Author Naomi Klein Calls for Boycott of Israel
JMD Morgan
Author Naomi Klein Calls for Boycott of Israel
by Agence France Presse
BILIN , West Bank - Bestselling author Naomi Klein on Friday took her
call for a boycott of Israel to the occupied West Bank village of Bilin,
where she witnessed Israeli forces clashing with protesters.
[Bestselling Canadian author Naomi Klein on Friday took her call for a
boycott of Israel to the occupied West Bank village of Bilin, where she
witnessed Israeli forces clashing with protesters. 'Boycott is a tactic
. . . we're trying to create a dynamic which was the dynamic that
ultimately ended apartheid in South Africa,' she said. (Photograph by:
John Kenney, National Post)]Bestselling Canadian author Naomi Klein on
Friday took her call for a boycott of Israel to the occupied West Bank
village of Bilin, where she witnessed Israeli forces clashing with
protesters. 'Boycott is a tactic . . . we're trying to create a dynamic
which was the dynamic that ultimately ended apartheid in South Africa,'
she said. (Photograph by: John Kenney, National Post)
"It's a boycott of Israeli institutions, it's a boycott of the Israeli
economy," the Canadian writer told journalists as she joined a weekly
demonstration against Israel's controversial separation wall.
"Boycott is a tactic . . . we're trying to create a dynamic which was
the dynamic that ultimately ended apartheid in South Africa," said
Klein, the author of "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism."
"It's an extraordinarily important part of Israel's identity to be able
to have the illusion of Western normalcy," the Canadian writer and
activist said.
"When that is threatened, when the rock concerts don't come, when the
symphonies don't come, when a film you really want to see doesn't play
at the Jerusalem film festival . . . then it starts to threaten the very
idea of what the Israeli state is."
She briefly joined about 200 villagers and foreign activists protesting
the barrier which Israel says it needs to prevent attacks, but which
Palestinians say aims at grabbing their land and undermining the
viability of their promised state.
She then watched from a safe distance as the protesters reached the
fence, where Israeli forces fired teargas and some youths responded by
throwing stones at the army.
"This apartheid, this is absolutely a system of segregation," Klein said
adding that Israeli troops would never crack down as violently against
Jewish protesters.
She pointed out that her visit coincided with court hearings in Quebec
in a case where the villagers of Bilin are suing two Canadian companies,
accusing them of illegally building and selling homes to Israelis on
land that belongs to the village.
The plaintiffs claim that by building in the Jewish settlement of Modiin
Illit, near Bilin, Green Park International and Green Mount
International are in violation of international laws that prohibit an
occupying power from transferring some of its population to the lands it
occupies.
"I'm hoping and praying that Canadian courts will bring some justice to
the people of Bilin," Klein said.
Her visit was also part of a promotional tour in Israel and the West
Bank for "The Shock Doctrine" which has recently been translated into
Hebrew and Arabic. Klein said she would get no royalties from sales of
the Hebrew version and that the proceeds would go instead to an activist
group.
Peace and Justice
don't some goofy Jews want to support their own people.
They can't be as fucked up as leftist Americans.
Phxbrd
"Peace and Justice" <who...@theboys.net> wrote in message
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> Another self destructing Jew. She's jump in an oven for a headline. Why
> don't some goofy Jews want to support their own people.
> They can't be as fucked up as leftist Americans.
Supporting her religious group is one thing, but supporting ethnic cleansing
and genocide outside the lawful borders of Israel is another thing
altogether. That should be clear to even the most stupid everywhere.
Peace and Justice
terrorist Muslims have declared to the world that they want to kill all
Israelis and put an end to Israel. Killing the enemy is not genocide.
People who don't know about genocide, ethnic cleansing, or smoke too
much dope, just throw those words around until they lose their meaning.
Like calling a patriot a racist. It simply means the patriot is winning
the argument.
gb
<who...@theboys.net> wrote:
>Phxbrd wrote:
>> "Peace and Justice" <who...@theboys.net> wrote in message
>> news:9dF1m.1073$4Q1....@newsfe01.iad...
