say it is", pragmatic
= "the gamestate is what consensus belief says it is". This has
been discussed much more extensively in e.g. Agora, which has mostly
solved it by having the former bring itself in line with the latter
unless a difference is promptly pointed out.)
> I think we should track the guy down and formally invite him to play.
> The first few pages of google search hits on him indicate that he's a
> photographer who posted on usenet in the early nineties, but e-mails
> sent to both of those e-mail addresses bounced undeliverable.
No objection to this, either, though I doubt that this one-off
coincidence of subject matter will lead to general interest, especially
since each type of br*ck must represent a fundamentally different
concept. (Agora once tasked me with sending a message to Hillary
Clinton; they've also recognized Canada as a nomic at least twice, but
AFAIK repealed it before any contact was made.)
David Nicol
> (Platonic = "the gamestate is what the rules say it is", pragmatic
> = "the gamestate is what consensus belief says it is". This has
> been discussed much more extensively in e.g. Agora, which has mostly
> solved it by having the former bring itself in line with the latter
> unless a difference is promptly pointed out.)
This dichotomy was very much evident when the FRC was founded. Our
solution was to create a strong Judge. Which is a stronger pragmatic
definition than consensus. A proposal mechanism is in place to check
the Judge should e fly off the handle, but invoking it to reinforce
the judge is redundant.
> [Agora has] recognized Canada as a nomic at least twice, but
> AFAIK repealed it before any contact was made.
I was not previously aware of this news. Now accepting bets on how
long it takes me to stop smirking.
Geoffrey Spear
> (Agora once tasked me with sending a message to Hillary
> Clinton; they've also recognized Canada as a nomic at least twice, but
> AFAIK repealed it before any contact was made.)
The current wording of R2200 was, I believe, crafted specifically to
include Canada and other nations, specifically by removing the
requirement that a nomic be a game.
Charles Walker
R2200 also requires that each nomic be defined by only one ruleset,
however. I'm not sure if this applies to Canada, but it could be
argued that some nations are defined by more than one ruleset.
(Constitutional law, national and international law, state law and so
on).
--
Charles Walker
Ed Murphy
Agora and the FRC both have two tiers (Agora has rules and contracts,
the FRC has regular ordinances and fantasy rules), but in both cases,
the former set existed first, and defines / empowers / delegates partial
authority to the latter. A history buff might well get an Agoran thesis
(Rule 1367) out of comparing this to the more complex evolution of such
sets for polities (e.g. Texas was subordinate to France, Spain, Mexico,
no one, the USA, the CSA, then the USA again; its geography over this
time was somewhat but not entirely continuous, while its state /
provincial / territorial / colonial government went through who knows
what sorts of sharp discontinuities).