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Tomislav Pokrajcic  
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 More options Jul 1, 11:54 am
From: Tomislav Pokrajcic <tomis...@svemir.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:54:41 +0200
Local: Tues, Jul 1 2008 11:54 am
Subject: dinamicki swf postaje pretrazljliv?
adobe danas pustio vijest o suradnji sa googleom i yahoom koja ide prema
omogucavanju indexiranja swf-ova sa dinamicki kreiranim sadrzajem:
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200806/070108...

        Adobe Flash Technology Enhances Search Results for Dynamic
        Content and Rich Internet Applications

* SAN JOSE, Calif. — July 1, 2008 * — Adobe Systems Incorporated
(Nasdaq:ADBE) today announced the company is teaming up with search
industry leaders to dramatically improve search results of dynamic Web
content and rich Internet applications (RIAs). Adobe is providing
optimized Adobe® Flash® Player technology to Google and Yahoo! to
enhance search engine indexing of the Flash file format (SWF) and
uncover information that is currently undiscoverable by search engines.
This will provide more relevant automatic search rankings of the
millions of RIAs and other dynamic content that run in Adobe Flash
Player. Moving forward, RIA developers and rich Web content producers
won’t need to amend existing and future content to make it searchable —
they can now be confident it can be found by users around the globe.

The openly published SWF specification describes the file format used to
deliver rich applications and interactive content via Adobe Flash
Player, which is installed on more than 98 percent of Internet-connected
computers. Although search engines already index static text and links
within SWF files, RIAs and dynamic Web content have been generally
difficult to fully expose to search engines because of their changing
states — a problem also inherent in other RIA technologies.

“Until now it has been extremely challenging to search the millions of
RIAs and dynamic content on the Web, so we are leading the charge in
improving search of content that runs in Adobe Flash Player,” said David
Wadhwani, general manager and vice president of the Platform Business
Unit at Adobe. “We are initially working with Google and Yahoo! to
significantly improve search of this rich content on the Web, and we
intend to broaden the availability of this capability to benefit all
content publishers, developers and end users.”

Google has already begun to roll out Adobe Flash Player technology
incorporated into its search engine. With Adobe’s help, Google can now
better read the content on sites that use Adobe Flash technology,
helping users find more relevant information when conducting searches.
As a result, millions of pre-existing RIAs and dynamic Web experiences
that utilize Adobe Flash technology, including content that loads at
runtime, are immediately searchable without the need for companies and
developers to alter them.

“Google has been working hard to improve how we can read and discover
SWF files,” said Bill Coughran, senior vice president of engineering at
Google. “Through our recent collaboration with Adobe, we now help Web
site owners that choose to design sites with Adobe Flash software by
indexing this content better. Improving how we crawl dynamic content
will ultimately enhance the search experience for our users.”

Yahoo! also expects to deliver improved Web search capabilities for SWF
applications in a future update to Yahoo! Search. “Yahoo! is committed
to supporting webmaster needs with plans to support searchable SWF and
is working with Adobe to determine the best possible implementation,”
said Sean Suchter, vice president Yahoo! Search Technology Engineering.

“Designers and Web developers have long been frustrated that search
engines couldn’t better access the information within their content
created with Flash technology. It’s great to see Adobe and the search
engines working directly together to improve the situation,” said Danny
Sullivan, editor-in-chief, SearchEngineLand.com. “The changes should
help unlock information that’s previously been ‘invisible’ and will
likely result in a better experience for searchers.”


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Tomislav Pokrajcic  
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 More options Jul 1, 11:56 am
From: Tomislav Pokrajcic <tomis...@svemir.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:56:07 +0200
Local: Tues, Jul 1 2008 11:56 am
Subject: Re: [flexprogrameri] dinamicki swf postaje pretrazljliv?
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kioo  
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From: kioo <ivan.stra...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 1 2008 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: dinamicki swf postaje pretrazljliv?
Lijepo, jako lijepo!

