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Eugene Grosbein

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Oct 28, 2009, 11:00:25 AM10/28/09

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$ uname -a
Linux mvts 2.4.20-8 #49 �� 18 16:02:55 KRAT 2004 i686 i686 i386
GNU/Linux
$ cat /etc/redhat-release
Red Hat Linux release 9 (Shrike)

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Eugene
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Alex Korchmar

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Oct 28, 2009, 7:20:58 AM10/28/09

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

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EG> $ uname -a
EG> Linux mvts 2.4.20-8 #49 �� 18 16:02:55 KRAT 2004 i686 i686 i386
EG> GNU/Linux
EG> $ cat /etc/redhat-release
EG> Red Hat Linux release 9 (Shrike)
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Eugene Grosbein

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Oct 28, 2009, 12:23:10 PM10/28/09

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28 �� 2009, ��, � 14:20 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

EG>> �� .
EG>> �� (� �� ) � �� Mera ��:
EG>> $ uname -a
EG>> Linux mvts 2.4.20-8 #49 �� 18 16:02:55 KRAT 2004 i686 i686 i386
EG>> GNU/Linux
EG>> $ cat /etc/redhat-release
EG>> Red Hat Linux release 9 (Shrike)

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Eugene
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Alex Korchmar

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Oct 28, 2009, 8:40:50 AM10/28/09

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

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rpm -qi kernel �� ?

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EG> � �� ң� � linux_base9? ��.
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Alexandre Tabounkine

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Oct 28, 2009, 9:20:22 AM10/28/09

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��, Eugene!

28 �� 09 18:00, Eugene Grosbein -> All:

EG> �� .
EG> �� (� �� ) � �� Mera ��:

EG> $ uname -a
EG> Linux mvts 2.4.20-8 #49 �� 18 16:02:55 KRAT 2004 i686 i686 i386
EG> GNU/Linux
EG> $ cat /etc/redhat-release

EG> Red Hat Linux release 9 (Shrike)
H� �� , �� :)
EG> ��, �� .
EG> �� , �� .
�� centos, fedora.

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Alex Korchmar

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Oct 28, 2009, 9:56:52 AM10/28/09

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Alexandre Tabounkine <Alexandre....@p364.f8080.n5020.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

AT> �� centos, fedora.
�� RH - �� RHEL, � �� centos. H� ��
�� RHEL 2.��-��, � �� EOL �� .

> Alex

Egor Glukhov

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Oct 28, 2009, 4:45:30 PM10/28/09

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Good ${greeting_time}, Eugene!

28 Oct 09 18:00, you wrote to All:

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�� Mera? �� -�� .

... god@universe:~ # cvs up && make world

Serguei Khvatov

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Oct 28, 2009, 5:15:39 PM10/28/09

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Wed Oct 28 2009 23:45, Egor Glukhov wrote to Eugene Grosbein:

EG> Good ${greeting_time}, Eugene!

EG> 28 Oct 09 18:00, you wrote to All:

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EG> �� Mera? �� -�� .

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http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/MERA_Networks

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Serguei Khvatov

Vladimir Kurtukov

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Oct 29, 2009, 1:43:35 AM10/29/09

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Hello eugen.

28 Oct 09 19:23, Eugene Grosbein wrote to Alex Korchmar:

EG> �� ӣ ��, �� . ��
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rtfm �� lilo �� grub (�� ),
mkfs. fdisk �� cfdisk �� . ��
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Vladimir

Eugene Grosbein

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Oct 29, 2009, 2:04:38 AM10/29/09

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28 �� 2009, ��, � 23:45 KRAT, Egor Glukhov ��(�):

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EG> �� Mera? �� -�� .

MVTS

Eugene
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Eugene Grosbein

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Oct 29, 2009, 2:04:27 AM10/29/09

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28 �� 2009, ��, � 15:40 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

AK> rpm -qi kernel �� ?

