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Apparently only libs think he's guilty, After Zimmerman's website raises more than $200,000, prosecution asks judge to raise bond.
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Leroy N. Soetoro
Apr 28, 2012, 2:15:29 PM4/28/12
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website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond?lite
The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman
asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman's bond in light of recent
revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.
Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said he wants to know more about the money
before he decides whether to adjust the bond. The judge said he will make
a decision at a later date.
Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara revealed Thursday night that his client's
website had raised about $204,000 in donations, adding that the money has
been placed in an account that can't be accessed directly by Zimmerman or
his family.
"He asked me what to do with his PayPal accounts, and I asked him what he
was talking about," O'Mara told CNN in an interview on Thursday. "He said
those were the accounts that had the money from the website he had. And
there was about ... $204,000 that had come in to date."
O'Mara told the judge about the money at a hearing Friday. The hearing was
previously scheduled to discuss whether Zimmerman's file should be made
public. Zimmerman is accused of second-degree murder in the shooting death
of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin.
O'Mara told the judge the money is currently in a trust fund that he
controls and Zimmerman cannot access.
The website, which was created before Zimmerman turned himself in, has
been shut down by O'Mara, who told the court he was not aware of the money
it had raised when he spoke at Zimmerman's bond hearing last week. The
site included pictures, quotes and a page asking for donations via PayPal.
Zimmerman, 28, the former neighborhood watch volunteer, was released early
Monday from a Florida county jail on $150,000 bail. His family put up 10
percent to secure his release.
Martin's family was distressed to hear Zimmerman had raised so much money,
considering the bond was set by the judge based on his family's limited
wealth, their attorney said.
"They tried to portray themselves as indigent that they did not have any
money," Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump said, according to CNN.
"We think that the court should revoke his bond immediately and he should
be held accountable for misleading the court," he added.
At the bond hearing last week, Zimmerman's wife told the court she did not
know how much money the website had collected in donations, adding that
her brother-in-law helped set it up. She said the family is “trying to
scrape up anything that we possibly can.”
According to CNN, O'Mara said Zimmerman's defense costs could reach $1
million.
"You can really go through a lot of money on a case like this, with the
intensity of it," he said.
At the hearing Friday, the judge said he wouldn't place a gag order on
Zimmerman's attorney, denying prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda's request.
The prosecutor had complained to the court that O'Mara had been talking
about the facts of the case to the media.
Zimmerman says Martin attacked him and he shot in self-defense. He was not
charged for more than six weeks, sparking national protests. Martin was
black; Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is Hispanic.
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Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter
intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be
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Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the
hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws."
Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to
former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New
York's million dollar tax evasion.
Barack Obama and Eric Holder, committed treason by knowingly and
deliberately arming enemies of the United States of America through
Operation Fast and Furious. Complicit in the murder of Federal employees
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website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond?lite
The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman
asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman's bond in light of recent
revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.
Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said he wants to know more about the money
before he decides whether to adjust the bond. The judge said he will make
a decision at a later date.
Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara revealed Thursday night that his client's
website had raised about $204,000 in donations, adding that the money has
been placed in an account that can't be accessed directly by Zimmerman or
his family.
"He asked me what to do with his PayPal accounts, and I asked him what he
was talking about," O'Mara told CNN in an interview on Thursday. "He said
those were the accounts that had the money from the website he had. And
there was about ... $204,000 that had come in to date."
O'Mara told the judge about the money at a hearing Friday. The hearing was
previously scheduled to discuss whether Zimmerman's file should be made
public. Zimmerman is accused of second-degree murder in the shooting death
of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin.
O'Mara told the judge the money is currently in a trust fund that he
controls and Zimmerman cannot access.
The website, which was created before Zimmerman turned himself in, has
been shut down by O'Mara, who told the court he was not aware of the money
it had raised when he spoke at Zimmerman's bond hearing last week. The
site included pictures, quotes and a page asking for donations via PayPal.
Zimmerman, 28, the former neighborhood watch volunteer, was released early
Monday from a Florida county jail on $150,000 bail. His family put up 10
percent to secure his release.
Martin's family was distressed to hear Zimmerman had raised so much money,
considering the bond was set by the judge based on his family's limited
wealth, their attorney said.
"They tried to portray themselves as indigent that they did not have any
money," Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump said, according to CNN.
"We think that the court should revoke his bond immediately and he should
be held accountable for misleading the court," he added.
At the bond hearing last week, Zimmerman's wife told the court she did not
know how much money the website had collected in donations, adding that
her brother-in-law helped set it up. She said the family is “trying to
scrape up anything that we possibly can.”
According to CNN, O'Mara said Zimmerman's defense costs could reach $1
million.
"You can really go through a lot of money on a case like this, with the
intensity of it," he said.
At the hearing Friday, the judge said he wouldn't place a gag order on
Zimmerman's attorney, denying prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda's request.
The prosecutor had complained to the court that O'Mara had been talking
about the facts of the case to the media.
Zimmerman says Martin attacked him and he shot in self-defense. He was not
charged for more than six weeks, sparking national protests. Martin was
black; Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is Hispanic.
--
Obama's black racist USAG appointee.
Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter
intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be
ruled by the black man, cracker!"
Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the
hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws."
Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to
former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New
York's million dollar tax evasion.
Barack Obama and Eric Holder, committed treason by knowingly and
deliberately arming enemies of the United States of America through
Operation Fast and Furious. Complicit in the murder of Federal employees
during the execution of their duties.
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Lookout
Apr 29, 2012, 4:28:37 PM4/29/12
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:15:29 +0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
<leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/27/11427416-after-zimmermans-
>website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond?lite
>
>The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman
>asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman's bond in light of recent
>revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.
>
>Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said he wants to know more about the money
>before he decides whether to adjust the bond. The judge said he will make
>a decision at a later date.
>
>Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara revealed Thursday night that his client's
>website had raised about $204,000 in donations, adding that the money has
>been placed in an account that can't be accessed directly by Zimmerman or
>his family.
>
>"He asked me what to do with his PayPal accounts, and I asked him what he
>was talking about,"
So we know Zimmerman's attorney will lie for him.
<leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/27/11427416-after-zimmermans-
>website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond?lite
>
>The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman
>asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman's bond in light of recent
>revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.
>
>Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said he wants to know more about the money
>before he decides whether to adjust the bond. The judge said he will make
>a decision at a later date.
>
>Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara revealed Thursday night that his client's
>website had raised about $204,000 in donations, adding that the money has
>been placed in an account that can't be accessed directly by Zimmerman or
>his family.
>
>"He asked me what to do with his PayPal accounts, and I asked him what he
>was talking about,"
Gunner Asch
Apr 29, 2012, 7:00:03 PM4/29/12
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:28:37 -0500, Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Like all the Leftwingers have been lying about po widdle Martin?
Like you have been lying about Zimmerman?
Say it aint so!!
Gunner
--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
wrote:
Like you have been lying about Zimmerman?
Say it aint so!!
Gunner
--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
JohnJohnsn
Apr 29, 2012, 7:27:48 PM4/29/12
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On Apr 28, 1:15 pm, "Leroy N. Soetoro" <leroysoet...@usurper.org>
wrote:
>
>
>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/27/11427416-after-zimmermans-website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond
The sole purpose of posting a bail or bond it to assure that the
defendant appear at all hearings where his presence is required and
all phases of the trial, if it goes to trial.
George Zimmerman had _already_ shown his willingness to participate in
this case when he _VOLUNTARILY_ returned to Florida when he heard that
Special Prosecutor Angela Corey was going to announce that charges
were to be filed against him.
The prosecution's request to raise the bail amount is nothing but an
effort to bring financial harm to Zimmerman and his family and "win
points" with the Left-wing media and the race-baiters calling for
Zimmerman's "head on a pike."
wrote:
>
>
>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/27/11427416-after-zimmermans-website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond
>
> The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman
> asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman's bond in light of recent
> revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.