>>> Another self destructing Jew. She's jump in an oven for a headline. Why
>>> don't some goofy Jews want to support their own people.
>>> They can't be as fucked up as leftist Americans.
>>
>> Supporting her religious group is one thing, but supporting ethnic cleansing
>> and genocide outside the lawful borders of Israel is another thing
>> altogether. That should be clear to even the most stupid everywhere.
>>
>Defending your country against terrorists is not ethnic cleansing...
If you choose to Call them Terrists, your argument holds.
If they aren't Terrists, but Freedom Fighters defending their own
rights, then it doesn't.
kT
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:23:23 -0700, Peace and Justice
> <who...@theboys.net> wrote:
>
>> Phxbrd wrote:
>>> "Peace and Justice" <who...@theboys.net> wrote in message
>>> news:9dF1m.1073$4Q1....@newsfe01.iad...
>>>> Another self destructing Jew. She's jump in an oven for a headline. Why
>>>> don't some goofy Jews want to support their own people.
>>>> They can't be as fucked up as leftist Americans.
>>> Supporting her religious group is one thing, but supporting ethnic cleansing
>>> and genocide outside the lawful borders of Israel is another thing
>>> altogether. That should be clear to even the most stupid everywhere.
>>>
>> Defending your country against terrorists is not ethnic cleansing...
>
> If you choose to Call them Terrists,
STFU, dialect gasbag.
Phxbrd
What part of "outside the lawful borders" goes over your head? I guess
you're even more stupid than I thought you were.
Phxbrd
"gb" <g...@amusenet.com> wrote in message
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Clue: They have no rights whatsoever outside their border.
Peace and Justice
Strapping bombs on children and retarded women disqualifies a person as
a freedom fighter.
Peace and Justice
to tell us about others.
Phxbrd
Why?
Perhaps you'd like to divert some of the military assistance our corrupt
leaders give to criminal Israel and give it to those poor ass Palestinians.
I'm sure they'd appreciate some long-range bombers so they could kill
indiscriminately from 40,000'. A few dozen F-22's would also be
appreciated, I'm sure. How soon can you get that started?
Sanders Kaufman
>>Defending your country against terrorists is not ethnic cleansing...
>
> If you choose to Call them Terrists, your argument holds.
In his defense, he IS terrified.
Sanders Kaufman
> Strapping bombs on children and retarded women disqualifies a person as a
> freedom fighter.
Dropping bombs on them from 30k feet - now that's freedom fighting, eh?
Phxbrd
Don't ask me, ask the UN. They're the ones that created Israel or didn't
you know? It's been in all the papers since 1948.
gb
Clue: There's a quite reasonable legal dispute about where "their
border" really is. Israel takes quite a cavalier attitude about
"their border" but gets all huffy about its own.
kT
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:19:10 -0700, "Phxbrd"
> <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "gb" <g...@amusenet.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0sf459g7hubqnolk...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:23:23 -0700, Peace and Justice
>>> <who...@theboys.net> wrote:
>
>>>> Defending your country against terrorists is not ethnic cleansing...
>>> If you choose to Call them Terrists, your argument holds.
>>>
>>> If they aren't Terrists, but Freedom Fighters defending their own
>>> rights, then it doesn't.
>> Clue: They have no rights whatsoever outside their border.
>
> Clue: There's a quite reasonable legal dispute
Clue:
You're spinning your wheels, Dungdi, no traction at all.
You've lost it here - all of it.
Peace and Justice
corrupt
> leaders give to criminal Israel and give it to those poor ass Palestinians.
> I'm sure they'd appreciate some long-range bombers so they could kill
> indiscriminately from 40,000'. A few dozen F-22's would also be
> appreciated, I'm sure. How soon can you get that started?
>
you, drug freak.
Peace and Justice
Muslims.