Name : kernel Relocations: (not relocateable)
Version : 2.4.20 Vendor: Red Hat, Inc.
Release : 8 Build Date: �� 14 �� 2003
06:01:52
Install Date: �� 15 �� 2004 18:05:07 Build Host: porky.devel.redhat.com
Group : �� /�� Source RPM: kernel-2.4.20-8.src.rpm
Size : 31954258 License: GPL
Signature : DSA/SHA1, �� 14 �� 2003 06:20:14, Key ID 219180cddb42a60e
Packager : Red Hat, Inc. <http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla>
Summary : �� Linux.
Description :
�� kernel �� Linux (vmlinuz), ��
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Eugene
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Eugene Grosbein

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Oct 29, 2009, 2:05:30 AM10/29/09

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29 �� 2009, ��, � 08:43 KRAT, Vladimir Kurtukov ��(�):

EG>> �� ӣ ��, �� . ��
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VK> rtfm �� lilo �� grub (�� ),
VK> mkfs. fdisk �� cfdisk �� . ��
VK> ��

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�� .

Eugene
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Eugene Grosbein

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Oct 29, 2009, 2:20:12 AM10/29/09

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29 �� 2009, ��, � 09:05 KRAT, Eugene Grosbein ��(�):

VK>> rtfm �� lilo �� grub (�� ),

locate ��, �� . �� :

/dev/hda2 9.9G 2.0G 7.5G 21% /
/dev/hda1 289M 17M 258M 6% /boot
none 236M 0 236M 0% /dev/shm
/dev/hda6 16G 9.7G 5.3G 65% /usr/local
/dev/hda5 9.9G 69M 9.3G 1% /var

� grub.conf:

default=0
timeout=10
splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
title Red Hat Linux (2.4.20-8)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.20-8 ro root=LABEL=/
initrd /initrd-2.4.20-8.img

� lilo.conf:

prompt
timeout=50
default=linux-mvts
boot=/dev/hda
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
message=/boot/message
lba32

image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-8
label=linux
initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.20-8.img
read-only
root=/dev/hda2

image=/boot/kernel-2.4.20-8-mvts
label=linux-mvts
read-only
root=/dev/hda2

�� , �� LILO,
� �� ? �� 300 ��
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Eugene
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Vladimir Kurtukov

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Oct 29, 2009, 2:24:05 AM10/29/09

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Hello eugen.

29 Oct 09 09:05, Eugene Grosbein wrote to me:

EG>>> �� ӣ ��, �� . ��
EG>>> �� , ��-��, ��, �

EG>>> ��-��, �� . ��
EG>>> ��
EG>>> ��, �� ӣ �� .

VK>> rtfm �� lilo �� grub (��

VK>> ��), mkfs. fdisk �� cfdisk �� . ��
VK>> ��

EG> � �� tfm. �� , ��
EG> �� .

� �� , ��-�� ...

Vladimir

Vladimir Kurtukov

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Oct 29, 2009, 4:35:20 AM10/29/09

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Hello eugen.

29 Oct 09 09:20, Eugene Grosbein wrote to Eugene Grosbein:

EG> �� , �� LILO,
EG> � �� ? �� 300 ��
EG> �� .

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Vladimir

Eugene Grosbein

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Oct 29, 2009, 6:22:47 AM10/29/09

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29 �� 2009, ��, � 09:24 KRAT, Vladimir Kurtukov ��(�):

EG>>>> �� ӣ ��, �� . ��

EG>>>> �� , ��-��, ��, �
EG>>>> ��-��, �� . ��
EG>>>> ��
EG>>>> ��, �� ӣ �� .
VK>>> rtfm �� lilo �� grub (��
VK>>> ��), mkfs. fdisk �� cfdisk �� . ��
VK>>> ��
EG>> � �� tfm. �� , ��
EG>> �� .

VK> � �� , ��-�� ...

�� RH9.0, ��
�� VirtualBox?

