[Flashcoders] WebServices support in AS3/FLCS3

[Enrique Chávez]

Really

What happened with the webservices classes in AS3/Flash CS3? i can't
believe they are gone.

Anyone know something about it?

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http://www.tmeister.net
http://desktoptwo.com

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[Gerry Creighton]

If you are in Flash CS3 and have an AS3 fla open navigate to Window/
Common Libraries/Classes
You will find them there.

-Gerry

[Austin Kottke]

They're only available in AS 2 right now. No as 3 support yet.

[Muzak]

Those are AS2, not AS3.

There are currently no AS3 classes/components for webservices or remoting in FCS3.
Right now Flex 2 is the only alternative.

regards,
Muzak

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Creighton" <ge...@thespikeranch.com>
To: <flash...@chattyfig.figleaf.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WebServices support in AS3/FLCS3

If you are in Flash CS3 and have an AS3 fla open navigate to Window/
Common Libraries/Classes
You will find them there.

-Gerry

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[Hans Wichman]

Hi,
I've no experience with flex2, but Muzak can i conclude from your remark the
classes are available under flex2 ?
If so, can't they be compiled to an swf, used to generate intrinsics from
and use them in flash 9 anyway?

greetz
JC

[Muzak]

Source files of the Flex rpc classes are not available. They're compiled into a swc file.
The swc contains the compiled code (swf), but I don't know if you can create intrinisics from that, or if you're even allowed to do
so.

regards,
Muzak

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Wichman" <j.c.w...@objectpainters.com>
To: <flash...@chattyfig.figleaf.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WebServices support in AS3/FLCS3

> Hi,
> I've no experience with flex2, but Muzak can i conclude from your remark the
> classes are available under flex2 ?
> If so, can't they be compiled to an swf, used to generate intrinsics from
> and use them in flash 9 anyway?
>
> greetz
> JC
>
>

[Hans Wichman]

Hmm,
okay might be worth a try though, I thought creating intrinsics was okay,
assuming you dont distribute them or the swc. In other words assuming you
have a valid license you are allowed generate and use the intrinsic classes
from an swc. But maybe someone from adobe could share a light on that.

Im not sure if http://osflash.org/swcextract/ can do as3 too, would have to
look into that.

regards,
JC

On 7/5/07, Muzak <p.ginn...@telenet.be> wrote:
>

[John Dowdell]

Enrique Chávez wrote:
> What happened with the webservices classes in AS3/Flash CS3? i can't
> believe they are gone.

I asked Product Manager Richard Galvan about this earlier this week, and
I'll ping him today face-to-face to confirm. Here's where I'd expect
info to appear first, if it isn't already among the technotes somewhere:
http://blogs.adobe.com/rgalvan/

I suspect that it's something like not all AS2 routines yet adapted for
the tighter ECMAScript in AS3, but even if so this info should still
already be available in a FAQ or other searchable resource.

I'm sorry for the hassle in the meantime, but I've got an action item to
pursue this and get it publicly resolved. (I'll be on vacation next
week; if it's not addressed by then please feel free to title a thread
"JD Flakes Out!" on Flashcoders the week of the 16th to nudge my memory,
thanks.... ;-)

jd

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[Austin Kottke]

John,

Thanks for the update. This is a very important issue to resolve.
Tree component would be
nice to see as well....

Best, Austin

John Dowdell wrote:
> Enrique Chávez wrote:
>> What happened with the webservices classes in AS3/Flash CS3? i can't
>> believe they are gone.
>
> I asked Product Manager Richard Galvan about this earlier this week,
> and I'll ping him today face-to-face to confirm. Here's where I'd
> expect info to appear first, if it isn't already among the technotes
> somewhere:
> http://blogs.adobe.com/rgalvan/
>
> I suspect that it's something like not all AS2 routines yet adapted
> for the tighter ECMAScript in AS3, but even if so this info should
> still already be available in a FAQ or other searchable resource.
>
> I'm sorry for the hassle in the meantime, but I've got an action item
> to pursue this and get it publicly resolved. (I'll be on vacation next
> week; if it's not addressed by then please feel free to title a thread
> "JD Flakes Out!" on Flashcoders the week of the 16th to nudge my
> memory, thanks.... ;-)
>
> jd
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[Derek Vadneau]

Thanks for looking into this John and passing along the info.

I haven't used the WebServices classes myself for quite a while, but,
obviously, there has been quite an outpouring of comments regarding their
non-appearance in Flash CS3 (AS3). It's good to hear about any
developments on this matter.

Derek Vadneau

[Muzak]

AFAIK, there are no technotes on this issue (and related issues like Flash Remoting) or they're well hidden somewhere ;-)

The issue has come up here before..