Peace and Justice
you hide behind a beard and moustache? Is it lack of confidence? Lack of
self esteem? Because you are a loser in life?
Peace and Justice
gb
Whereas taking out a wedding party or a crowd on a street with a
Hellfire from 20,000 ft qualifies the pilot as what, exactly?
It Doesn't Matter how people are killed.
Dead is just dead. The means are largely irrelevant, save for those
who continually seek vengeance in a danse macabre for the previous
act.
Leading, inevitably, to War Without End -- amen.
kT
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:25:49 -0700, Peace and Justice
> <who...@theboys.net> wrote:
>
>> Strapping bombs on children and retarded women disqualifies a person as
>> a freedom fighter.
>
> Whereas taking out a wedding party
Dungdi!
You're done here, get over yourself!
Phxbrd
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:19:10 -0700, "Phxbrd"
> <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"gb" <g...@amusenet.com> wrote in message
>>news:g0sf459g7hubqnolk...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:23:23 -0700, Peace and Justice
>>> <who...@theboys.net> wrote:
>
>>>>Defending your country against terrorists is not ethnic cleansing...
>>>
>>> If you choose to Call them Terrists, your argument holds.
>>>
>>> If they aren't Terrists, but Freedom Fighters defending their own
>>> rights, then it doesn't.
>>
>>Clue: They have no rights whatsoever outside their border.
>
> Clue: There's a quite reasonable legal dispute about where "their
> border" really is.
That's a god damned lie. Israel's border is precisely defined. Even their
leaders have admitted it. Sharon for one. They've only said they would
occupy land of others "until peace returns to the area".
See Catch 22
> Israel takes quite a cavalier attitude about
> "their border" but gets all huffy about its own.
Who gives a fuck what the murdering thugs want? I won't listen to anything
they say until they get back inside their borders and give up their efforts
of ethnic cleansing and genocide. The entire world, save a few of our
toadys, despise Israel for their despicable behavior.
gb
<lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>"gb" <g...@amusenet.com> wrote in message
>news:kjag451jeloqq4bas...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:19:10 -0700, "Phxbrd"
>> <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"gb" <g...@amusenet.com> wrote in message
>>>news:g0sf459g7hubqnolk...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:23:23 -0700, Peace and Justice
>>>> <who...@theboys.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>Defending your country against terrorists is not ethnic cleansing...
>>>>
>>>> If you choose to Call them Terrists, your argument holds.
>>>>
>>>> If they aren't Terrists, but Freedom Fighters defending their own
>>>> rights, then it doesn't.
>>>
>>>Clue: They have no rights whatsoever outside their border.
>>
>> Clue: There's a quite reasonable legal dispute about where "their
>> border" really is.
>
>That's a god damned lie. Israel's border is precisely defined.
Hardly. Israel claims and occupies territories Outside its borders as
precisely defined.
> Even their
>leaders have admitted it. Sharon for one. They've only said they would
>occupy land of others "until peace returns to the area".
And since Israel can ensure that peace does Not return to the area,
that's quite the convenient statement, idnit?
>See Catch 22
See Milo Minderbinder, who turned The Catch to his own considerable
advantage.0
>> Israel takes quite a cavalier attitude about
>> "their border" but gets all huffy about its own.
>
>Who gives a fuck what the murdering thugs want? I won't listen to anything
>they say until they get back inside their borders and give up their efforts
>of ethnic cleansing and genocide. The entire world, save a few of our
>toadys, despise Israel for their despicable behavior.
The entire world does not -- and you're arguing with someone whom you
ought not to be arguing with. Do try to comprehend what's written
there on the topic.
I don't support Israel at all - yet it is clear that there are those
elements, Netanyahu among them, who claim a Gawd-Given Right to Eretz
Israel - that the Entire territory is theirs because several millennia
back, they happened to live there. That does constitute quite the
legal dispute, and it has been legally disputed.
Phxbrd
And you have the balls/stupidity to call yourself "Peace and Justice" when
you're only a bad joke.