Eugene
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Eugene Grosbein

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Oct 29, 2009, 6:20:36 AM10/29/09

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29 �� 2009, ��, � 11:35 KRAT, Vladimir Kurtukov ��(�):

EG>> �� , �� LILO,
EG>> � �� ? �� 300 ��
EG>> �� .

VK> �� , �� -��

�� . dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 | hexdump -C ��
�� LILO :-)

Eugene
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Alex Korchmar

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Oct 29, 2009, 3:01:16 AM10/29/09

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

AK>> rpm -qi kernel �� ?

EG> Name : kernel Relocations: (not relocateable)
EG> Version : 2.4.20 Vendor: Red Hat, Inc.
��. ��, � �� .

rpm -qf /boot/vmlinuz-`uname -r`*
rpm -V kernel

> Alex

Alex Korchmar

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Oct 29, 2009, 3:03:16 AM10/29/09

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

EG> �� RH9.0, ��
�� ix86 � �� , �� -�� , ��,
��, �� , �� -��, ��
�� .
EG> �� VirtualBox?
� �� .

> Alex

Vladimir Kurtukov

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Oct 29, 2009, 8:26:51 AM10/29/09

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Hello eugen.

29 Oct 09 13:22, Eugene Grosbein wrote to me:

VK>>>> rtfm �� lilo �� grub (��
VK>>>> ��), mkfs. fdisk �� cfdisk �� . ��
VK>>>> ��
EG>>> � �� tfm. �� , ��
EG>>> �� .
VK>> � �� , ��-�� ...

EG> �� RH9.0, ��
EG> �� VirtualBox?

�� , �� qemu �� .
�� , �� RH9

Vladimir

Alexandre Tabounkine

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Oct 29, 2009, 4:48:12 AM10/29/09

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��, Eugene!

29 �� 09 13:22, Eugene Grosbein -> Vladimir Kurtukov:

EG> �� RH9.0, ��
EG> �� VirtualBox?
you're lucky :)
http://iso.linuxquestions.org/red-hat/red-hat-linux-9-shrike/#main_cds
�� .

� �� , Alexandre.

Alex Korchmar

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Oct 29, 2009, 5:19:01 AM10/29/09

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Vladimir Kurtukov <Vladimir...@f9.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

VK> �� , �� qemu �� .
VK> �� , �� RH9
��, �� , �� . �� rpm �� .

> Alex

Eugene Grosbein

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Oct 29, 2009, 9:37:51 AM10/29/09

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29 �� 2009, ��, � 10:01 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

AK>>> rpm -qi kernel �� ?
EG>> Name : kernel Relocations: (not

EG>> relocateable)

EG>> Version : 2.4.20 Vendor: Red Hat, Inc.

AK> ��. ��, � �� .
AK> rpm -qf /boot/vmlinuz-`uname -r`*
AK> rpm -V kernel

[root@mvts cfg]# rpm -qf /boot/vmlinuz- name -r*
kernel-2.4.20-8
�� /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-8custom ��
[root@mvts cfg]# rpm -V kernel
.M...... /dev/shm

Eugene
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Eugene Grosbein

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Oct 29, 2009, 9:55:51 AM10/29/09

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29 �� 2009, ��, � 11:48 KRAT, Alexandre Tabounkine ��(�):

EG>> �� RH9.0, ��
EG>> �� VirtualBox?
AT> you're lucky :)
AT> http://iso.linuxquestions.org/red-hat/red-hat-linux-9-shrike/#main_cds
AT> �� .

��, � �� -��
�� .

Eugene
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Alex Korchmar

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Oct 29, 2009, 7:18:08 AM10/29/09

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

EG> �� /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-8custom ��
�, ��, �� . ��,
� /usr/src/linux �� .config �� .