>
WHY???
> The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman
> asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman's bond in light of recent
> revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.
>
The sole purpose of posting a bail or bond it to assure that the
defendant appear at all hearings where his presence is required and
all phases of the trial, if it goes to trial.
George Zimmerman had _already_ shown his willingness to participate in
this case when he _VOLUNTARILY_ returned to Florida when he heard that
Special Prosecutor Angela Corey was going to announce that charges
were to be filed against him.
The prosecution's request to raise the bail amount is nothing but an
effort to bring financial harm to Zimmerman and his family and "win
points" with the Left-wing media and the race-baiters calling for
Zimmerman's "head on a pike."
Tom Gardner
Apr 30, 2012, 3:20:38 AM4/30/12
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Scout
Apr 30, 2012, 4:19:47 AM4/30/12
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You are aware that right at this moment Zimmerman's attorney could sue you
for personal damages for such libel unless you can prove that he lied for
Zimmerman?
Further since your libel is directed against his suitability for his
profession that he doesn't even have to show that he was damaged in any way?
So tell us Lookout...how much can you afford to pay Zimmerman's attorney for
the rest of your life because of your mindless assertions that apparently
lack any factual basis?
Would anyone happen to know Zimmerman's attorney's email address, maybe we
should forward Lookout's message to him?
IOW, Lookout don't let your mouth run away on you lest someone holds you
accountable for it....and don't think that you can't be found so that the
papers can be served against you.
Now, would you like to try that from the top and maybe this time sticking to
the facts and what you can prove?
Gunner Asch
Apr 30, 2012, 6:02:39 AM4/30/12
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Mark O'Mara's email address by me.
Lookout
Apr 30, 2012, 7:54:28 AM4/30/12
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The only truth here is you're an idiot.
Lookout
Apr 30, 2012, 7:56:54 AM4/30/12
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the fund is lying.
>
>You are aware that right at this moment Zimmerman's attorney could sue you
>for personal damages for such libel unless you can prove that he lied for
>Zimmerman?
>
Let him try.
>You are aware that right at this moment Zimmerman's attorney could sue you
>for personal damages for such libel unless you can prove that he lied for
>Zimmerman?
>
>
>Further since your libel is directed against his suitability for his
>profession that he doesn't even have to show that he was damaged in any way?
>
>So tell us Lookout...how much can you afford to pay Zimmerman's attorney for
>the rest of your life because of your mindless assertions that apparently
>lack any factual basis?
>
>Would anyone happen to know Zimmerman's attorney's email address, maybe we
>should forward Lookout's message to him?
>
>IOW, Lookout don't let your mouth run away on you lest someone holds you
>accountable for it....and don't think that you can't be found so that the
>papers can be served against you.
>
>Now, would you like to try that from the top and maybe this time sticking to
>the facts and what you can prove?
>
The story has been all over the news and he's been following the case.
>Further since your libel is directed against his suitability for his
>profession that he doesn't even have to show that he was damaged in any way?
>
>So tell us Lookout...how much can you afford to pay Zimmerman's attorney for
>the rest of your life because of your mindless assertions that apparently
>lack any factual basis?
>
>Would anyone happen to know Zimmerman's attorney's email address, maybe we
>should forward Lookout's message to him?
>
>IOW, Lookout don't let your mouth run away on you lest someone holds you
>accountable for it....and don't think that you can't be found so that the
>papers can be served against you.
>
>Now, would you like to try that from the top and maybe this time sticking to
>the facts and what you can prove?
>
He's lying. Period.
And if he DOESN'T sue me then we know I'm right.
T. Keating
Apr 30, 2012, 8:00:56 AM4/30/12
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>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/27/11427416-after-zimmermans-
>website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond?lite
>
>The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman
>asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman's bond in light of recent
>revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.
>
>Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said he wants to know more about the money
>before he decides whether to adjust the bond. The judge said he will make
>a decision at a later date.
After having recently served as a jury foreman in a Florida trial.
>website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond?lite
>
>The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman
>asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman's bond in light of recent
>revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.
>
>Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said he wants to know more about the money
>before he decides whether to adjust the bond. The judge said he will make
>a decision at a later date.
It all comes down to "Intent".. Did Zimmerman intend to cause a
needless confrontation(reguardless of the outcome).
If the answer is yes.. he's guilty of 2nd degree murder.
if the answer is no.. he's guilty of manslaughter, either voluntary or
involuntary (since Zimmerman was armed and the victim unarmed, and he
had a choice and the victim did not).
de...@dudu.org
Apr 30, 2012, 8:55:03 AM4/30/12
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factual evidence. How much can you afford to pay me he rest of your
worthless life? Which BTW isn't going to be much longer.
de...@dudu.org
Apr 30, 2012, 8:59:27 AM4/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:56:54 -0500, Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>Now, would you like to try that from the top and maybe this time sticking to
>>the facts and what you can prove?
>>
>The story has been all over the news and he's been following the case.
>He's lying. Period.
>
>And if he DOESN'T sue me then we know I'm right.
This is hilarious. Scout believes a Fox repost of an ANONYMOUS
witness who now supposedly comes forward and says they are a witness
to Martin assaulting Zimmerman. But he refuses to accept a national
news report which actually shows O'Mara standing up in front of a
judge in a court hearing and admitting Zimmerman had the money and
knew about it at the time of his bail hearing. O'Mara making a legal
statement in court on national news is not proof but an anonymous
witness reported by Fox is. Is that fucking hilarious or what???
wrote:
>>Now, would you like to try that from the top and maybe this time sticking to
>>the facts and what you can prove?
>>
>The story has been all over the news and he's been following the case.
>He's lying. Period.
>
>And if he DOESN'T sue me then we know I'm right.
witness who now supposedly comes forward and says they are a witness
to Martin assaulting Zimmerman. But he refuses to accept a national
news report which actually shows O'Mara standing up in front of a
judge in a court hearing and admitting Zimmerman had the money and
knew about it at the time of his bail hearing. O'Mara making a legal
statement in court on national news is not proof but an anonymous
witness reported by Fox is. Is that fucking hilarious or what???
Stormin Mormon
Apr 30, 2012, 10:30:32 AM4/30/12
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So, the fact that Trayvon was viciously and savagely beating Zim, that has
no bearing on the case? That Zim was on the ground, in fear for his life?
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"T. Keating" <tkus...@ktcnslt.com> wrote in message
no bearing on the case? That Zim was on the ground, in fear for his life?
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"T. Keating" <tkus...@ktcnslt.com> wrote in message
Lookout
Apr 30, 2012, 11:21:34 AM4/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:30:32 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>So, the fact that Trayvon was viciously and savagely beating Zim, that has
>no bearing on the case? That Zim was on the ground, in fear for his life?
>
>Christopher A. Young
>Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
>.
There is no proof that happened
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>So, the fact that Trayvon was viciously and savagely beating Zim, that has
>no bearing on the case? That Zim was on the ground, in fear for his life?
>
>Christopher A. Young
>Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
>.
RD Sandman
Apr 30, 2012, 12:43:44 PM4/30/12
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de...@dudu.org wrote in news:1v2tp7lsgn1vdq2mi...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:56:54 -0500, Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>Now, would you like to try that from the top and maybe this time
>>>sticking to the facts and what you can prove?
>>>
>>The story has been all over the news and he's been following the case.
>>He's lying. Period.
>>
>>And if he DOESN'T sue me then we know I'm right.
>
> This is hilarious. Scout believes a Fox repost of an ANONYMOUS
> witness who now supposedly comes forward and says they are a witness
> to Martin assaulting Zimmerman. But he refuses to accept a national
> news report which actually shows O'Mara standing up in front of a
> judge in a court hearing and admitting Zimmerman had the money and
> knew about it at the time of his bail hearing.