Peace and Justice
more rediculous. Now, you want to think about funny stuff, think of
dying Muslims thinking they are going to get 72 virgins.
kT
> The entire world does not -- and you're arguing with someone whom you
> ought not to be arguing with.
It's the world-infamous and trying to launch a uselessnet comeback,
Dungdi the Petsecutioner!
Need some animals killed, he's you man.
Wonder if that extends to Jews too...
kT
> "gb" <g...@amusenet.com> wrote in message
> news:kjag451jeloqq4bas...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:19:10 -0700, "Phxbrd"
>> <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "gb" <g...@amusenet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g0sf459g7hubqnolk...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:23:23 -0700, Peace and Justice
>>>> <who...@theboys.net> wrote:
>>>>> Defending your country against terrorists is not ethnic cleansing...
>>>> If you choose to Call them Terrists, your argument holds.
>>>>
>>>> If they aren't Terrists, but Freedom Fighters defending their own
>>>> rights, then it doesn't.
>>> Clue: They have no rights whatsoever outside their border.
>> Clue: There's a quite reasonable legal dispute about where "their
>> border" really is.
>
>
>
> That's a god damned lie.
Oh whip it up little man, and learn to capitalize His name, you heathen.
gb
<who...@theboys.net> wrote:
>Your Commie buddy Shitzer closes with "peace and justice" which is even
>more rediculous.
What;'s "rediculous" (sic) is watching Wingnuts define anyone who does
not agree with them a priori as a Cawmnist.
It's not so.
> Now, you want to think about funny stuff, think of
>dying Muslims thinking they are going to get 72 virgins.
If you choose to invent some sort of Heaven, that one's not bad at
all! Though why they would want Virgins is open for some discussion.
OTOH, Mormons can have sex in their heaven -- which seems superior to
the Xtian version involving mostly Prize-Sanging and Harp-Flanging for
all eternity. And gold is so outre' as a color anyway.
Organized superstitions can invent whatever heavenly rules they like.
It doesn't really matter, does it?
Peace and Justice
You're just as much a depressed loser as Kaufman. You should read his or
McAfee's loser posts.
Phxbrd
"Phxbrd" <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It was announced today that more illegal settlements are planned. All such
settlements should be bombed into extinction.
gb
<who...@theboys.net> wrote:
Hardly a Loser, in any sense of the term.
I require no promise of an Xtian heaven in order to try to live a
decent life, be beholden to my friends and neighbors and live, insofar
as is possible, simply and at peace. Likewise, I require no threat of
any hell to cause me Not to do the things I choose, the only Proviso
that they don't harm you or anyone else in the process.
Neither causes me to want to interefere in Your life to any degree at
all. Even when, as you will, you choose to act foolishly. That's
just a part of the human condition.
The real Losers are those who live their live in superstitious fear,
or who trust that they will live eternally if only they follow the
dictates of some nomadic desert shepherds from 3500 years ago.
If the Muslims choose to believe they will be in a place where each of
them getgs 72 virgins, fine with me. (Though it is not entirely
explained what the virtuous women get.)
If the Mormons choose to believe they will indulge in eternal sex, hey
-- that's a real marketing advantage! Beats harps and streets of
gold, certainly.
For myself, I rather prefer the Buddhist approach -- that one ends up
losing oneself entirely in the fabric of the universe. The
reincarnation thing is a bit of a bother, though. I might be forced
to come back as a Wingnut -- and that would be eternal damnation
indeed!
kT
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:05:21 -0700, Peace and Justice
> <who...@theboys.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Your Commie buddy Shitzer closes with "peace and justice" which is even
>> more rediculous.
>
> What;'s "rediculous" (sic) is watching Wingnuts
Yet you are compelled to do so, you great, bloated pet-killing gasbag!
kT
IGNORE the scumbag, we all thought we were rid of his fat bloated ass.
kT
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:42:06 -0700, Peace and Justice
> <who...@theboys.net> wrote:
>
>> gb wrote:
>>> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:05:21 -0700, Peace and Justice
>>> <who...@theboys.net> wrote:
>
>>>> Now, you want to think about funny stuff, think of
>>>> dying Muslims thinking they are going to get 72 virgins.
