Jean-Luc Barbier considers that Roger Gonnet goes too far and that his methods are aggressive.

[anti-scientologie]

Lyon, France: Legal confrontation between two anti-cult activists

http://www.leprogres.fr/rhone/2012/06/20/tribunal-clochemerle-dans-la-lutte-anti-sectes

Both fight for a noble cause: anti-cult activism. They target more
specifically Scientology, both being former members of that movement.

But for many years these two old comrades are caught in a personal
conflict that brought them yesterday before the 6th Criminal Court.

On one side Roger Gonnet, 71 years old, one of the founding officers
of Scientology in Lyon, who later became one of its most fierce
opponents during the '90s. On the other side 60 years old Jean-Luc
Barbier. This Swiss citizen sued Scientology in his country after
having been n its mist for 10 years. Both meet in 1997 and widely
collaborated for their cause. Until 2009 when the breaking-off
ocurred.

Barbier considers that Gonnet goes too far and that his methods are
aggressive. Gonnet believes that Barbier is incompetent and accuses
him of wanting to make money on the advice he gave him. The
confrontation takes place on Internet discussion forums through a back
and forth of scathing repartees. But at this game, Roger Gonnet lacks
prudence. He calls his adversary a psychopath, a swindler or even a
pedo-pornographer. These grave and public attacks can be counted by
dozens.

Worn-out, Jean-Luc Barbier files a complaint for insults and
defamation. "A digital lapidating" according to his lawyer Hervé
Banbanaste, who insisted on its irreversibility: "Impossible to remove
those insults from Google where they will remain as indelible stains.

For Barbier, it is the equivalent of a life sentence on Internet."

Roger Gonnet acknowledges the insults, but sticks by them: his
opponent is detrimental to the anti-cult fight. The district attorney
calls for a 1000 euros fine. Barbier requests 25'000 euros for
damages.

Note:

The judge's decision will be known by march 7 (Cour d'Appel de Lyon -
2013)

FORUMS USENET: Ann O'Nymous analyse les messages illicites de Roger
Gonnet
https://groups.google.com/group/fr.soc.sectes/browse_thread/thread/5df3a91454076b01/6ede39cc955a544a?q=#6ede39cc955a544a


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stop-abus

[Davis]

On 3/5/2013 4:57:38 AM, anti-scientologie wrote:
> "A digital lapidating" according to his lawyer Hervé
> Banbanaste, who insisted on its irreversibility: "Impossible to remove
> those insults from Google where they will remain as indelible stains.
>
>

Not true. Google maintains a large staff that processes about five million
takedowns each week -- including the execution of 992 takedowns requested by
courts in France.

http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/removals/

[Andrew Robertson]

On 6/03/2013 3:51 p.m., Davis wrote:
> On 3/5/2013 4:57:38 AM, anti-scientologie wrote:
>> "A digital lapidating" according to his lawyer Hervé
>> Banbanaste, who insisted on its irreversibility: "Impossible to remove
>> those insults from Google where they will remain as indelible stains.

> Not true. Google maintains a large staff that processes about five million
> takedowns each week -- including the execution of 992 takedowns requested by
> courts in France.

As far as Google Groups is concerned, individuals can remove their own
posts if they prove their identity and also the 'X-No-Archive' command
in the first line of the post will cause it to expire after six days.

But Google Groups is just one of many news server and the others all
have different rules about honouring such things. And different
retention periods.

Also some individuals maintain their own archives and choose their own
rules as they see fit.

Incidentally Mr Google never forgets anything in theory, just makes it
unavailable to the hoi polloi, though law enforcement can always get
access. Of course in practice Google can be a bit forgetful and
occasionally can't remember where it left its car keys.


Andrew

[Davis]

On 3/5/2013 9:46:04 PM, Andrew Robertson wrote:

> Of course in practice Google can be a bit forgetful and
> occasionally can't remember where it left its car keys.
>
>
> Andrew
>

Lawyers tend to be even more forgetful. I have a feeling that as a typical
lawyer, Herv Banbanaste will probably make the same argument again and again
in the future -- no matter how many times it gets debunked.

--Davis

[rogergonnet]

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