Which doesn't mean that O'Mara knew about it. The sequence appeared to
be that Zimmerman told O'Mara about it AFTER the bond hearing and asked
him what to do about it. O'Mara had the money transferred from
Zimmerman's Paypal account to a trust account and notified the judge.
Now, it is up to you to show that O'Mara lied about that money during the
bond hearing. Go for it.
http://tinyurl.com/8a2xfob
http://tinyurl.com/7bt5xrn
http://tinyurl.com/6s3ec25
--
If it weren't for my lawyer, I still be in prison.
It went a lot faster with two people digging!!
Joe Martin
Sleep well, tonight.....
RD (The Sandman)
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:56:54 -0500, Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>Now, would you like to try that from the top and maybe this time
>>>sticking to the facts and what you can prove?
>>>
>>The story has been all over the news and he's been following the case.
>>He's lying. Period.
>>
>>And if he DOESN'T sue me then we know I'm right.
>
> This is hilarious. Scout believes a Fox repost of an ANONYMOUS
> witness who now supposedly comes forward and says they are a witness
> to Martin assaulting Zimmerman. But he refuses to accept a national
> news report which actually shows O'Mara standing up in front of a
> judge in a court hearing and admitting Zimmerman had the money and
> knew about it at the time of his bail hearing.
be that Zimmerman told O'Mara about it AFTER the bond hearing and asked
him what to do about it. O'Mara had the money transferred from
Zimmerman's Paypal account to a trust account and notified the judge.
Now, it is up to you to show that O'Mara lied about that money during the
bond hearing. Go for it.
http://tinyurl.com/8a2xfob
http://tinyurl.com/7bt5xrn
http://tinyurl.com/6s3ec25
--
If it weren't for my lawyer, I still be in prison.
It went a lot faster with two people digging!!
Joe Martin
Sleep well, tonight.....
RD (The Sandman)
RD Sandman
Apr 30, 2012, 12:49:00 PM4/30/12
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T. Keating <tkus...@ktcnslt.com> wrote in
news:b6vsp7p5r6ivl54i5...@4ax.com:
776.012 is the self defense statute (including SYG) and 776.032 is the
immunity from criminal prosecution or civil action. Since Florida is an
affirmative defense state it will be up to Angela Corey, the prosecutor
to show that Zimmerman's claim of self defense has no merit.
Gunner Asch
Apr 30, 2012, 12:51:27 PM4/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:00:56 -0400, T. Keating <tkus...@ktcnslt.com>
wrote:
Im afraid Im going to have to disagree with you.
Define "confrontation"
Then give us the standards for self defense.
Or are you claiming that if I ask you for the time and you attack me and
I shoot you...Im guilty of ?
wrote:
Define "confrontation"
Then give us the standards for self defense.
Or are you claiming that if I ask you for the time and you attack me and
I shoot you...Im guilty of ?
Gunner Asch
Apr 30, 2012, 2:13:59 PM4/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:54:28 -0500, Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Of course not. Its just that Leftists lie as a matter of course. Day to
day lying is normal with them. Its part of their mental illness issues.
You are a perfect example, which you prove with each post you make.
wrote:
day lying is normal with them. Its part of their mental illness issues.
You are a perfect example, which you prove with each post you make.
Scout
Apr 30, 2012, 5:10:16 PM4/30/12
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<de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
news:br2tp7hl8s12qisll...@4ax.com...
Would you like me to show you?
Second, and a unknown person nothing I say against you is libel.
So, once again we see you don't know as much as you think you do.
> How much can you afford to pay me he rest of your
> worthless life? Which BTW isn't going to be much longer.
Ok, I'll accept your suit for libel and you can accept my counter criminal
and civil suit for issuing threats across state lines.
Want to play?
Scout
Apr 30, 2012, 5:18:40 PM4/30/12
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<de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
news:1v2tp7lsgn1vdq2mi...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:56:54 -0500, Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>Now, would you like to try that from the top and maybe this time sticking
>>>to
>>>the facts and what you can prove?
>>>
>>The story has been all over the news and he's been following the case.
>>He's lying. Period.
>>
>>And if he DOESN'T sue me then we know I'm right.
>
> This is hilarious.
It certainly is, whether Lookout is sued or not does not alter the validity
> wrote:
>
>>>Now, would you like to try that from the top and maybe this time sticking
>>>to
>>>the facts and what you can prove?
>>>
>>The story has been all over the news and he's been following the case.
>>He's lying. Period.
>>
>>And if he DOESN'T sue me then we know I'm right.
>
> This is hilarious.
of what I stated to him.
At most it just shows that Lookout had nothing worth going after.
> Scout believes a Fox repost of an ANONYMOUS
> witness who now supposedly comes forward and says they are a witness
> to Martin assaulting Zimmerman.
provided.
Oh, and the witness' identity is known to the police even if the media
doesn't know it.
So, yea, I do find the account there was an eyewitness to be creditable at
this moment in time, while you are floundering around trying to invent
excuses for why such evidence should be dismissed out of hand because you've
already decided that Zimmerman is guilty.
> But he refuses to accept a national
> news report which actually shows O'Mara standing up in front of a
> judge in a court hearing and admitting Zimmerman had the money and
> knew about it at the time of his bail hearing.
have yet to cite him doing so, nor does anything O'Mara say constitute
perjury by Zimmerman. I told you were to look for the evidence of the
perjury you claim, but for some reason you refuse to look at his actual
sworn testimony and show me where he lied.
Free Hint: If Zimmerman wasn't asked about it, then he didn't lie. Your own
source states it was "Zimmerman's family" testifying.
> O'Mara making a legal
> statement in court on national news is not proof but an anonymous
> witness reported by Fox is.
Zimmerman committed perjury, and the source documents are available (ie the
court transcripts) to validiate and confirm your claim that Zimmerman
engaged in perjury. So no, O'Mara making the statement he did does not
constitute proof that Zimmerman lied under oath.
A report by Fox that an eyewitness was questioned by the police however does
establish reasonable evidence that an eyewitness existed.
> Is that fucking hilarious or what???
the humor in your stupidity.
Scout
Apr 30, 2012, 5:21:50 PM4/30/12
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"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA04562F85...@216.196.121.131...
> de...@dudu.org wrote in news:1v2tp7lsgn1vdq2mi...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:56:54 -0500, Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>Now, would you like to try that from the top and maybe this time
>>>>sticking to the facts and what you can prove?
>>>>
>>>The story has been all over the news and he's been following the case.
>>>He's lying. Period.
>>>
>>>And if he DOESN'T sue me then we know I'm right.
>>
>> This is hilarious. Scout believes a Fox repost of an ANONYMOUS
>> witness who now supposedly comes forward and says they are a witness
>> to Martin assaulting Zimmerman. But he refuses to accept a national
>> news report which actually shows O'Mara standing up in front of a
>> judge in a court hearing and admitting Zimmerman had the money and
>> knew about it at the time of his bail hearing.
>
> Which doesn't mean that O'Mara knew about it. The sequence appeared to
> be that Zimmerman told O'Mara about it AFTER the bond hearing and asked
> him what to do about it. O'Mara had the money transferred from
> Zimmerman's Paypal account to a trust account and notified the judge.
>
> Now, it is up to you to show that O'Mara lied about that money during the
> bond hearing. Go for it.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8a2xfob
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7bt5xrn
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6s3ec25
Actually it's up to him to show that Zimmerman lied about that money. I
>
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:56:54 -0500, Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>Now, would you like to try that from the top and maybe this time
>>>>sticking to the facts and what you can prove?
>>>>
>>>The story has been all over the news and he's been following the case.
>>>He's lying. Period.
>>>
>>>And if he DOESN'T sue me then we know I'm right.