>>> If you choose to invent some sort of Heaven, that one's not bad at
>>> all! Though why they would want Virgins is open for some discussion.
>>>
>>> OTOH, Mormons can have sex in their heaven -- which seems superior to
>>> the Xtian version involving mostly Prize-Sanging and Harp-Flanging for
>>> all eternity. And gold is so outre' as a color anyway.
>>>
>>> Organized superstitions can invent whatever heavenly rules they like.
>>> It doesn't really matter, does it?
>> You're just as much a depressed loser as Kaufman. You should read his or
>> McAfee's loser posts.
>
> Hardly a Loser,
Why do you kill your pets, Homuth?
mrmcafee
I certainly do not advocate that, but I have wondered why it was that
the settlements were not the targets of Hamas rocket attacks. Seems to
me that those targets could be attacked with a lot more validity than
Israel proper.
>
>
>
>
>
--
"God help us; we're in the hands of engineers."
Michael Crichton via his character Dr. Ian Malcolm in "Jurassic Park"
Phxbrd
"kT" <bo...@ry.layer> wrote in message
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Fuck both you and your god.
gb
<"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>Phxbrd wrote:
>> It was announced today that more illegal settlements are planned. All such
>> settlements should be bombed into extinction.
>
>
>I certainly do not advocate that, but I have wondered why it was that
>the settlements were not the targets of Hamas rocket attacks. Seems to
>me that those targets could be attacked with a lot more validity than
>Israel proper.
How would the difference matter to any reasonable degree?
The Israelis consider the settlements to be a part of Eretz Israel. An
attack on them is an attack on Israel itself - and that is Precisely
how they would treat it, with the usual responses.
kT
Straight to HELL with you!
kT
his usual marxist dog shit...
kT
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:43:05 -0700, mrmcafee
> <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Phxbrd wrote:
>
>>> It was announced today that more illegal settlements are planned. All such
>>> settlements should be bombed into extinction.
>>
>> I certainly do not advocate that, but I have wondered why it was that
>> the settlements were not the targets of Hamas rocket attacks. Seems to
>> me that those targets could be attacked with a lot more validity than
>> Israel proper.
>
> How would the difference matter
Dungdi is working all the out of state marxists now - expect to see him
roll on down to Kaufman next...
The poor disgraced old pet killer.
Peace and Justice
Peace and Justice
You are responding to an armchair Communist.
gb
Whatever that might be. Wingnuts tend to equate disagreement on Any
topic with Cawmnism. But so far as I am aware, Cawmnism has precisely
Nothing to do with the topic of the instant discussion.
Remember, after all, the kibbutz movement in Israel. Those were
Communes.
And as Archie Bunker once said, "Anyone who would live in a CawmYoon
is a CawnYoonIst."
One of The best lines of the series.
kT
I'm afraid you are too ;-)
Dungdi is a freak who kills his pets off execution style, a.22 to the ear.
He even takes his wife's finches, ziplock bags them, and puts them in
the freezer to die.
He's also a born Canuk who reviles America and refers to us as "murkens".
He's one turban away from being what he calls a "terrist".
And he's a serial liar and self-professed "expert" on everything.
Into the timeout cooler with him, the pompous gasbag.
kT
> Wingnuts...Cawmnism....
Drop dead, commie tool.
mrmcafee
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:43:05 -0700, mrmcafee
> <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Phxbrd wrote:
>
>>> It was announced today that more illegal settlements are planned. All such
>>> settlements should be bombed into extinction.
>>
>> I certainly do not advocate that, but I have wondered why it was that
>> the settlements were not the targets of Hamas rocket attacks. Seems to
>> me that those targets could be attacked with a lot more validity than
>> Israel proper.
