i see adobe changing whole flex name and making it flash builder
4......
what is main differences to flex builder 3.0 and flash builder 4?
Do they want to anyway merge time line based editor flash and flex!!
in future?
also i saw flash catalyst, to develop RIA's, is this flash catalyst
has something to do with flex related application?
adobe mentions future portfolios, buisness and internet websites will
be more RIA and all mostly belong to concept of flash catalyst?
To what extent is this true, i just want to know will future websites
and portfolios belongs to RIA and flash catalyst?
since i'm student and can't discuss with none, could not figure out
whats going on, had few doubts and posted, express your views on
this..........
In my opinion this a move to give the idea that Flex 4 (Flash Builder)
and Flash CS 5 will be closely integrated. One of such feature would
be to compile fla's from Flex 4 but Flex will need Flash CS5 to do so.
Another feature is - A breakpoint created in Flash CS5 can be used to
debug in Flash Builder.
Regarding Flash Catalyst, I think Adobe is now offering to two options
to create SWF's - 1. Flash 2. Flash Catalyst. They are not meant to
replace each other but to target different designers' needs in terms
of usability and fast development.
> i see adobe changing whole flex name and making it flash builder
> 4......
> what is main differences to flex builder 3.0 and flash builder 4?
> Do they want to anyway merge time line based editor flash and flex!!
> in future?
> also i saw flash catalyst, to develop RIA's, is this flash catalyst
> has something to do with flex related application?
> adobe mentions future portfolios, buisness and internet websites will
> be more RIA and all mostly belong to concept of flash catalyst?
> To what extent is this true, i just want to know will future websites
> and portfolios belongs to RIA and flash catalyst?
> since i'm student and can't discuss with none, could not figure out
> whats going on, had few doubts and posted, express your views on
> this..........
one, if you would have been in either hyderabad and chennai you could have
attended the Adobe developer summit which had introductory to detailed
sessions on Flex 4.
if you have missed out on the sessions you can have a look at the
presentations that speakers would have uploaded by now post these developer
summits, go visit this site to get more information
you can also check the presentation that mrinal gave during the summit on
flex 4 components that will give out some idea to you about new things in
flex 4
second, flex 4 as a platform has evolved, its difficult to write a all the
changes that have happened, to start of with you can check out the spec
sheets at this url
what is main differences to flex builder 3.0 and flash builder 4?
if you are asking about the IDE, then the apart from the name change ( flash
builder) there are several enhancements in code hinting, break points,
debugging, profiling features, network monitor, data model drives
development etc etc.
about the SDK changes, well there are several and you need to go n read them
at the adobe open source url that i mentioned above, for one the
architecture has evolved and changed and now is more robust and developer
and designer friendly.
Do they want to anyway merge time line based editor flash and flex!!
in future?
no this has not been the intention as far as i know, the editors are still
different, coz the underlying technology is different, timeline based
editors stay with flash suits and code based editors stay with flex.
also i saw flash catalyst, to develop RIA's, is this flash catalyst
has something to do with flex related application?
Well in the entire Adobe Flash platform stack, yes it has to do a lot and
its has great deal of importance, wilh flex yes, it will be significant to
use catalyst with flex, the intention behind this is the developer -
designer work flow, with catalyst you would have more control over this
workflow and you can streamline the process and your applications and you
both become mature and productive :)
post flex 4, the catalyst would be placed as a tool between the designer and
developer, where in a designer can work on the designs separately and the
developer can make use of it, the new language FXG facilitates this :), go
ahead and read more about this.
adobe mentions future portfolios, buisness and internet websites will
be more RIA and all mostly belong to concept of flash catalyst?
post flex 4, yes to a certain extent, because it would easy to conceptualize
your applications in catalyst, also transformation of your static designs
from an image( built using photoshop etc) to an application would be easy.
I hope i was able to give you a sneak peak into flex 4, and i hope my
responses were able to answer your questions.
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Gaurav Goel <grvgl.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In my opinion this a move to give the idea that Flex 4 (Flash Builder)
> and Flash CS 5 will be closely integrated. One of such feature would
> be to compile fla's from Flex 4 but Flex will need Flash CS5 to do so.
> Another feature is - A breakpoint created in Flash CS5 can be used to
> debug in Flash Builder.
> Regarding Flash Catalyst, I think Adobe is now offering to two options
> to create SWF's - 1. Flash 2. Flash Catalyst. They are not meant to
> replace each other but to target different designers' needs in terms
> of usability and fast development.