>>
>> This is hilarious. Scout believes a Fox repost of an ANONYMOUS
>> witness who now supposedly comes forward and says they are a witness
>> to Martin assaulting Zimmerman. But he refuses to accept a national
>> news report which actually shows O'Mara standing up in front of a
>> judge in a court hearing and admitting Zimmerman had the money and
>> knew about it at the time of his bail hearing.
>
> Which doesn't mean that O'Mara knew about it. The sequence appeared to
> be that Zimmerman told O'Mara about it AFTER the bond hearing and asked
> him what to do about it. O'Mara had the money transferred from
> Zimmerman's Paypal account to a trust account and notified the judge.
>
> Now, it is up to you to show that O'Mara lied about that money during the
> bond hearing. Go for it.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8a2xfob
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7bt5xrn
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6s3ec25
don't see where Zimmerman was ever even asked about any money.
Scout
Apr 30, 2012, 5:23:47 PM4/30/12
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"T. Keating" <tkus...@ktcnslt.com> wrote in message
news:b6vsp7p5r6ivl54i5...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:15:29 +0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
> <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
>
>>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/27/11427416-after-zimmermans-
>>website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond?lite
>>
>>The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman
>>asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman's bond in light of recent
>>revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.
>>
>>Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said he wants to know more about the money
>>before he decides whether to adjust the bond. The judge said he will make
>>a decision at a later date.
>
> After having recently served as a jury foreman in a Florida trial.
> It all comes down to "Intent".. Did Zimmerman intend to cause a
> needless confrontation(reguardless of the outcome).
Currently I see no evidence that Zimmerman ever intended a confrontation,
> <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
>
>>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/27/11427416-after-zimmermans-
>>website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond?lite
>>
>>The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman
>>asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman's bond in light of recent
>>revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.
>>
>>Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said he wants to know more about the money
>>before he decides whether to adjust the bond. The judge said he will make
>>a decision at a later date.
>
> After having recently served as a jury foreman in a Florida trial.
> It all comes down to "Intent".. Did Zimmerman intend to cause a
> needless confrontation(reguardless of the outcome).
and the evidence suggests that Martin was the one who intended to cause a
needless confrontation.
If such intent is the 'proof' of guilt...then wouldn't that mean the Martin
could be guilty of his own murder (ie suicide)?
RD Sandman
Apr 30, 2012, 5:32:40 PM4/30/12
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"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:jnmvph$nni$1...@dont-email.me:
Well, his wife was asked about monies for bail and she replied that they
had none. Zimmerman was right there when she said it and did not correct
her for what that's worth.
news:jnmvph$nni$1...@dont-email.me:
had none. Zimmerman was right there when she said it and did not correct
her for what that's worth.
Gunner Asch
Apr 30, 2012, 6:09:37 PM4/30/12
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Gunner
>
>>>Would anyone happen to know Zimmerman's attorney's email address, maybe we
>>>should forward Lookout's message to him?
>>>
>>>IOW, Lookout don't let your mouth run away on you lest someone holds you
>>>accountable for it....and don't think that you can't be found so that the
>>>papers can be served against you.
>>>
>>>Now, would you like to try that from the top and maybe this time sticking
>>>to
>>>the facts and what you can prove?
>>>
>>>
Gunner Asch
Apr 30, 2012, 6:11:12 PM4/30/12
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checked the account?
Gunner
Tom Gardner
Apr 30, 2012, 8:29:05 PM4/30/12
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On 4/30/2012 4:19 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
Dude, watch who you respond to!
>
>
Dude, watch who you respond to!
Scout
Apr 30, 2012, 9:53:13 PM4/30/12
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news:XnsA04593F44...@216.196.121.131...
He has no obligation to correct her testimony, nor is remaining silent
perjury on his part.
perjury on his part.
Scout
Apr 30, 2012, 9:55:50 PM4/30/12
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"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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correct another's testimony, nor is his remaining silent when another was
asked.
If he wasn't asked then he doesn't have to say anything. If he was asked and
then didn't tell the truth THEN it would be perjury. What his wife, lawyer
or others said is NOT perjury by Zimmerman.
Scout
Apr 30, 2012, 10:03:27 PM4/30/12
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"Tom Gardner" <mars@tacks> wrote in message
news:SPmdnahtSNHJswLS...@giganews.com...
> On 4/30/2012 4:19 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
> Dude, watch who you respond to!
Sorry but until you correct your quotation is going to this happening on
>>
>>
> Dude, watch who you respond to!
occasion.
Once again, I suggest that you need to roll back your Windows Live to
version 14 (aka 2009) in which Usenet does quote properly but which was
broke (and remains unfixed) in version 15 (aka 2011)
http://www.bestfreewaredownload.com/freeware/t-free-windows-live-messenger-2009-freeware-cpphfnsz.html
If you need I will look around for my Microsoft link, or I have the download
file I got from them for V14.
pyotr filipivich
May 1, 2012, 1:22:11 AM5/1/12
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Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:09:37 -0700
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
As for me, I'd piss on his grave only if I was already there, it
is not an "established" grave yard (gots to respect the dead, dearly
departed, or "others"), and if the flowers need watering.
And I really, really, really had to go.
Otherwise, I've got better things to do.
Sort my belly button lint collection.
Clean the cat box.
Or the grease trap.
Drink cheap beer.
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Old farts these days - not like when I was a boy! We used to
have us Real Geezers in those days! Now, they'll let anybody
with a little gray hair be an old fart!
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>
>>> How much can you afford to pay me he rest of your
>>> worthless life? Which BTW isn't going to be much longer.
>>
>>Threatening me.
>>
>>Ok, I'll accept your suit for libel and you can accept my counter criminal
>>and civil suit for issuing threats across state lines.
>>
>>Want to play?
>
>I get the documentary rights!!! And first piss on DuDus grave!!
Good for you.
>>> How much can you afford to pay me he rest of your
>>> worthless life? Which BTW isn't going to be much longer.
>>
>>Threatening me.
>>
>>Ok, I'll accept your suit for libel and you can accept my counter criminal
>>and civil suit for issuing threats across state lines.
>>
>>Want to play?
>
>I get the documentary rights!!! And first piss on DuDus grave!!
As for me, I'd piss on his grave only if I was already there, it
is not an "established" grave yard (gots to respect the dead, dearly
departed, or "others"), and if the flowers need watering.
And I really, really, really had to go.
Otherwise, I've got better things to do.
Sort my belly button lint collection.
Clean the cat box.
Or the grease trap.
Drink cheap beer.
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Old farts these days - not like when I was a boy! We used to
have us Real Geezers in those days! Now, they'll let anybody
with a little gray hair be an old fart!
Flint
May 1, 2012, 1:30:52 AM5/1/12
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his family's testimony. They most likely did not have access to his
PayPal account, so unless the prosecution can somehow produce a
durable power of attorney stating otherwise, they did not lie when
they said they didn't have the money. Besides, the presence of the
money in the account apparently would have had little or no effect on
determining his bail amount anyway since Zimmerman pretty much got the
standard nominal bail amount for a murder 2 charge anyway. apparently
he got out on 10% bail, another common practice.
These Trayvonites are looking for thinnest pretext to get Zimmerman to
the point they're like mexican jumping beens in a frying pan. The
mental gymnastics are hysterical to watch.
--
MFB
Gunner Asch
May 1, 2012, 8:04:38 AM5/1/12
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:22:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:09:37 -0700
>typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>
>>>> How much can you afford to pay me he rest of your
>>>> worthless life? Which BTW isn't going to be much longer.
>>>
>>>Threatening me.
>>>
>>>Ok, I'll accept your suit for libel and you can accept my counter criminal
>>>and civil suit for issuing threats across state lines.
>>>
>>>Want to play?
>>
>>I get the documentary rights!!! And first piss on DuDus grave!!
>
> Good for you.
>
> As for me, I'd piss on his grave only if I was already there, it
>is not an "established" grave yard (gots to respect the dead, dearly
>departed, or "others"), and if the flowers need watering.