>
> How would the difference matter to any reasonable degree?
The settlements could be considered to be "worthy" of attack since
their creation can be considered to be provocative and a stumbling block
to peace in the region.
>
> The Israelis consider the settlements to be a part of Eretz Israel. An
> attack on them is an attack on Israel itself - and that is Precisely
> how they would treat it, with the usual responses.
It would be world opinion that could be positively affected, and I also
believe that many in Israel would see the attack of settlements as a
natural response to their creation in Palestinian territory. Certainly
they would make a more illegitimate target then civilian populations in
Israel proper who are targeted today.
Peace and Justice
> is a CawnYoonIst."
>
> One of The best lines of the series.
Remember he called people like you "Meathead."
Peace and Justice
> believe that many in Israel would see the attack of settlements as a
> natural response to their creation in Palestinian territory. Certainly
> they would make a more illegitimate target then civilian populations in
> Israel proper who are targeted today.
>
targets.
gb
Nah - I was never anything like his son in law. Didn't dress the
same, didn't marry a ditz, didn't hold the same ideas.
gb
<"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>gb wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:43:05 -0700, mrmcafee
>> <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I have wondered why it was that
>>> the settlements were not the targets of Hamas rocket attacks. Seems to
>>> me that those targets could be attacked with a lot more validity than
>>> Israel proper.
>>
>> How would the difference matter to any reasonable degree?
>
>
>The settlements could be considered to be "worthy" of attack since
>their creation can be considered to be provocative and a stumbling block
>to peace in the region.
Why not then simply attack the folks who started and support the
settlements?
Works either way.
>> The Israelis consider the settlements to be a part of Eretz Israel. An
>> attack on them is an attack on Israel itself - and that is Precisely
>> how they would treat it, with the usual responses.
>
>It would be world opinion that could be positively affected,
World opinion holds no suasive effect in the area. That's been
demonstrated many times over.
> and I also
>believe that many in Israel would see the attack of settlements as a
>natural response to their creation in Palestinian territory.
And would feel fully justified in treating attacks on the Israelis
within the settlements as an attack on every other Israeli elsewhere.
>Certainly they would make a more illegitimate target then civilian populations in
>Israel proper who are targeted today.
Not in any particular way that matters. An Israeli in a settlement is
just like an Israeli in Tel Aviv, to their way of thinking.
You're trying to inflict Rules on the conflict. There are none and no
need for any - on either side.
mrmcafee
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:51:25 -0700, mrmcafee
> <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> gb wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:43:05 -0700, mrmcafee
>>> <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have wondered why it was that
>>>> the settlements were not the targets of Hamas rocket attacks. Seems to
>>>> me that those targets could be attacked with a lot more validity than
>>>> Israel proper.
>>> How would the difference matter to any reasonable degree?
>>
>> The settlements could be considered to be "worthy" of attack since
>> their creation can be considered to be provocative and a stumbling block
>> to peace in the region.
>
> Why not then simply attack the folks who started and support the
> settlements?
>
> Works either way.
Who do you think lives in them?
>
>>> The Israelis consider the settlements to be a part of Eretz Israel. An
>>> attack on them is an attack on Israel itself - and that is Precisely
>>> how they would treat it, with the usual responses.
>> It would be world opinion that could be positively affected,
>
> World opinion holds no suasive effect in the area. That's been
> demonstrated many times over.
Beats having the world think of you as a bunch of terrorist which is
what the Palestinian efforts have lead to today.
>
>> and I also
>> believe that many in Israel would see the attack of settlements as a
>> natural response to their creation in Palestinian territory.
>
> And would feel fully justified in treating attacks on the Israelis
> within the settlements as an attack on every other Israeli elsewhere.
Don't you think that many of those folks would think that the settlers
brought the attacks upon themselves?
>
>> Certainly they would make a more illegitimate target then civilian populations in
>> Israel proper who are targeted today.