> Alex

Ivan Kuznetsov

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Oct 29, 2009, 7:33:47 AM10/29/09

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Hello

Eugene Grosbein О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫:

> О©╫ grub.conf:

> title Red Hat Linux (2.4.20-8)
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.20-8 ro root=LABEL=/
> initrd /initrd-2.4.20-8.img

О©╫ grub.conf О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫

> О©╫ lilo.conf:

> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-8
> label=linux
> initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.20-8.img
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda2
>
> image=/boot/kernel-2.4.20-8-mvts
> label=linux-mvts
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda2

О©╫ О©╫ lilo.conf О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫

> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ LILO,

+1

О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ GRUB

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WBR,
Ivan Kuznetsov

Ivan Kuznetsov

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Oct 29, 2009, 7:38:50 AM10/29/09

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Hello

Eugene Grosbein О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫:

> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ RH9.0, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ VirtualBox?

О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫

$ ls -l
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ 1814320
-rw-r--r-- 1 10000 backup 168 О©╫О©╫О©╫ 26 2004 MD5SUM
-rw-r--r-- 1 10000 backup 669302784 О©╫О©╫О©╫ 26 2004 shrike-i386-disk1.iso
-rw-r--r-- 1 10000 backup 677822464 О©╫О©╫О©╫ 26 2004 shrike-i386-disk2.iso
-rw-r--r-- 1 10000 backup 508903424 О©╫О©╫О©╫ 26 2004 shrike-i386-disk3.iso

О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ ~900О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ 2 О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ utf8

WBR
Ivan Kuznetsov

P.S. О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫-О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ RH9. О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫

О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫

P.P.S. О©╫ VMware RH9 О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. VirtualBox О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫

Eugene Grosbein

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Oct 29, 2009, 12:23:55 PM10/29/09

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29 �� 2009, ��, � 14:33 KRAT, Ivan Kuznetsov ��(�):

IK> ��, �� GRUB

��, ��
legacy-�� .

Eugene
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Eugene Grosbein

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Oct 29, 2009, 1:16:51 PM10/29/09

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29 �� 2009, ��, � 14:18 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

EG>> �� /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-8custom ��
AK> �, ��, �� . ��,
AK> � /usr/src/linux �� .config �� .

$ cd /usr/src/linux
-bash: cd: /usr/src/linux: No such file or directory

Eugene
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Eugene Grosbein

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29 �� 2009, ��, � 14:38 KRAT, Ivan Kuznetsov ��(�):

IK> �� , �� - ��
IK> $ ls -l
IK> �� 1814320
IK> -rw-r--r-- 1 10000 backup 168 �� 26 2004 MD5SUM
IK> -rw-r--r-- 1 10000 backup 669302784 �� 26 2004 shrike-i386-disk1.iso
IK> -rw-r--r-- 1 10000 backup 677822464 �� 26 2004 shrike-i386-disk2.iso
IK> -rw-r--r-- 1 10000 backup 508903424 �� 26 2004 shrike-i386-disk3.iso
IK> � �� ~900�� 2 ��
IK> �� utf8

�� , iso �� , �� :-)

IK> P.P.S. � VMware RH9 �� . VirtualBox ��

�� , �� .

Eugene
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Andrey Ostanovsky

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Hello Eugene!

29 Oct 09 19:23, you wrote to Ivan Kuznetsov:

IK>> ��, ��
IK>> GRUB

EG> ��, ��
EG> legacy-�� .

�� -��? � �� - ��-�� 2003
��?

��
�� .

Andrey

Eugene Grosbein

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29 �� 2009, ��, � 16:45 KRAT, Andrey Ostanovsky ��(�):

IK>>> ��, ��
IK>>> GRUB
EG>> ��, ��
EG>> legacy-�� .

AO> �� -��? � �� - ��-��
AO> 2003
AO> ��?

�� (�� ),
� �� ... ��
�� .

Eugene
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�� . (H�� )

Alex Korchmar

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

IK>> ��, �� GRUB

EG> ��, ��
EG> legacy-�� .