> And I really, really, really had to go.
>
> Otherwise, I've got better things to do.
> Sort my belly button lint collection.
> Clean the cat box.
> Or the grease trap.
> Drink cheap beer.
>
>tschus
>pyotr
I think Id spend the money to make the pilgrimage just to piss on his
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:09:37 -0700
>typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>
>>>> How much can you afford to pay me he rest of your
>>>> worthless life? Which BTW isn't going to be much longer.
>>>
>>>Threatening me.
>>>
>>>Ok, I'll accept your suit for libel and you can accept my counter criminal
>>>and civil suit for issuing threats across state lines.
>>>
>>>Want to play?
>>
>>I get the documentary rights!!! And first piss on DuDus grave!!
>
> Good for you.
>
> As for me, I'd piss on his grave only if I was already there, it
>is not an "established" grave yard (gots to respect the dead, dearly
>departed, or "others"), and if the flowers need watering.
> And I really, really, really had to go.
>
> Otherwise, I've got better things to do.
> Sort my belly button lint collection.
> Clean the cat box.
> Or the grease trap.
> Drink cheap beer.
>
>tschus
>pyotr
headstone and grave. Kinda a lifes dream in a way.
But I could hit all the machinery swap meets in both directions during
the trip.
Gunner
Tom Gardner
May 1, 2012, 10:25:21 AM5/1/12
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emoneyjoe
May 1, 2012, 11:17:54 AM5/1/12
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RD Sandman
May 1, 2012, 11:47:39 AM5/1/12
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Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:te3up7dijij8kkths...@4ax.com:
or commit perjury.
RD Sandman
May 1, 2012, 11:48:10 AM5/1/12
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"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:jnnfr9$cba$1...@dont-email.me:
Bingo!!
news:jnnfr9$cba$1...@dont-email.me:
RD Sandman
May 1, 2012, 11:48:29 AM5/1/12
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"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:jnnfmb$bkp$1...@dont-email.me:
Correct.
news:jnnfmb$bkp$1...@dont-email.me:
RD Sandman
May 1, 2012, 12:43:57 PM5/1/12
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emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com> wrote in
news:6kvvp7l4srn2q98ha...@4ax.com:
At least you got Forte Agent, not Free Agent. Other good readers are:
XNews
40Tude Dialog
MESNews
Xananews
Thunderbird
news:6kvvp7l4srn2q98ha...@4ax.com:
XNews
40Tude Dialog
MESNews
Xananews
Thunderbird
pyotr filipivich
May 1, 2012, 12:46:02 PM5/1/12
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Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on or
about Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:11:12 -0700 did write, type or otherwise
cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
funds for blacks oppressed by The Man?
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
about Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:11:12 -0700 did write, type or otherwise
cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
>
>>> Actually it's up to him to show that Zimmerman lied about that money.
>>> I don't see where Zimmerman was ever even asked about any money.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Well, his wife was asked about monies for bail and she replied that they
>>had none. Zimmerman was right there when she said it and did not correct
>>her for what that's worth.
>
>So perhaps Zimmerman didnt know about the donations until he later
>checked the account?
Have you noticed how Democrats are suddenly opposed to defense
>>> Actually it's up to him to show that Zimmerman lied about that money.
>>> I don't see where Zimmerman was ever even asked about any money.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Well, his wife was asked about monies for bail and she replied that they
>>had none. Zimmerman was right there when she said it and did not correct
>>her for what that's worth.
>
>So perhaps Zimmerman didnt know about the donations until he later
>checked the account?
funds for blacks oppressed by The Man?
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
pyotr filipivich
May 1, 2012, 12:46:02 PM5/1/12
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Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on or
about Tue, 01 May 2012 05:04:38 -0700 did write, type or otherwise
cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
you can take the side excursion to Le Pissior.
Hmmm, wonder if they will have a gift shop? What's the likely
hood that there will be a book store or library in the area?
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.
Scout
May 1, 2012, 6:40:33 PM5/1/12
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"Tom Gardner" <mars@tacks> wrote in message
works. Outlook express had that same issue with certain messages, and
finally someone sat down and wrote a little patch for it to fix what
Microsoft seemed unable or unwilling to do.
PS...be sure you complain to MS about your issues, maybe if enough people
complain they will look into fixing it, and maybe making sure it actually
works like it should.
emoneyjoe
May 1, 2012, 6:48:03 PM5/1/12
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But I am too dumb to use any but this one, almost
20 years now.
RD Sandman
May 1, 2012, 10:30:40 PM5/1/12
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emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com> wrote in
news:lup0q755jj1l4m9np...@4ax.com:
I used to use it but didn't want to for Email. I currently use XNews as
you can see by my header info.
news:lup0q755jj1l4m9np...@4ax.com:
you can see by my header info.
Tom Gardner
May 1, 2012, 11:03:07 PM5/1/12
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good to know it's shortcommings.
Tom Gardner
May 1, 2012, 11:05:01 PM5/1/12
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On 4/30/2012 7:54 AM, Lookout wrote:
>>
> So only "leftists" lie? Care to try and prove that?
>
> The only truth here is you're an idiot.
Another lie! You must be a Leftist!
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 03:20:38 -0400, Tom Gardner<mars@tacks> wrote:
>
>> On 4/29/2012 4:28 PM, Lookout wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:15:29 +0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
>>> <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/27/11427416-after-zimmermans-
>>>> website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond?lite
>>>>
>>>> The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman
>>>> asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman's bond in light of recent
>>>> revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.
>>>>
>>>> Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said he wants to know more about the money
>>>> before he decides whether to adjust the bond. The judge said he will make
>>>> a decision at a later date.
>>>>
>>>> Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara revealed Thursday night that his client's
>>>> website had raised about $204,000 in donations, adding that the money has
>>>> been placed in an account that can't be accessed directly by Zimmerman or
>>>> his family.
>>>>
>>>> "He asked me what to do with his PayPal accounts, and I asked him what he
>>>> was talking about,"
>>>
>>> So we know Zimmerman's attorney will lie for him.
>>
>> Zim hired a leftist lawyer?
>
>> On 4/29/2012 4:28 PM, Lookout wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:15:29 +0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
>>> <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/27/11427416-after-zimmermans-
>>>> website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond?lite
>>>>
>>>> The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman
>>>> asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman's bond in light of recent
>>>> revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.
>>>>
>>>> Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said he wants to know more about the money
>>>> before he decides whether to adjust the bond. The judge said he will make
>>>> a decision at a later date.
>>>>
>>>> Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara revealed Thursday night that his client's
>>>> website had raised about $204,000 in donations, adding that the money has
>>>> been placed in an account that can't be accessed directly by Zimmerman or
>>>> his family.
>>>>
>>>> "He asked me what to do with his PayPal accounts, and I asked him what he
>>>> was talking about,"
>>>
>>> So we know Zimmerman's attorney will lie for him.
>>
>>
> So only "leftists" lie? Care to try and prove that?
>
> The only truth here is you're an idiot.
Another lie! You must be a Leftist!
Lookout
May 1, 2012, 11:12:27 PM5/1/12
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emoneyjoe
May 2, 2012, 1:38:13 AM5/2/12
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On Tue, 01 May 2012 21:30:40 -0500, RD Sandman
I prefer webmail for email because it is safer,
maybe saving a lot of work redoing a system install.
But my IP address changes so fast now,
webmail is almost impossible to use.
I don't see how anything could be better
for ordinary email, I don't use any of the frills.
maybe saving a lot of work redoing a system install.
But my IP address changes so fast now,
webmail is almost impossible to use.
I don't see how anything could be better
for ordinary email, I don't use any of the frills.
Tom Gardner
May 2, 2012, 2:17:32 AM5/2/12
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radical leftist that will say and do anything. For you, the end ALWAYS
justifies the means.