> On Dec 5, 12:33 pm, abhilashm86 <abhilash...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > i see adobe changing whole flex name and making it flash builder
> > 4......
> > what is main differences to flex builder 3.0 and flash builder 4?
> > Do they want to anyway merge time line based editor flash and flex!!
> > in future?
> > also i saw flash catalyst, to develop RIA's, is this flash catalyst
> > has something to do with flex related application?
> > adobe mentions future portfolios, buisness and internet websites will
> > be more RIA and all mostly belong to concept of flash catalyst?
> > To what extent is this true, i just want to know will future websites
> > and portfolios belongs to RIA and flash catalyst?
> > since i'm student and can't discuss with none, could not figure out
> > whats going on, had few doubts and posted, express your views on
> > this..........
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This Flash Builder is more likely like our Flex Builder, some of the key
features which they introduced as part of Flash Builder is as follows.
*Data Centric Development :*
DataCenric development is a Rapid Application Development in Flash Builder
(Gumbo).
This helps web developers to rapidly develop their application and integrtae
with Back end like PHP. Blaze DS, HTTP , Java etc.
Basically they have automated the Back end integration process rather going
by configuring the Services.mxml and Services-Config.xml for every back end
calls.
*Work Flow:*
Connect to data/Service --> Explore Service --> Configure Return Type -->
Bind data with Components.
All in one shot which will save a hell a lot of time which we cannot
imagine.
*Model Driven Development :*
As part of Model Driven development they have intorduced a nebie called Data
Mgt Service which will facilitate the developers the follwing services.
Auomatic data Sync up between client and server, between the clients, in a
single Client and also in offline.
Then Lazy loading, Paging, Conflict Resolution and very important thing is
change tracking (Update, create and delete).
*Developer/Designer Work Flow :*
Here comes the Flash catalyst, in that u can convert a PNG or JPEG etc to an
appliaction.
Once u r done with that, automaticc code will be generated in code
perspective.
You can import the code inside ur Flash builder and you can integrate with
ur server thru Data Centric development.
by using this we can easily achieve 0% tolerance of the Mock given by your
designer.
All these were in Developer perspective, there were some for Designers in
Flash builder 4.
Please let me know if this helps you to some extent.
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:03 PM, abhilashm86 <abhilash...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i see adobe changing whole flex name and making it flash builder
> 4......
> what is main differences to flex builder 3.0 and flash builder 4?
> Do they want to anyway merge time line based editor flash and flex!!
> in future?
> also i saw flash catalyst, to develop RIA's, is this flash catalyst
> has something to do with flex related application?
> adobe mentions future portfolios, buisness and internet websites will
> be more RIA and all mostly belong to concept of flash catalyst?
> To what extent is this true, i just want to know will future websites
> and portfolios belongs to RIA and flash catalyst?
> since i'm student and can't discuss with none, could not figure out
> whats going on, had few doubts and posted, express your views on
> this..........
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one thing I missed in the above mail is spark component.
The evolution of spark component is a great idea in Flash builder 4.
From my underatnding, in spark they have introduced a skinnable component
for all visual component so that the developer can do what ever he wants in
context with look and feel of the component with out touching the core
functionality of the component.
Lets say there will be class files here after, button.as and buttonSkin.as
Some one please correct me if I am wrong anywhere.
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM, veeru rahul <veeru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Abilash,
> I'll tell u what I know about Flash Builder.
> This Flash Builder is more likely like our Flex Builder, some of the key
> features which they introduced as part of Flash Builder is as follows.
> *Data Centric Development :*
> DataCenric development is a Rapid Application Development in Flash Builder
> (Gumbo).
> This helps web developers to rapidly develop their application and
> integrtae with Back end like PHP. Blaze DS, HTTP , Java etc.
> Basically they have automated the Back end integration process rather going
> by configuring the Services.mxml and Services-Config.xml for every back end
> calls.
> *Work Flow:*
> Connect to data/Service --> Explore Service --> Configure Return Type -->
> Bind data with Components.
> All in one shot which will save a hell a lot of time which we cannot
> imagine.
> *Model Driven Development :*
> As part of Model Driven development they have intorduced a nebie called
> Data Mgt Service which will facilitate the developers the follwing services.
> Auomatic data Sync up between client and server, between the clients, in a
> single Client and also in offline.
> Then Lazy loading, Paging, Conflict Resolution and very important thing is
> change tracking (Update, create and delete).