��, ��, � [��]�� lilo �� grub'�
�� .

> Alex

Alex Korchmar

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

EG> $ cd /usr/src/linux
EG> -bash: cd: /usr/src/linux: No such file or directory
� �� src - �� redhat ?

> Alex

Eugene Grosbein

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29 �� 2009, ��, � 19:38 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

EG>> $ cd /usr/src/linux
EG>> -bash: cd: /usr/src/linux: No such file or directory

AK> � �� src - �� redhat ?

$ ls -l /usr/src
�� 12
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 �� 25 2003 debug
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 �� 15 2004 linux-2.4 ->
linux-2.4.20-8
drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 �� 18 2004 linux-2.4.20-8
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 �� 15 2004 redhat

�� linux-2.4.20-8 �� , �� .config, Makefile, Rules.make,
vmlinux � �� .

Eugene
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�� , ��
��-�� .

Anatoly Nickolaev

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Hi,Egor...

28 Oct 09 23:45, you wrote to Eugene Grosbein:
EG>> �� .
EG>> �� (� �� ) � �� Mera ��:
EG> �� Mera? �� -�� .
�� - �� -�� voip �� h.323

/Anatoly

Alex Korchmar

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

EG> �� linux-2.4.20-8 �� , �� .config, Makefile, Rules.make,
�� arch/i386/boot/bzImage � /boot/vmlinuz - �� , .config
�� . �� /boot ��, �� - �� ,
.config �� , �� diff � ��, ��
�� .

> Alex

Eugene Grosbein

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30 �� 2009, ��, � 00:21 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

EG>> �� linux-2.4.20-8 �� , �� .config, Makefile, Rules.make,

AK> �� arch/i386/boot/bzImage � /boot/vmlinuz - �� , .config
AK> �� . �� /boot ��, �� - �� ,
AK> .config �� , �� diff � ��, ��
AK> �� .

/usr/src/linux-2.4.20-8/arch/i386/boot/bzImage
�� /boot/kernel-2.4.20-8-mvts,
�� default � /etc/lilo.conf

[root@mvts boot]# ls -l vmlinuz* kernel-*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 882824 �� 18 2004 kernel-2.4.20-8-mvts
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1080625 �� 18 2004 kernel-test
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 �� 17 2004 vmlinuz ->
vmlinuz-2.4.20-8custom
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1122186 �� 14 2003 vmlinuz-2.4.20-8
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 835725 �� 17 2004 vmlinuz-2.4.20-8custom

[root@mvts boot]# ls -l /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-8/arch/i386/boot
�� 1068
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 512 �� 18 2004 bbootsect
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2436 �� 18 2004 bbootsect.o
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8714 �� 18 2004 bbootsect.s
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10623 H�� 10 2001 bootsect.S
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4847 �� 18 2004 bsetup
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13608 �� 18 2004 bsetup.o
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 49617 �� 18 2004 bsetup.s
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 882824 �� 18 2004 bzImage
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 �� 18 2004 compressed
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 974 �� 15 2001 install.sh
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2833 �� 6 2001 Makefile
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29207 �� 14 2003 setup.S
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 �� 18 2004 tools
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39057 �� 14 2003 video.S

/boot/config-2.4.20-8 �� 14 �� 2003-��
diff � /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-8/.config - 2618 �� 60k

Eugene
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Alex Korchmar

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

EG> /boot/config-2.4.20-8 �� 14 �� 2003-��
EG> diff � /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-8/.config - 2618 �� 60k
�� - �� , �� .

> Alex

Eugene Grosbein

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30 �� 2009, ��, � 09:48 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

EG>> /boot/config-2.4.20-8 �� 14 �� 2003-��
EG>> diff � /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-8/.config - 2618 �� 60k

AK> �� - �� , �� .

�� , �� ,
� �� - ��. H� �� ?