Tom Gardner
May 2, 2012, 2:19:40 AM5/2/12
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On 4/30/2012 11:21 AM, Lookout wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:30:32 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So, the fact that Trayvon was viciously and savagely beating Zim, that has
>> no bearing on the case? That Zim was on the ground, in fear for his life?
>>
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Learn more about Jesus
>> www.lds.org
>> .
> There is no proof that happened
YOU know exactly what happened? YOU know all the particulars of the
case? I'm impressed!
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:30:32 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So, the fact that Trayvon was viciously and savagely beating Zim, that has
>> no bearing on the case? That Zim was on the ground, in fear for his life?
>>
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Learn more about Jesus
>> www.lds.org
>> .
> There is no proof that happened
YOU know exactly what happened? YOU know all the particulars of the
case? I'm impressed!
Lookout
May 2, 2012, 3:03:09 AM5/2/12
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2nd...you say "seem" which means you're not sure. Again, that's not a
definition
3rd...I don't believe the end justifies the mean and in fact I've used
that argument AGAINST several in here.
You fucked up again.
Lookout
May 2, 2012, 3:04:06 AM5/2/12
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Jeff M
May 2, 2012, 8:14:37 AM5/2/12
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they often start making stuff up and pretending you said it, or believe
it, or otherwise try to attribute it to you you. I suppose they hope
that they will have a better chance to refute the lie that they've
falsely attributed to you than they do of refuting what you actually said.
It's also a useful way for them to shift the goalposts, change the
subject, or evade the issue. If you are kept busy disclaiming their
lies about you and your statements or positions, you'll have less
opportunity to advance your own truthful statements or question theirs.
Lookout
May 2, 2012, 9:35:34 AM5/2/12
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On Wed, 02 May 2012 07:14:37 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.Org>
wrote:
>On 5/2/2012 2:04 AM, Lookout wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 May 2012 02:19:40 -0400, Tom Gardner<mars@tacks> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/30/2012 11:21 AM, Lookout wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:30:32 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
>>>> <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, the fact that Trayvon was viciously and savagely beating Zim, that has
>>>>> no bearing on the case? That Zim was on the ground, in fear for his life?
>>>>>
>>>>> Christopher A. Young
>>>>> Learn more about Jesus
>>>>> www.lds.org
>>>>> .
>>>> There is no proof that happened
>>>
>>> YOU know exactly what happened? YOU know all the particulars of the
>>> case? I'm impressed!
>>>
>> Nope. I didn't say that. Why are you lying?
>
>I've noticed that when they are unable to refute what you actually say,
>they often start making stuff up and pretending you said it, or believe
>it, or otherwise try to attribute it to you you. I suppose they hope
>that they will have a better chance to refute the lie that they've
>falsely attributed to you than they do of refuting what you actually said.
>
They are trying to get me to say what they know the can refute. I
don't fall for that shit
wrote:
>On 5/2/2012 2:04 AM, Lookout wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 May 2012 02:19:40 -0400, Tom Gardner<mars@tacks> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/30/2012 11:21 AM, Lookout wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:30:32 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
>>>> <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, the fact that Trayvon was viciously and savagely beating Zim, that has
>>>>> no bearing on the case? That Zim was on the ground, in fear for his life?
>>>>>
>>>>> Christopher A. Young
>>>>> Learn more about Jesus
>>>>> www.lds.org
>>>>> .
>>>> There is no proof that happened
>>>
>>> YOU know exactly what happened? YOU know all the particulars of the
>>> case? I'm impressed!
>>>
>> Nope. I didn't say that. Why are you lying?
>
>I've noticed that when they are unable to refute what you actually say,
>they often start making stuff up and pretending you said it, or believe
>it, or otherwise try to attribute it to you you. I suppose they hope
>that they will have a better chance to refute the lie that they've
>falsely attributed to you than they do of refuting what you actually said.
>
don't fall for that shit
>
>It's also a useful way for them to shift the goalposts, change the
>subject, or evade the issue. If you are kept busy disclaiming their
>lies about you and your statements or positions, you'll have less
>opportunity to advance your own truthful statements or question theirs.
>
Hey...their conservatives so they lie. It's natural to them.
>It's also a useful way for them to shift the goalposts, change the
>subject, or evade the issue. If you are kept busy disclaiming their
>lies about you and your statements or positions, you'll have less
>opportunity to advance your own truthful statements or question theirs.
>
RD Sandman
May 2, 2012, 11:39:35 AM5/2/12
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emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com> wrote in
news:1sh1q7l2qmildqpth...@4ax.com:
I agree......I just prefer to keep Email, RSS, newsgroups and browser as
separate programs. Old habits die hard so I don't do all in ones.
I use Firefox (or Chrome) as a browser...
Thunderbird as Email
RSS Bandit for XML/RSS
XNews for newsgroups.
I also have Rover, MESNews, Xananews and an old version of Forte Agent
lying around. It all keeps me entertained somehow. I haven't really
used an all in one since Netscape although Mozilla still has suite type
programs.
--
It's too bad the people who really know how to run this
country are so busy cutting hair and driving taxis!!
George Burns
news:1sh1q7l2qmildqpth...@4ax.com:
separate programs. Old habits die hard so I don't do all in ones.
I use Firefox (or Chrome) as a browser...
Thunderbird as Email
RSS Bandit for XML/RSS
XNews for newsgroups.
I also have Rover, MESNews, Xananews and an old version of Forte Agent
lying around. It all keeps me entertained somehow. I haven't really
used an all in one since Netscape although Mozilla still has suite type
programs.
--
It's too bad the people who really know how to run this
country are so busy cutting hair and driving taxis!!
George Burns
Tom Gardner
May 2, 2012, 11:52:13 AM5/2/12
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though! (Leftists often do that!)
Tom Gardner
May 2, 2012, 11:53:02 AM5/2/12
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Tom Gardner
May 2, 2012, 11:54:47 AM5/2/12
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Jeff M
May 2, 2012, 12:04:01 PM5/2/12
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say or when you have caught them in some lie perhaps, they will often
result to silly personal attacks and childish insults in a last
desperate attempt to avoid the truth. If those insults and attacks
frequently have a gay theme, I'm told that's also a pretty good
indication that you are dealing with a closeted homosexual.
Now, Tom, did you have anything constructive or even slightly on-topic
to add? I though not.
Michael A. Terrell
May 2, 2012, 6:32:15 PM5/2/12
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RD Sandman wrote:
>
> I also have Rover, MESNews, Xananews and an old version of Forte Agent
> lying around. It all keeps me entertained somehow. I haven't really
> used an all in one since Netscape although Mozilla still has suite type
> programs.
--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.
emoneyjoe
May 2, 2012, 6:37:19 PM5/2/12
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On Wed, 02 May 2012 10:39:35 -0500, RD Sandman
Neither do I, because this version is a DOS version,
I don't have to do all in one, and this also avoids any
accidental sending intended email to a newsgroup.
>I use Firefox (or Chrome) as a browser...
>Thunderbird as Email
>RSS Bandit for XML/RSS
>XNews for newsgroups.
>
>I also have Rover, MESNews, Xananews and an old version of Forte Agent
>lying around. It all keeps me entertained somehow. I haven't really
>used an all in one since Netscape although Mozilla still has suite type
>programs.
I run a small drive C, so I don't install all of
those programs.
I like a couple of programs, SuperNZB and a
video download program for utube videos because
2G is so slow while I wait for 4G, but windows runs
much better with fewer programs installed, and
less work if the hard drive gets messed up.
I don't have to do all in one, and this also avoids any
accidental sending intended email to a newsgroup.
>I use Firefox (or Chrome) as a browser...
>Thunderbird as Email
>RSS Bandit for XML/RSS
>XNews for newsgroups.
