Re: [folkbiz] Digest for folkbiz@googlegroups.com - 4 Messages in 1 Topic

2 views
Skip to first unread message

falc...@aol.com

unread,
Feb 12, 2014, 12:39:35 PM2/12/14
to fol...@googlegroups.com
Madlyn Sklar of GoGirls Music would know for sure and prob show you 15 diff ways to do it, Anne


-----Original Message-----
From: folkbiz <fol...@googlegroups.com>
To: Digest Recipients <fol...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 11:52 am
Subject: [folkbiz] Digest for fol...@googlegroups.com - 4 Messages in 1 Topic

    Robin Greenstein <wind...@gmail.com> Feb 12 10:03AM -0500  

    Hey, does anyone know how to do this?
     
    I have delineated my FB friends into "lists"; for example, some
    geographically, where I know them from , our mutual connections, folks
    from different times in my life, H.S., College, business connections,
    etc.
     
    But now that I have these great lists and did the work to sub-group
    them, I find it almost impossible to send a message to these subgroups.
     
    Does anyone know how to send a message to a certain list you've
    created in FB?
     
    When I click on "new message", all that comes up is a huge left hand
    column of all my hundreds of "friends". If I try to type in a word
    describing the list, it thinks that's a name of a person. So that
    method doesn't work. and some of these lists are quite large, so I
    can't go thru the hundreds of names to check off my individual list
    names.
     
    Some folks have suggested creating a group, but when you create a
    group and add people, you are adding them without their permission. I
    find that people don't always want to hear that you've automatically
    added them to a group. A Group is different, in that there are
    dynamics back and forth once someone starts posting something. It's a
    two way street as opposed to a message going out one way. It's really
    not quite the right answer to this.
     
    (This would be a great FA conference workshop: 'specific "How-Tos'"
    in Facebook' :)
     
    Thanks.
     
    Robin
     
     
    Robin Greenstein
     
    www.robingreenstein.com
    Windy Records
    www.youtube.com/windyrec
     
    Bev Barnett <b...@truewindmusic.com> Feb 12 08:39AM -0800  

    There are many independent consultants who specialize in Facebook marketing who could do a workshop. I've done them locally for musicians. But no, I doubt that Facebook itself would send someone,  and if they did they would focus on paid posts. 
     
    To answer Robin's question, you can target your posts to the lists you've created,  which is a great thing to do. But no, you can't use those lists for sending messages. 
     
    I find that people get to focused on the need to send messages when that's not really the beauty of Facebook. We're used to the email world so we want to use the same approach with Facebook. 
     
    It's better to use Facebook in the context it's meant for... send engaging posts into the news feed and engage with other people. Targeting those posts will give you better results. 
     
    And don't abandon email. It's still how most people get their information. 
     
    Bev Barnett
    www.BevBarnett.com ;
     
     
    Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
     
    -------- Original message --------
    From: Mike Agranoff <Mi...@MikeAgranoff.com>
    Date:02/12/2014 8:00 AM (GMT-08:00)
    To: fol...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: RE: [folkbiz] facebook question
     
    I wonder if an actual representative sent by Facebook could be pursuaded to come and make a presentation.  Would a professional conference of 1500 attendees be big enough to interest them?
     
    Mike Agranoff
    www.MikeAgranoff.com
     
    From: fol...@googlegroups.com [mailto:fol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Baldino
    Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:41 AM
    To: fol...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: RE: [folkbiz] facebook question
     
     
    (This would be a great FA conference workshop:  'specific  "How-Tos'" in Facebook' :)
     
    I second the motion to request a FAI workshop on updated Facebook use. Is there anyone who has time to keep up with the constant “ins and outs”?
     
    Thanks,
     
    Cheryl
     
    Cheryl Baldino
    Booking and Personal Manager, Burning Bridget Cleary
    267-992-0822
    http://burningbridgetcleary.com
    http://sonicbids.com/burningbridgetcleary
    http://www.airplaydirect.com/music/burningbridgetcleary
     
    Find us on Facebook and Pandora Radio!
     
     
    --
    You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "FolkBiz" group.
    To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to folkbiz+u...@googlegroups.com.
    For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
    --
    You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "FolkBiz" group.
    To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to folkbiz+u...@googlegroups.com.
    For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
     
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "FolkBiz" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to folkbiz+u...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Robin Greenstein

unread,
Feb 13, 2014, 9:26:33 AM2/13/14
to fol...@googlegroups.com
I don't think there are any NERFA conf. committee members on this list
as of yet. So might be better to suggest this on NERFA's listserve.

Bev, the problem is I have no idea who sees my postings, and I have
no idea why certain people's feeds show up on my timeline. I've heard
there are some way you can effect that, but the basics of who posts
and get seen is part of a complicated algorhythm that we can't do
anything about (that little much I know :)

To me putting a posting up on my feed - well that's a much more random
and ineffective way of communicating anything. It's the "throw the s-
t again the wall and see what sticks" method. Not very targeted, and
then skews towards the 'let's waste some precious time' raison d'etre
imho. If you want to send your random musings into cyberspace and see
who responds, that's fine. But I don't think that's was Facebook was
really designed for (otherwise why create friends at all?)

There used to be a much more efficient way to send messages out to
your peeps. Groups is a good way but it's very public and people get
added to groups without any forewarning. It's just not the same thing
as people who've said they want to be your friend, and receive
messages from you. The vast majority of these "friends" are people
who have never shared their email address with me, so it would be
wildly inefficient to try and contact all of them and ask them for
that information.

What is the point of having a 800 "friends" if you can't reach them
with a message? FB even got rid of the ability to send messages to
all your friends at once (there are workarounds for it with various
plug-ins, but I'm not necessarily interested in sending a message to
everyone at the same time).

