.97?

[elspub]

just wondering about any news on the update you mentioned in
October...

Also, if you need any beta testers...

[Todd Ditchendorf]

Hi elspub,

I've posted a beta. A few important notes:

1. i've hardly tested this at all. proceed with caution

2. This particular beta only runs on Snow Leopard. It will not run on
Leopard. The final relese will work on both.

3. this beta is versioned as 0.9.6.1. that will allow you to update to
the final 0.9.7 version thru Sparkle update when it comes out. This
beta is not available thru Sparkle update and FluidInstance.app is not
available as a separate download for this beta.

anyhow, it's here:

http://fluidapp.com/dist/Fluid_beta.zip


thanks for your help :)

td

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[elspub]

Since I started using Fluid with .96:
How does upgrading work? If you replace Fluid.app in applications
folder, do all your SSBs automatically update as well?

Since this is a (seemingly) early beta, and I want to back things up:
Can I just .zip up my existing SSBs with their Application Support/
Fluid/SSB folders and be alright?

[elspub]

also,
I don't know if this is/will be an upgrade issue, but even though the
Fluid.app itself lists itself as being version .96.1
the SSBs it creates are versioned as .97.1

On Nov 23, 5:52 pm, elspub <els...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since I started using Fluid with .96:
> How does upgrading work? If you replace Fluid.app in applications
> folder, do all your SSBs automatically update as well?
>
> Since this is a (seemingly) early beta, and I want to back things up:

> Can I just .zip s my existing SSBs with their Application Support/

[Todd Ditchendorf]

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:02 PM, elspub <els...@gmail.com> wrote:
> also,
>  I don't know if this is/will be an upgrade issue, but even though the
> Fluid.app itself lists itself as being version .96.1
> the SSBs it creates are versioned as .97.1

woops. yes that will be an issue. that was a goof on my part.
upgrading is going to be a bit trickier for you... i would recommend
deleting those SSBs now to save yourself some hassle later.

sorry :(

>
> On Nov 23, 5:52 pm, elspub <els...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Since I started using Fluid with .96:
>> How does upgrading work? If you replace Fluid.app in applications
>> folder, do all your SSBs automatically update as well?

No. you must update Fluid.app and each SSB separately (and as
discussed in the past, that will not be changing. i know it sucks, but
the alternatives suck more). They both use the sparkle update
framework, so it's not too bad.

i'll try to post a new beta soon.

td

[elspub]

Cool. Thanks.

the Twitter plugin is cool. Is there a way to update your status from
it? Or is it read-only?

[Todd Ditchendorf]

thx, glad you like it :)

for now it's read only, but eventually i'll almost certainly add
posting and lists (cuz i want those features)

[itod]

I've reposted the beta with the correct version number (0.9.6.1)

http://tod.nu/fluidbeta

td

[elspub]

Seems solid so far. I've had 0 stability or performance bugs.
A couple small bugs/issues;
1. the twitter toolbar icon is replaced with a browsabrowsa icon in
menubar mode.
2. in normal mode, I can't change the appearance from Default(gray) to
anything else. Well, I can change the setting, but nothing happens.
3. If you make a new fluid app with default icon, and then try and
change the icon later via the preferences, you can choose your new
icon (tried with both .icns and .png) but nothing changes. You can set
a custom icon when you make the app.
4. The twitter plugin has some new appearance options. Some of which
are great. I can't tell if I'm missing something or if there's just
redundant options. But I can't tell the difference between "Hud panel"
and "Floating HUD panel" and also "Utility panel" and "Floating
Utility Panel" .... Also: it'd be great to get these appearance
options for browsabrowsa.
5. Is the twitter plugin just a CSS sheet and some Javascript on
twitter.com? I can't help but wonder if Hahlo would be better...

Great work.

[Todd Ditchendorf]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:03 PM, elspub <els...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seems solid so far. I've had 0 stability or performance bugs.
> A couple small bugs/issues;
> 1. the twitter toolbar icon is replaced with a browsabrowsa icon in
> menubar mode.

i proably won't implement that due to lazyness. :|

> 2. in normal mode, I can't change the appearance from Default(gray) to
> anything else. Well, I can change the setting, but nothing happens.

unfortnately all my custom window designs are broken when you build
the app for 64 bit. so i turned that stuff off on SnowLeopard. i
should prolly also remove the option to change it.

sorry, but that's what i get for using private apis. :(

> 3. If you make a new fluid app with default icon, and then try and
> change the icon later via the preferences, you can choose your new
> icon (tried with both .icns and .png) but nothing changes. You can set
> a custom icon when you make the app.

that's a serious problem. thx i'll look into it.

> 4. The twitter plugin has some new appearance options. Some of which
> are great. I can't tell if I'm missing something or if there's just
> redundant options. But I can't tell the difference between "Hud panel"
> and "Floating HUD panel"  and also "Utility panel" and "Floating
> Utility Panel" .... Also: it'd be great to get these appearance
> options for browsabrowsa.

those actually are not new... the Thumbnail plugin has had these
options. actually i dont remember why i disabled them for the browsa
plugin...

the "floating" option forces the panel to float above all other
windows in the app. the other option has normal window behavior.

> 5. Is the twitter plugin just a CSS sheet and some Javascript on
> twitter.com? I can't help but wonder if Hahlo would be better...

Yes, much of the UI of the Twitter plugin is implemented as a WebKit
webview (just like in safari or fluid app SSBs). although all ofthe
logic is in native Objective-C, not JavaScript.

i have *long* used Hahlo in a Browsa plugin, and it's a nice option.
however, ultimately, i felt it was not as good as an experience as it
could be if i wrote this plugin. Personally, i'm liking the twitter
plugin better than Hahlo in a browsa plugin, but you always have that
option available if you like.

> Great work.

thanks elspub! and thanks for the detailed report. helps a lot.

td

[Du Song]

Thanks, Todd.
Shall we add a small feature you mentioned here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/flui...@googlegroups.com/msg00494.html
this will help a lot for private sites need login.

Regards,
Du Song

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