> *Developer/Designer Work Flow :*
> Here comes the Flash catalyst, in that u can convert a PNG or JPEG etc to
> an appliaction.
> Once u r done with that, automaticc code will be generated in code
> perspective.
> You can import the code inside ur Flash builder and you can integrate with
> ur server thru Data Centric development.
> by using this we can easily achieve 0% tolerance of the Mock given by your
> designer.
> All these were in Developer perspective, there were some for Designers in
> Flash builder 4.
> Please let me know if this helps you to some extent.
> Thanks,
> Veeru
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:03 PM, abhilashm86 <abhilash...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> i see adobe changing whole flex name and making it flash builder
>> 4......
>> what is main differences to flex builder 3.0 and flash builder 4?
>> Do they want to anyway merge time line based editor flash and flex!!
>> in future?
>> also i saw flash catalyst, to develop RIA's, is this flash catalyst
>> has something to do with flex related application?
>> adobe mentions future portfolios, buisness and internet websites will
>> be more RIA and all mostly belong to concept of flash catalyst?
>> To what extent is this true, i just want to know will future websites
>> and portfolios belongs to RIA and flash catalyst?
>> since i'm student and can't discuss with none, could not figure out
>> whats going on, had few doubts and posted, express your views on
>> this..........
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SkinnableComponent is an extension of UIComponent ( rings a bell? :) flex 3?
- flex 4 architecture is basically is developed / designed over flex 3),
ideally your component should have an acitionscript class to contain the
core component logic (extends from skinnable component), mxml class that
contains all your view logic / declarative code etc.
The association between a component and its skin is maintained through a
skinning contract.
for a button a component class is button.as and skin class is
buttonSkin.mxml.
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM, veeru rahul <veeru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> one thing I missed in the above mail is spark component.
> The evolution of spark component is a great idea in Flash builder 4.
> From my underatnding, in spark they have introduced a skinnable component
> for all visual component so that the developer can do what ever he wants in
> context with look and feel of the component with out touching the core
> functionality of the component.
> Lets say there will be class files here after, button.as and buttonSkin.as
> Some one please correct me if I am wrong anywhere.
> Thanks,
> Veeru
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM, veeru rahul <veeru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Abilash,
>> I'll tell u what I know about Flash Builder.
>> This Flash Builder is more likely like our Flex Builder, some of the key
>> features which they introduced as part of Flash Builder is as follows.
>> *Data Centric Development :*
>> DataCenric development is a Rapid Application Development in Flash Builder
>> (Gumbo).
>> This helps web developers to rapidly develop their application and
>> integrtae with Back end like PHP. Blaze DS, HTTP , Java etc.
>> Basically they have automated the Back end integration process rather
>> going by configuring the Services.mxml and Services-Config.xml for every
>> back end calls.
>> *Work Flow:*
>> Connect to data/Service --> Explore Service --> Configure Return Type -->
>> Bind data with Components.
>> All in one shot which will save a hell a lot of time which we cannot
>> imagine.
>> *Model Driven Development :*
>> As part of Model Driven development they have intorduced a nebie called
>> Data Mgt Service which will facilitate the developers the follwing services.
>> Auomatic data Sync up between client and server, between the clients, in a
>> single Client and also in offline.
>> Then Lazy loading, Paging, Conflict Resolution and very important thing is
>> change tracking (Update, create and delete).
>> *Developer/Designer Work Flow :*
>> Here comes the Flash catalyst, in that u can convert a PNG or JPEG etc to
>> an appliaction.
>> Once u r done with that, automaticc code will be generated in code
>> perspective.
>> You can import the code inside ur Flash builder and you can integrate with
>> ur server thru Data Centric development.
>> by using this we can easily achieve 0% tolerance of the Mock given by your
>> designer.
>> All these were in Developer perspective, there were some for Designers in
>> Flash builder 4.
>> Please let me know if this helps you to some extent.
>> Thanks,
>> Veeru
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:03 PM, abhilashm86 <abhilash...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> i see adobe changing whole flex name and making it flash builder
>>> 4......
>>> what is main differences to flex builder 3.0 and flash builder 4?
>>> Do they want to anyway merge time line based editor flash and flex!!
>>> in future?
>>> also i saw flash catalyst, to develop RIA's, is this flash catalyst
>>> has something to do with flex related application?
>>> adobe mentions future portfolios, buisness and internet websites will
>>> be more RIA and all mostly belong to concept of flash catalyst?
>>> To what extent is this true, i just want to know will future websites
>>> and portfolios belongs to RIA and flash catalyst?