Nije valjda da će to riješiti konačno...

On Jul 1, 5:56 pm, Tomislav Pokrajcic <tomis...@svemir.net> wrote:


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Luka Jendrasic  
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From: "Luka Jendrasic" <hamfe...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:44:03 +0200
Local: Wed, Jul 2 2008 3:44 am
Subject: Re: [flexprogrameri] Re: dinamicki swf postaje pretrazljliv?

Riješti će, ali ovo je tek početak jer loadane fajlove tipa drugi swf ili
xml indeksiraju al ih ne povezuju sa sadržajem stranice ili aplikacije. Tek
kad taj dio riješe imat ćemo pravi SEO.

2008/7/1 kioo <ivan.stra...@gmail.com>:


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Luka Jendrasic  
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 More options Jul 7, 7:21 am
From: "Luka Jendrasic" <hamfe...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:21:31 +0200
Local: Mon, Jul 7 2008 7:21 am
Subject: Re: [flexprogrameri] Re: dinamicki swf postaje pretrazljliv?

Evo ljudi su shvatili da baš i nije sve bajno u ovoj vijesti. Već sam
pročito nekoliko blog postova gdje su ljudi zabrinuti zbog ovog adobeovog
postupka i nije im jasan sistem indexisranja. U jednom komentaru sam pročito
da je Google sad posto veliki dekompajler za flash ili flex aplikacije.

http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2008/07/06/update-on-swf-indexing-issues/
http://aralbalkan.com/1404

2008/7/2 Luka Jendrasic <hamfe...@gmail.com>:


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Tomislav Pokrajcic  
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 More options Jul 7, 7:48 am
From: Tomislav Pokrajcic <tomis...@svemir.net>
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:48:46 +0200
Local: Mon, Jul 7 2008 7:48 am
Subject: Re: [flexprogrameri] Re: dinamicki swf postaje pretrazljliv?
koliko kuzim nema tu dekompajliranja swf-ova.
adobe im je slozio specijalni player koji exposa sve sto se vidi na
ekranu u neki format citljiv-kompjutoru-a-ne-samo-covjeku.
mislim da je iduci korak trazenje od adobea da taj player pruzi svima
tako da imamo isto oruzje kao i neprijatelj.
onda sljedi klasika kao i kod svih ostalih web sadrzaja - nadmudrivanje
s botovima da ti daju sto bolji ranking...

t


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Luka Jendrasic  
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 More options Jul 7, 11:24 am
From: "Luka Jendrasic" <hamfe...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:24:49 +0200
Local: Mon, Jul 7 2008 11:24 am
Subject: Re: [flexprogrameri] Re: dinamicki swf postaje pretrazljliv?

Vidim nisi pročito one linkove koje sam posto jer sada kad searchaš dobiješ
recimo url slike koja se nalazi u flash aplikaciji i kad klikneš na rezultat
otvara ti se slika u browseru,a ne aplikacija. Meni nije potrebno da mi
netko searcha neki pojam i da mu se otvori xml file(on sadrži taj pojam)
koji se loada u aplikacij u blank prozoru**, nego ja hoću da mi se loada
index ili main swf od aplikacije. To je onaj problem koji sam spominjo da
flash neraspoznaje eksterne linkove sa sadržajom.

Luka

2008/7/7 Tomislav Pokrajcic <tomis...@svemir.net>:


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Tomislav Pokrajcic  
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 More options Jul 7, 1:07 pm
From: Tomislav Pokrajcic <tomis...@svemir.net>
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:07:15 +0200
Local: Mon, Jul 7 2008 1:07 pm
Subject: Re: [flexprogrameri] Re: dinamicki swf postaje pretrazljliv?
je, sve to stoji. dok google ne nauci prikazati linkove u kontextu swf-a
smrdit ce...
al ako su uspjeli napravit google maps 3d valjda ce se znat nosit s
jednim obicnim data formatom ;)

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