Hoping to find an answer on this.


Robin

Mike Agranoff

unread,
Feb 13, 2014, 10:29:15 AM2/13/14
to fol...@googlegroups.com
Robin Greenstein wrote,
. If you want to send your random musings into cyberspace and see
who responds, that's fine. But I don't think that's was Facebook was really
designed for

IMHO, that is PRECISELY what Facebook was designed for. Or if not
conciously designed that way, that's precisely the way it works. Facebook
is designed to serve the garrulous, sociable kind of person who talks to
strangers in bars and commuter trains, and enjoys that sort of random social
interaction. It was never designed as a vehicle for targeted messages. And
trying to use it as such is, as Robin pointed out, is a waste of valuable
time.

Mike Agranoff
www.MikeAgranoff.com






Mary Lou Troy

unread,
Feb 13, 2014, 11:13:11 AM2/13/14
to fol...@googlegroups.com
Robin,
I'm not sure there is an answer. I truly believe after lots of
thinking, looking and studying, that Facebook's basic model is flawed
as far as any serious communication goes. Even now I don't see all
the messages from all the groups I belong to, let alone from my
friends or the business pages that I like. As they continue to tweak
their algorithm to monetize the system further, it's only going to
get worse. My advice would be to invest your time in adding those
peeps to your email list - and work to add a geographical designation
to the email list.. Continue to have a presence on FB so that people
can find you or discover you but don't rely on it for specific messaging.

Someone mentioned Madalyn Sklaar's GoGirls. I've been impressed with
Madalyn's workshops at NERFA even if they do seem to jump around a
bit. If I were an indie musician, I'd consider joining Gogirls just
for the education.
http://www.gogirlsmusic.com/about.asp

BTW, I am on the NERFA workshop committee s0 you have at least one
here. I'm certain we will continue to have workshops on social media.
I also certain we will not have a rep from Facebook there. It's not
how they do business. So far Madalyn is the only person we've found
who has both a deep understanding of indie musicians' business and
social media. I'm sure there are others out there and we will
continue to look. In seeking workshop panelists, we generally look
for people for whom it makes good business sense for them to come to
the conference so that we (the conference attendees) don't have to
pay for them to present the workshop.

Best,
Mary Lou
>--
>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>Groups "FolkBiz" group.
>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
>send an email to folkbiz+u...@googlegroups.com.
>For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
>
>
>-----
>No virus found in this message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3697/7089 - Release Date: 02/13/14

Sonl...@aol.com

unread,
Feb 13, 2014, 3:01:09 PM2/13/14
to fol...@googlegroups.com
However, as Mary Granata has so eloquently pointed out, EVENTS are the best way of getting hundreds of invitations to people to let them know about your gigs.... or Listening Parties for a new CD release... or a worthwhile project or charity event...
 
I have had tremendous success over the last couple of years creating events and inviting people while simultaneously posting it on my time line and watch it replicate endlessly...!
 
But Mike is also right... both Twitter and Facebook pander to those so starved for social interaction they are willing to post up "I just had the most delicious bologna sandwich" as if endless throngs of us awaited that news...
 
Son Lewis
Blues Vocalist/Guitarist
GUITAR INSTRUCTION - Beginners to Intermediate (all styles)
www.sonlewis.com
Acoustic Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EOe6rQ13Po
Electric Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUQbI8V9jZU
 
In a message dated 2/13/2014 10:27:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Mi...@MikeAgranoff.com writes:
Robin Greenstein wrote,
    .  If you want to send your random musings into cyberspace and see

who responds, that's fine.  But I don't think that's was Facebook was really
designed for

IMHO, that is PRECISELY what Facebook was designed for.  Or if not
conciously designed that way, that's precisely the way it works.  Facebook
is designed to serve the garrulous, sociable kind of person who talks to
strangers in bars and commuter trains, and enjoys that sort of random social
interaction.  It was never designed as a vehicle for targeted messages.  And
trying to use it as such is, as Robin pointed out, is a waste of valuable
time.

Mike Agranoff
www.MikeAgranoff.com






Mike Agranoff

unread,
Feb 13, 2014, 3:45:04 PM2/13/14
to fol...@googlegroups.com

Speaking of which, the tuna sandwich I had for lunch wasn't all that good.

 

Mike Agranoff

www.MikeAgranoff.com

 

 

But Mike is also right... both Twitter and Facebook pander to those so starved for social interaction they are willing to post up "I just had the most delicious bologna sandwich" as if endless throngs of us awaited that news...

 

Son Lewis
Blues Vocalist/Guitarist
GUITAR INSTRUCTION - Beginners to Intermediate (all styles)
www.sonlewis.com
Acoustic Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EOe6rQ13Po
Electric Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUQbI8V9jZU

.

Sonl...@aol.com

unread,
Feb 13, 2014, 6:02:55 PM2/13/14
to fol...@googlegroups.com
Lunch?!?!?  I knew I forgot something while I was shoveling out from under 12" of new snow.... I have to believe there is a song in there somewhere...:-)
 
Son Lewis
Blues Vocalist/Guitarist
GUITAR INSTRUCTION - Beginners to Intermediate (all styles)
--

Mike Agranoff

unread,
Feb 12, 2014, 2:16:40 PM2/12/14
to fol...@googlegroups.com

Actually, Madlyn was one of those experts who fully confessed ignorance on much of the the methods and procedures behind FB.  I attended her workshop at NERFA, and had her do a little work for me personally.

 

Mike Agranoff

www.MikeAgranoff.com

Reply all
Reply to author
Forward
0 new messages