>
> Not in any particular way that matters. An Israeli in a settlement is
> just like an Israeli in Tel Aviv, to their way of thinking.
I think a wedge could be created there with a little skillful propaganda
from the Palestinians. Certainly terrorist attacks into Israel proper
via small rockets isn't working.
>
> You're trying to inflict Rules on the conflict. There are none and no
> need for any - on either side.
gb
<"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>gb wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:51:25 -0700, mrmcafee
>> <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The settlements could be considered to be "worthy" of attack since
>>> their creation can be considered to be provocative and a stumbling block
>>> to peace in the region.
>>
>> Why not then simply attack the folks who started and support the
>> settlements?
>>
>> Works either way.
>
>Who do you think lives in them?
Israelis who demand Eretz Israel live all over the place.
>>>> The Israelis consider the settlements to be a part of Eretz Israel. An
>>>> attack on them is an attack on Israel itself - and that is Precisely
>>>> how they would treat it, with the usual responses.
>>> It would be world opinion that could be positively affected,
>>
>> World opinion holds no suasive effect in the area. That's been
>> demonstrated many times over.
>
>Beats having the world think of you as a bunch of terrorist which is
>what the Palestinian efforts have lead to today.
For part of The World, that's true. For a different part, it's not.
Try not to think of Yourself and Those Like You as "the world." You're
but a small part of it.
>>> and I also
>>> believe that many in Israel would see the attack of settlements as a
>>> natural response to their creation in Palestinian territory.
>>
>> And would feel fully justified in treating attacks on the Israelis
>> within the settlements as an attack on every other Israeli elsewhere.
>
>Don't you think that many of those folks would think that the settlers
>brought the attacks upon themselves?
Doesn't matter if Some of them do or not. What matters is what the
Israeli Gubmint does -- not what Israelis think. Since Netanyahu's
coalition depends on the support of the Eretz Israel political
parties, and would withdraw if the settlements were not (a) protected
and (b) expanded, the Israeli gubmint is going to act as it chooses.
In this case, Many isn't Enough, and doesn't matter.
>>> Certainly they would make a more illegitimate target then civilian populations in
>>> Israel proper who are targeted today.
>>
>> Not in any particular way that matters. An Israeli in a settlement is
>> just like an Israeli in Tel Aviv, to their way of thinking.
>
>I think a wedge could be created there with a little skillful propaganda
> from the Palestinians. Certainly terrorist attacks into Israel proper
>via small rockets isn't working.
Depends on what you think Working means. To the degree that folks
continue to overreact -- and that would include both the West and the
Israelis themselves -- and kill ten for every one they lose, and cut
off access and economic activity to the rest, then to my way of
thinking the small rocket attacks are Working just fine.
No Palestinian believes that they will either cause substantial
physical harm to anything or anyone, save on the most random of bases.
But they Will keep the matter in the meeja, and they Will provoke a
demand for Action from the extremists within the Israeli gubmint once
again.
No question that will come at a cost. To the degree that the
Palestinians -- or even a substantial fraction of them -- are willing
to pay that cost, the rocket attacks work just fine.
Phxbrd
"kT" <bo...@ry.layer> wrote in message
I've been to California a number of times. You?
General Malaise
LOL!
Several as well...
General Malaise
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:23:45 -0700, Peace and Justice
> <who...@theboys.net> wrote:
>
>>> And as Archie Bunker once said, "Anyone who would live in a CawmYoon
>>> is a CawnYoonIst."
>>>
>>> One of The best lines of the series.
>> Remember he called people like you "Meathead."
>
> Nah - I was never anything like his son in law.
Dungdi keeps trying to revive himself outside of or.politics...
Phxbrd
"mrmcafee" <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in message
news:Q8t2m.7051$6A3....@newsfe20.iad...
But the rotten and corrupt leaders who authorized such illegal and immoral
behavior are cowardly hiding back in Israel proper. The only clear course
of corrective action is to fucken bomb the whole schmear.