Eugene
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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

EG>>> /boot/config-2.4.20-8 �� 14 �� 2003-��
EG>>> diff � /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-8/.config - 2618 �� 60k
AK>> �� - �� , �� .

EG> �� , �� ,
EG> � �� - ��. H� �� ?
�� , �� - ��
�� (�� -
�� , ��
�� )

> Alex

Ivan A. Ufimtsev

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Oct 30, 2009, 4:26:09 AM10/30/09

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Hello Eugene!

Friday October 30 2009 09:33, you wrote to Alex Korchmar:

EG>>> ��p� linux-2.4.20-8 �� , �� .config, Makefile,
EG>>> Rules.make,
AK>> �p�� arch/i386/boot/bzImage � /boot/vmlinuz - ��p�� ,
AK>> .config �� . �� /boot ��, ��p�� p��
AK>> - �� , .config �� p�� p�, �� p�� diff �
AK>> ��, �� p�� .
EG> /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-8/arch/i386/boot/bzImage
EG> �� /boot/kernel-2.4.20-8-mvts,
EG> ��p�� default � /etc/lilo.conf

�� p�� , � � �� p��.
�� p�. �� p�� . �� ӣ �� p��p�� (��
�� -- �� p� �p��, � ��
�� -- ��p�� )

[...]
EG> /boot/config-2.4.20-8 �� p�� 14 ��p�� 2003-��
EG> diff � /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-8/.config - 2618 ��p�� 60k

H� �� p��. �� p��.

EG> Eugene
� ��, Ivan.
[Team � �� !] [Team rave2grave] [Team �� ]

Alexandre Tabounkine

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Oct 30, 2009, 11:37:16 AM10/30/09

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��, Alex!

30 �� 09 11:46, Alex Korchmar -> Eugene Grosbein:

EG>> � �� - ��. H� �� ?

AK> �� , �� -
AK> �� (��
AK> �� - �� , ��
AK> �� )
�� , �
�� - �� .

� �� , Alexandre.

Andrey Melnikoff

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:
EG> 28 О©╫О©╫О©╫ 2009, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫ 23:45 KRAT, Egor Glukhov О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫(О©╫):

EG>>> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.
EG>>> О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ (О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫) О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ Mera О©╫О©╫:
EG>> О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ Mera? О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫-О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.

EG> MVTS
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ "О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫" О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫

Eugene B. Berdnikov

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:
EG> � grub.conf:
EG>
EG> default=0
EG> timeout=10
EG> splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
EG> title Red Hat Linux (2.4.20-8)
EG> root (hd0,0)
EG> kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.20-8 ro root=LABEL=/
EG> initrd /initrd-2.4.20-8.img
EG>
EG> � lilo.conf:
EG>
EG> prompt
EG> timeout=50
EG> default=linux-mvts
EG> boot=/dev/hda
EG> map=/boot/map
EG> install=/boot/boot.b
EG> message=/boot/message
EG> lba32
EG>
EG> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-8
EG> label=linux
EG> initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.20-8.img
EG> read-only
EG> root=/dev/hda2
EG>
EG> image=/boot/kernel-2.4.20-8-mvts
EG> label=linux-mvts
EG> read-only
EG> root=/dev/hda2
EG>
EG> �� , �� LILO,
EG> � �� ? �� 300 ��
EG> �� .

��: cat /proc/cmdline
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Alex Korchmar

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Alexandre Tabounkine <Alexandre....@p364.f8080.n5020.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

AK>> �� , �� -
AK>> �� (��
AK>> �� - �� , ��
AK>> �� )

AT> ��
��, � �� -�� , ��
�� , ��
�� .
� ��
�� .

AT> , � �� - �� .
� �� uname, ��, �� , ��
�� -�� , �� ,
�� .config �� -�� .

> Alex

Eugene Grosbein

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Oct 31, 2009, 12:09:42 PM10/31/09

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30 �� 2009, ��, � 20:20 KRAT, Eugene B. Berdnikov ��(�):

EG>> �� , �� LILO,
EG>> � �� ? �� 300 ��
EG>> �� .