>>> since i'm student and can't discuss with none, could not figure out
>>> whats going on, had few doubts and posted, express your views on
>>> this..........
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But lemme tell u honestly what I feel,
This Flash builder has made our life easy but the charm of the coding will
be wiped out soon if they develop things in a more automated way.
Whats ur take on this?
Thanks,
Veeru
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Saurabh Narula <reachsaurabhnar...@gmail.com
> SkinnableComponent is an extension of UIComponent ( rings a bell? :) flex
> 3? - flex 4 architecture is basically is developed / designed over flex 3),
> ideally your component should have an acitionscript class to contain the
> core component logic (extends from skinnable component), mxml class that
> contains all your view logic / declarative code etc.
> The association between a component and its skin is maintained through a
> skinning contract.
> for a button a component class is button.as and skin class is
> buttonSkin.mxml.
> Thanks
> Saurabh
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM, veeru rahul <veeru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> one thing I missed in the above mail is spark component.
>> The evolution of spark component is a great idea in Flash builder 4.
>> From my underatnding, in spark they have introduced a skinnable component
>> for all visual component so that the developer can do what ever he wants in
>> context with look and feel of the component with out touching the core
>> functionality of the component.
>> Lets say there will be class files here after, button.as and
>> buttonSkin.as
>> Some one please correct me if I am wrong anywhere.
>> Thanks,
>> Veeru
>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM, veeru rahul <veeru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Abilash,
>>> I'll tell u what I know about Flash Builder.
>>> This Flash Builder is more likely like our Flex Builder, some of the key
>>> features which they introduced as part of Flash Builder is as follows.
>>> *Data Centric Development :*
>>> DataCenric development is a Rapid Application Development in Flash
>>> Builder (Gumbo).
>>> This helps web developers to rapidly develop their application and
>>> integrtae with Back end like PHP. Blaze DS, HTTP , Java etc.
>>> Basically they have automated the Back end integration process rather
>>> going by configuring the Services.mxml and Services-Config.xml for every
>>> back end calls.
>>> *Work Flow:*
>>> Connect to data/Service --> Explore Service --> Configure Return Type -->
>>> Bind data with Components.
>>> All in one shot which will save a hell a lot of time which we cannot
>>> imagine.
>>> *Model Driven Development :*
>>> As part of Model Driven development they have intorduced a nebie called
>>> Data Mgt Service which will facilitate the developers the follwing services.
>>> Auomatic data Sync up between client and server, between the clients, in
>>> a single Client and also in offline.
>>> Then Lazy loading, Paging, Conflict Resolution and very important thing
>>> is change tracking (Update, create and delete).
>>> *Developer/Designer Work Flow :*
>>> Here comes the Flash catalyst, in that u can convert a PNG or JPEG etc to
>>> an appliaction.
>>> Once u r done with that, automaticc code will be generated in code
>>> perspective.
>>> You can import the code inside ur Flash builder and you can integrate
>>> with ur server thru Data Centric development.
>>> by using this we can easily achieve 0% tolerance of the Mock given by
>>> your designer.
>>> All these were in Developer perspective, there were some for Designers in
>>> Flash builder 4.
>>> Please let me know if this helps you to some extent.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Veeru
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:03 PM, abhilashm86 <abhilash...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> i see adobe changing whole flex name and making it flash builder
>>>> 4......
>>>> what is main differences to flex builder 3.0 and flash builder 4?
>>>> Do they want to anyway merge time line based editor flash and flex!!
>>>> in future?
>>>> also i saw flash catalyst, to develop RIA's, is this flash catalyst
>>>> has something to do with flex related application?
>>>> adobe mentions future portfolios, buisness and internet websites will
>>>> be more RIA and all mostly belong to concept of flash catalyst?
>>>> To what extent is this true, i just want to know will future websites
>>>> and portfolios belongs to RIA and flash catalyst?
>>>> since i'm student and can't discuss with none, could not figure out
>>>> whats going on, had few doubts and posted, express your views on
>>>> this..........
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@ veeru
the spark component is almost same as CSS transformed component? well i
don't know much, i did some components to CSS, so functionality of
components did not change.....
oh flash catalyst will be great!! nice to see the RAD coming to flash
builder,
yes thats why when i started downloading flash 4 from adobe website,
they asked whats background you are implementing like php, java others.....
thanks a lot:)
> yes saurabh, i understood to a extent and cateogory of designers and
> developers should be made different in future, thanks a lot:)
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