And here's are some (unanswered) topics on the Adobe Flash Forums about webservices and remoting
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=15&catid=250&threadid=1264156
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=15&catid=288&threadid=1263696
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=15&catid=194&threadid=1272741

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=15&catid=194&threadid=1261146
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=15&catid=194&threadid=1266127

The only Adobe response I could find is from Bentley Wolfe, posted on 04/19/2007 where he says:
<quote>We're working on a TechNote covering this, expected next week.</quote>

I don't know how long a week is at Adobe, but over here it's 7 days ;-)

Bentley also points to this example as a solution/replacement for AS3 Flash Remoting
http://www.oscartrelles.com/archives/as3_flash_remoting_example

There's already a few open source implemetations available on osflash.org
Super Simple Remoting: http://osflash.org/projects/ssr
AS3 Lightweight Remoting Framework: http://osflash.org/as3lrf

With all that said, I think that having an "official" remoting implementation, like there was for previous Flash versions, would be
desired.
On top of that, there's no AS2 Remoting Component package for Flash CS3.
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashremoting/downloads/components/

So in order to use AS2 Remoting in Flash CS3, one has to go and look for all the required classes/debugger/docs in the Flash 8
config and copy them over manually (or keep Flash 8 around for AS2 projects).

Once again I think a few - important - things have been overlooked with this new Flash release.
no Webservices
no Remoting (part from using NetConnection)
no Data components (WebServiceConnector, XMLConnector, RemotingConnector, DataHolder, DataSet..)
no Tree component
no Accordion component
no Alert component
no Window component
no DateChooser component
no DateField component
no Menu component
no Menubar component

Guess it's time to dump Flash.. long live Flex ;-)

regards,
Muzak

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Dowdell" <jdow...@adobe.com>
To: <flash...@chattyfig.figleaf.com>

Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WebServices support in AS3/FLCS3

> Enrique Chvez wrote:
>> What happened with the webservices classes in AS3/Flash CS3? i can't believe they are gone.
>
> I asked Product Manager Richard Galvan about this earlier this week, and I'll ping him today face-to-face to confirm. Here's where
> I'd expect info to appear first, if it isn't already among the technotes somewhere:
> http://blogs.adobe.com/rgalvan/
>
> I suspect that it's something like not all AS2 routines yet adapted for the tighter ECMAScript in AS3, but even if so this info
> should still already be available in a FAQ or other searchable resource.
>
> I'm sorry for the hassle in the meantime, but I've got an action item to pursue this and get it publicly resolved. (I'll be on
> vacation next week; if it's not addressed by then please feel free to title a thread "JD Flakes Out!" on Flashcoders the week of
> the 16th to nudge my memory, thanks.... ;-)
>
> jd

[John Dowdell]

Update: Getting info from Flash Authoring was difficult because much of
the team was travelling to Tokyo for customer visits. I'll expand the
request list tonight. The forums links and technote statements were
useful, thanks.

[Enrique Chávez]

Hi John.

Well, great news, you know, we are working to offer a API for people who
want to develop applications in the http://desktoptwo.com "base",
desktoptwo is full flash and we really need the Webservice Support.

And i dont want use flex. =)

Thanks.

John Dowdell escribió:

> Enrique Chávez wrote:
>> What happened with the webservices classes in AS3/Flash CS3? i can't
>> believe they are gone.
>
> I asked Product Manager Richard Galvan about this earlier this week,
> and I'll ping him today face-to-face to confirm. Here's where I'd
> expect info to appear first, if it isn't already among the technotes
> somewhere:
> http://blogs.adobe.com/rgalvan/
>
> I suspect that it's something like not all AS2 routines yet adapted
> for the tighter ECMAScript in AS3, but even if so this info should
> still already be available in a FAQ or other searchable resource.
>
> I'm sorry for the hassle in the meantime, but I've got an action item
> to pursue this and get it publicly resolved. (I'll be on vacation next
> week; if it's not addressed by then please feel free to title a thread
> "JD Flakes Out!" on Flashcoders the week of the 16th to nudge my
> memory, thanks.... ;-)
>
> jd
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Enrique Chavez aka Tmeister
http://www.klr20mg.com
http://www.tmeister.net
http://desktoptwo.com

[Kevin Matzdorf]

There's a chapter about remoting and webservices in the Actionscript
3.0Cookbook.
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/actscpt3ckbk/toc.html
<http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/actscpt3ckbk/toc.html>it chapter 21.
not sure if there's a solution to your problem, I just
remember looking it over. Hope this helps. Pretty good book.

Kevin

[Muzak]

There's no solution in the book.
When it talks about webservices it talks about the Flex WebService API
mx.rpc.soap.WebService

The remoting part says: Use a NetConnection object
And the example is similar to this:
http://www.oscartrelles.com/archives/as3_flash_remoting_example

regards,
Muzak

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Matzdorf" <kmat...@gmail.com>
To: <flash...@chattyfig.figleaf.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WebServices support in AS3/FLCS3

There's a chapter about remoting and webservices in the Actionscript
3.0Cookbook.
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/actscpt3ckbk/toc.html
<http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/actscpt3ckbk/toc.html>it chapter 21.
not sure if there's a solution to your problem, I just
remember looking it over. Hope this helps. Pretty good book.

Kevin

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[Paul B. Hake]

-----Original Message-----
From: "Kevin Matzdorf" <kmat...@gmail.com>
To: flash...@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Sent: 7/9/2007 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WebServices support in AS3/FLCS3

There's a chapter about remoting and webservices in the Actionscript
3.0Cookbook.
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/actscpt3ckbk/toc.html
<http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/actscpt3ckbk/toc.html>it chapter 21.
not sure if there's a solution to your problem, I just
remember looking it over. Hope this helps. Pretty good book.

Kevin

On 7/9/07, Enrique Chávez <no...@tmeister.net> wrote:

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