>
>I also have Rover, MESNews, Xananews and an old version of Forte Agent
>lying around. It all keeps me entertained somehow. I haven't really
>used an all in one since Netscape although Mozilla still has suite type
>programs.
those programs.
I like a couple of programs, SuperNZB and a
video download program for utube videos because
2G is so slow while I wait for 4G, but windows runs
much better with fewer programs installed, and
less work if the hard drive gets messed up.
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Lookout
May 3, 2012, 12:24:52 AM5/3/12
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Lookout
May 3, 2012, 12:26:09 AM5/3/12
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Lookout
May 3, 2012, 12:26:37 AM5/3/12
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You got nailed, dumbass.
RD Sandman
May 3, 2012, 12:20:36 PM5/3/12
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:zcKdnZ9BsrpyKDzS...@earthlink.com:
>
> RD Sandman wrote:
>>
>> I also have Rover, MESNews, Xananews and an old version of Forte Agent
>> lying around. It all keeps me entertained somehow. I haven't really
>> used an all in one since Netscape although Mozilla still has suite
type
>> programs.
>
>
> Seamonkey.
>
>
Yep. It includes a PA, browser, reader of several things, calendars,
etc... I have considered looking at it but havn't done since the initial
attempt a few years ago.
news:zcKdnZ9BsrpyKDzS...@earthlink.com:
>
> RD Sandman wrote:
>>
>> I also have Rover, MESNews, Xananews and an old version of Forte Agent
>> lying around. It all keeps me entertained somehow. I haven't really
>> used an all in one since Netscape although Mozilla still has suite
type
>> programs.
>
>
> Seamonkey.
>
>
etc... I have considered looking at it but havn't done since the initial
attempt a few years ago.
RD Sandman
May 3, 2012, 12:24:08 PM5/3/12
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emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com> wrote in
news:83d3q7h1shtd6ept9...@4ax.com:
I have a rather big one (as compared to what was available not long ago
so I have different programs loaded on it in whims. Then after looking
at the programs, I usually just uninstall them and still keep the
installer that I downloaded if I kinda like the program.
> I like a couple of programs, SuperNZB and a
> video download program for utube videos because
> 2G is so slow while I wait for 4G, but windows runs
> much better with fewer programs installed, and
> less work if the hard drive gets messed up.
Ahhhh, I have download speeds of 12 to 22 mb with Comcast. DLing
programs is a snap.....not much delay.
news:83d3q7h1shtd6ept9...@4ax.com:
so I have different programs loaded on it in whims. Then after looking
at the programs, I usually just uninstall them and still keep the
installer that I downloaded if I kinda like the program.
> I like a couple of programs, SuperNZB and a
> video download program for utube videos because
> 2G is so slow while I wait for 4G, but windows runs
> much better with fewer programs installed, and
> less work if the hard drive gets messed up.
programs is a snap.....not much delay.
emoneyjoe
May 3, 2012, 1:11:26 PM5/3/12
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On Thu, 03 May 2012 11:24:08 -0500, RD Sandman
I am stuck with 20 KiloBytes per second 2G
until upgraded to 4G.
until upgraded to 4G.
SaPeIsMa
May 3, 2012, 7:01:23 PM5/3/12
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"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:vasup7tp1pe1jbbqh...@4ax.com...
> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:09:37 -0700
> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>
>>>> How much can you afford to pay me he rest of your
>>>> worthless life? Which BTW isn't going to be much longer.
>>>
>>>Threatening me.
>>>
>>>Ok, I'll accept your suit for libel and you can accept my counter
>>>criminal
>>>and civil suit for issuing threats across state lines.
>>>
>>>Want to play?
>>
>>I get the documentary rights!!! And first piss on DuDus grave!!
>
> Good for you.
>
> As for me, I'd piss on his grave only if I was already there
Just salt the gravesite
Then nothing will grow there.
SaPeIsMa
May 3, 2012, 7:27:22 PM5/3/12
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"T. Keating" <tkus...@ktcnslt.com> wrote in message
news:b6vsp7p5r6ivl54i5...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:15:29 +0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
> <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
>
>>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/27/11427416-after-zimmermans-
>>website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond?lite
>>
>>The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman
>>asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman's bond in light of recent
>>revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.
>>
>>Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said he wants to know more about the money
>>before he decides whether to adjust the bond. The judge said he will make
>>a decision at a later date.
>
> After having recently served as a jury foreman in a Florida trial.
> <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
>
>>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/27/11427416-after-zimmermans-
>>website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond?lite
>>
>>The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman
>>asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman's bond in light of recent
>>revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.
>>
>>Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said he wants to know more about the money
>>before he decides whether to adjust the bond. The judge said he will make
>>a decision at a later date.
>
> It all comes down to "Intent".. Did Zimmerman intend to cause a
> needless confrontation(reguardless of the outcome).
>
> If the answer is yes.. he's guilty of 2nd degree murder.
> if the answer is no.. he's guilty of manslaughter, either voluntary or
> involuntary (since Zimmerman was armed and the victim unarmed, and he
> had a choice and the victim did not).
>
You forgot to consider Florida law about self-defense which makes all of the
above difficult to prove and pretty much moot.
Tom Gardner
May 3, 2012, 7:37:42 PM5/3/12
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Tom Gardner
May 3, 2012, 7:39:25 PM5/3/12
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On 5/2/2012 7:51 PM, Deucalion wrote:
> Oh look, it's Tom. With you guys fixation on homosexuality, perhaps
> it's you who needs to get a room and figure out exactly what your
> sexuality is.
I'm told that you are cute! Mabey we could get together soon? Unless
you have something against gays?
> it's you who needs to get a room and figure out exactly what your
> sexuality is.
I'm told that you are cute! Mabey we could get together soon? Unless
you have something against gays?
Tom Gardner
May 3, 2012, 7:41:23 PM5/3/12
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Tom Gardner
May 3, 2012, 7:43:03 PM5/3/12
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leftists are habitual liars.
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pyotr filipivich
May 4, 2012, 1:11:36 AM5/4/12
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"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> on Thu, 3 May 2012 18:01:23 -0500
>
--
pyotr filipivich
Old farts these days - not like when I was a boy! We used to
have us Real Geezers in those days! Now, they'll let anybody
with a little gray hair be an old fart!
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>
>"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:vasup7tp1pe1jbbqh...@4ax.com...
>> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:09:37 -0700
>> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>>
>>>>> How much can you afford to pay me he rest of your
>>>>> worthless life? Which BTW isn't going to be much longer.
>>>>
>>>>Threatening me.
>>>>
>>>>Ok, I'll accept your suit for libel and you can accept my counter
>>>>criminal
>>>>and civil suit for issuing threats across state lines.
>>>>
>>>>Want to play?
>>>
>>>I get the documentary rights!!! And first piss on DuDus grave!!
>>
>> Good for you.
>>
>> As for me, I'd piss on his grave only if I was already there
>
>Just salt the gravesite
> Then nothing will grow there.
Where Bambi goes - nothing grows!
>
>"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:vasup7tp1pe1jbbqh...@4ax.com...
>> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:09:37 -0700
>> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>>
>>>>> How much can you afford to pay me he rest of your
>>>>> worthless life? Which BTW isn't going to be much longer.
>>>>
>>>>Threatening me.
>>>>
>>>>Ok, I'll accept your suit for libel and you can accept my counter
>>>>criminal
>>>>and civil suit for issuing threats across state lines.
>>>>
>>>>Want to play?
>>>
>>>I get the documentary rights!!! And first piss on DuDus grave!!
>>
>> Good for you.
>>
>> As for me, I'd piss on his grave only if I was already there
>
>Just salt the gravesite
> Then nothing will grow there.
>
--
pyotr filipivich
Old farts these days - not like when I was a boy! We used to
have us Real Geezers in those days! Now, they'll let anybody
with a little gray hair be an old fart!