EBB> ��: cat /proc/cmdline

auto BOOT_IMAGE=linux-mvts ro root=302 BOOT_FILE=/boot/kernel-2.4.20-8-mvts

�� MRB �� LILO, �� dd � hexdump,
� �� ? :-)

Eugene
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� �� . �� , �� ,
� �� .

Eugene Grosbein

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29 �� 2009, ��, � 19:38 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

IK>>> ��, �� GRUB
EG>> ��, ��
EG>> legacy-�� .

AK> ��, ��, � [��]�� lilo �� grub'�
AK> �� .

H�� VirtualBox,
�� 40Gb (�� Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 40G).

�� Disk Druid.
� �� (��, �� )
�� ݣ �� hda5 (/var) � hda6 (/usr/local)
�� - Disk Druid � �� ?

Eugene
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Eugene Grosbein

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02 �� 2009, ��, � 16:01 KRAT, Eugene Grosbein ��(�):

EG> �� Disk Druid.
EG> � �� (��, �� )
EG> �� ݣ �� hda5 (/var) � hda6 (/usr/local)
EG> �� - Disk Druid � �� ?

�� - �� , ��
�� (�� ),
�� "force primary", � ��
�� .

Eugene
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Alex Korchmar

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

EG> � �� (��, �� )
EG> �� ݣ �� hda5 (/var) � hda6 (/usr/local)
EG> �� - Disk Druid � �� ?

� �� , �� - �� /boot �� primary, ��
�� .

> Alex

Eugene Grosbein

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Nov 3, 2009, 4:38:39 AM11/3/09

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28 �� 2009, ��, � 15:40 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

EG>> �� ӣ ��, �� . ��
EG>> ��
AK> tar -cpPvf ��-�� /
AK> �� - � ��
AK> �� , � �� , � ��
AK> � 2004-� �� .

�� , dump/restore �� ext3?

Eugene
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� �� ,
�� 30 �� .

Eugene B. Berdnikov

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:
EG> 30 �� 2009, ��, � 20:20 KRAT, Eugene B. Berdnikov ��(�):

EG>
EG>>> �� , �� LILO,
EG>>> � �� ? �� 300 ��
EG>>> �� .
EBB>> ��: cat /proc/cmdline

EG>
EG> auto BOOT_IMAGE=linux-mvts ro root=302 BOOT_FILE=/boot/kernel-2.4.20-8-mvts
EG>
EG> �� MRB �� LILO, �� dd � hexdump,
EG> � �� ? :-)

�� BOOT_IMAGE � BOOT_FILE �� lilo ��
(�� -- �� ), grub �� Σ� �� .

H� �� lilo � grub'a, �� ,
�� , �� H��. :-)
�� .

� ��ޣ� dd � hexdump -- ��, �� mbr?