Lookout
May 4, 2012, 6:22:22 AM5/4/12
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Caught you lying AGAIN
Lookout
May 4, 2012, 6:23:58 AM5/4/12
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the word you should be able to define it.
emoneyjoe
May 4, 2012, 6:24:49 AM5/4/12
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On Fri, 04 May 2012 00:35:31 -0400, Deucalion <som...@nowhere.net>
wrote:
>You better watch out. Gunner is going to get jealous, but not jealous
>enough to bring his sorry ass to Laurel Hill.
Can't you all take it to a limp wrist dating site?
wrote:
>enough to bring his sorry ass to Laurel Hill.
Can't you all take it to a limp wrist dating site?
Lookout
May 4, 2012, 6:25:11 AM5/4/12
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Last chance..then it's in the shit can with you.
Tom Gardner
May 4, 2012, 10:38:18 AM5/4/12
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feels to support his masters' agenda. To a leftist, the end ALWAYS
justifies the means. A leftist has NEVER had an original thought.
Prove me wrong: What original thought have you EVER had???
<crickets> (now, shut up and stay on the porch)
Tom Gardner
May 4, 2012, 10:44:20 AM5/4/12
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Lookout
May 4, 2012, 3:47:32 PM5/4/12
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The chicken shit runs away!
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Lookout
May 4, 2012, 3:50:32 PM5/4/12
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I have no master.
>To a leftist, the end ALWAYS justifies the means.
>A leftist has NEVER had an original thought.
>Prove me wrong: What original thought have you EVER had???
knows you thinks you're an idiot.
><crickets> (now, shut up and stay on the porch)
>
Welcome to my shit file, dumbass.
Michael A. Terrell
May 4, 2012, 6:06:52 PM5/4/12
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RD Sandman wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > Seamonkey.
>
> Yep. It includes a PA, browser, reader of several things, calendars,
> etc... I have considered looking at it but havn't done since the initial
> attempt a few years ago.
I prefer the 'Composer' in older Netsacpe versions, but I keep
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > Seamonkey.
>
> Yep. It includes a PA, browser, reader of several things, calendars,
> etc... I have considered looking at it but havn't done since the initial
> attempt a few years ago.
Seamonkey on this computer for Email with lots of HTML crap that crashes
older software.
--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.
Tom Gardner
May 4, 2012, 8:27:12 PM5/4/12
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Please say something else libtardedly stupid for me to laugh at little
pup.
RD Sandman
May 5, 2012, 10:53:21 AM5/5/12
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:7O2dnVZVHbmZzjnS...@earthlink.com:
>
> RD Sandman wrote:
>>
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> >
>> > Seamonkey.
>>
>> Yep. It includes a PA, browser, reader of several things, calendars,
>> etc... I have considered looking at it but havn't done since the
>> initial attempt a few years ago.
>
>
> I prefer the 'Composer' in older Netsacpe versions, but I keep
> Seamonkey on this computer for Email with lots of HTML crap that
> crashes older software.
>
>
Jeff M
May 5, 2012, 1:13:58 PM5/5/12
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On 5/5/2012 9:53 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
> "Michael A. Terrell"<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:7O2dnVZVHbmZzjnS...@earthlink.com:
>
>>
>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Seamonkey.
>>>
>>> Yep. It includes a PA, browser, reader of several things, calendars,
>>> etc... I have considered looking at it but havn't done since the
>>> initial attempt a few years ago.
>>
>>
>> I prefer the 'Composer' in older Netsacpe versions, but I keep
>> Seamonkey on this computer for Email with lots of HTML crap that
>> crashes older software.
>>
>>
>
> I use CoffeeCup for HTML although I don't do much of that anymore.
I tried that, years ago. It was a no-go for me.
> "Michael A. Terrell"<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:7O2dnVZVHbmZzjnS...@earthlink.com:
>
>>
>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Seamonkey.
>>>
>>> Yep. It includes a PA, browser, reader of several things, calendars,
>>> etc... I have considered looking at it but havn't done since the
>>> initial attempt a few years ago.
>>
>>
>> I prefer the 'Composer' in older Netsacpe versions, but I keep
>> Seamonkey on this computer for Email with lots of HTML crap that
>> crashes older software.
>>
>>
>
> I use CoffeeCup for HTML although I don't do much of that anymore.
RD Sandman
May 5, 2012, 2:25:52 PM5/5/12
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Jeff M
May 5, 2012, 2:37:30 PM5/5/12
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On 5/5/2012 1:25 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
> Jeff M<NoS...@NoThanks.Org> wrote in news:XIOdnR-
> QP8grwjjSnZ2...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 5/5/2012 9:53 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>> "Michael A. Terrell"<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>>> news:7O2dnVZVHbmZzjnS...@earthlink.com:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seamonkey.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep. It includes a PA, browser, reader of several things, calendars,
>>>>> etc... I have considered looking at it but havn't done since the
>>>>> initial attempt a few years ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I prefer the 'Composer' in older Netsacpe versions, but I keep
>>>> Seamonkey on this computer for Email with lots of HTML crap that
>>>> crashes older software.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I use CoffeeCup for HTML although I don't do much of that anymore.
>>
>> I tried that, years ago. It was a no-go for me.
>>
>
> HTML or CoffeeCup?
CoffeeCup
> Jeff M<NoS...@NoThanks.Org> wrote in news:XIOdnR-
> QP8grwjjSnZ2...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 5/5/2012 9:53 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>> "Michael A. Terrell"<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>>> news:7O2dnVZVHbmZzjnS...@earthlink.com:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seamonkey.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep. It includes a PA, browser, reader of several things, calendars,
>>>>> etc... I have considered looking at it but havn't done since the
>>>>> initial attempt a few years ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I prefer the 'Composer' in older Netsacpe versions, but I keep
>>>> Seamonkey on this computer for Email with lots of HTML crap that
>>>> crashes older software.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I use CoffeeCup for HTML although I don't do much of that anymore.
>>
>> I tried that, years ago. It was a no-go for me.
>>
>
> HTML or CoffeeCup?
RD Sandman
May 5, 2012, 3:46:41 PM5/5/12
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Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.Org> wrote in news:yq-
dncpzjcfW7jjSn...@giganews.com:
It isn't the easiest to use. I used several others playing around but
used CoffeeCup when I set up my website. I didn't use any of the
WYSIWYGs although even CoffeCup dabbled around with it. Fortunately I
don't have any of the old HTML editors anymore.....I had a harddrive
crash and haven't bothered to restore them. Coffeecup gave me a free
upgrade to 12.1 when all I had was a paid for version of 6.0 so that
worked out for me. All I have used it for was to fix some broken links
on one of my pages.
dncpzjcfW7jjSn...@giganews.com:
used CoffeeCup when I set up my website. I didn't use any of the
WYSIWYGs although even CoffeCup dabbled around with it. Fortunately I
don't have any of the old HTML editors anymore.....I had a harddrive
crash and haven't bothered to restore them. Coffeecup gave me a free
upgrade to 12.1 when all I had was a paid for version of 6.0 so that
worked out for me. All I have used it for was to fix some broken links
on one of my pages.
Gunner Asch
May 5, 2012, 9:16:41 PM5/5/12
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Gunner
--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
Turk
May 12, 2012, 10:25:30 PM5/12/12
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In article <woGdnbZVVN8WiT7S...@bright.net>
The liberals have their pro-immigration policies to thank for
the gun laws in Florida. If Floridians didn't have to defend
themselves again Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Columbians and
yankees, there wouldn't be any need for such laws.
Florida is just like Texas, Mexifornia and Arizona. Under
constant attack by illegals and liberals.
the gun laws in Florida. If Floridians didn't have to defend
themselves again Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Columbians and
yankees, there wouldn't be any need for such laws.
Florida is just like Texas, Mexifornia and Arizona. Under
constant attack by illegals and liberals.
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