# dd if=/dev/hda bs=1b count=1 | hd
1+0 ��
1+0 ��
�� 512 �� (512 B), 0,000151702 c, 3,4 MB/c
00000000 eb 48 90 01 b4 01 4c 49 4c 4f 16 08 17 04 e8 4a |.H....LILO.....J|
00000010 00 00 00 00 c6 ff 1e 44 6b 5e ec 28 a1 00 80 60 |.......Dk^.(...`|
00000020 e0 f8 31 00 b8 c0 07 8e d0 bc 00 08 fb 52 53 06 |..1..........RS.|
00000030 56 fc 8e d8 31 ed 60 b8 00 12 b3 36 cd 10 03 02 |V...1.`....6....|
00000040 ff 00 00 20 01 00 00 00 00 02 fa 90 90 f6 c2 80 |... ............|
00000050 75 02 b2 80 ea 59 7c 00 00 31 c0 8e d8 8e d0 bc |u....Y|..1......|
00000060 00 20 fb a0 40 7c 3c ff 74 02 88 c2 52 be 7f 7d |. ..@|<.t...R..}|
00000070 e8 34 01 f6 c2 80 74 54 b4 41 bb aa 55 cd 13 5a |.4....tT.A..U..Z|
00000080 52 72 49 81 fb 55 aa 75 43 a0 41 7c 84 c0 75 05 |RrI..U.uC.A|..u.|
00000090 83 e1 01 74 37 66 8b 4c 10 be 05 7c c6 44 ff 01 |...t7f.L...|.D..|
000000a0 66 8b 1e 44 7c c7 04 10 00 c7 44 02 01 00 66 89 |f..D|.....D...f.|
000000b0 5c 08 c7 44 06 00 70 66 31 c0 89 44 04 66 89 44 |\..D..pf1..D.f.D|
000000c0 0c b4 42 cd 13 72 05 bb 00 70 eb 7d b4 08 cd 13 |..B..r...p.}....|
000000d0 73 0a f6 c2 80 0f 84 ea 00 e9 8d 00 be 05 7c c6 |s.............|.|
000000e0 44 ff 00 66 31 c0 88 f0 40 66 89 44 04 31 d2 88 |D..f1...@f.D.1..|
000000f0 ca c1 e2 02 88 e8 88 f4 40 89 44 08 31 c0 88 d0 |........@.D.1...|
00000100 c0 e8 02 66 89 04 66 a1 44 7c 66 31 d2 66 f7 34 |...f..f.D|f1.f.4|
00000110 88 54 0a 66 31 d2 66 f7 74 04 88 54 0b 89 44 0c |.T.f1.f.t..T..D.|
00000120 3b 44 08 7d 3c 8a 54 0d c0 e2 06 8a 4c 0a fe c1 |;D.}<.T.....L...|
00000130 08 d1 8a 6c 0c 5a 8a 74 0b bb 00 70 8e c3 31 db |...l.Z.t...p..1.|
00000140 b8 01 02 cd 13 72 2a 8c c3 8e 06 48 7c 60 1e b9 |.....r*....H|`..|
00000150 00 01 8e db 31 f6 31 ff fc f3 a5 1f 61 ff 26 42 |....1.1.....a.&B|
00000160 7c be 85 7d e8 40 00 eb 0e be 8a 7d e8 38 00 eb ||..}.@.....}.8..|
00000170 06 be 94 7d e8 30 00 be 99 7d e8 2a 00 eb fe 47 |...}.0...}.*...G|
00000180 52 55 42 20 00 47 65 6f 6d 00 48 61 72 64 20 44 |RUB .Geom.Hard D|
00000190 69 73 6b 00 52 65 61 64 00 20 45 72 72 6f 72 00 |isk.Read. Error.|
000001a0 bb 01 00 b4 0e cd 10 ac 3c 00 75 f4 c3 00 00 00 |........<.u.....|
000001b0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 6b 5e ec 28 cf c9 80 01 |........k^.(....|
000001c0 01 00 83 fe 3f 10 3f 00 00 00 92 2a 04 00 00 00 |....?.?....*....|
000001d0 01 11 82 fe 3f 72 d1 2a 04 00 e2 05 18 00 00 00 |....?r.*........|
000001e0 01 73 05 fe ff ff b3 30 1c 00 d2 e2 48 02 00 00 |.s.....0....H...|
000001f0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 55 aa |..............U.|
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AK>> tar -cpPvf ��-�� /
AK>> �� - � ��
AK>> �� , � �� , � ��
AK>> � 2004-� �� .

EG> �� , dump/restore �� ext3?
�� - � �� ,
�� tar.

> Alex

Kozyrev Slava

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Eugene Grosbein ��:

> �� , dump/restore �� ext3?
�� , � ��
slax �� , �� , �� restore � slax �
�� .

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��!
��

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03 �� 2009, ��, � 10:20 KRAT, Eugene B. Berdnikov ��(�):

EG>> auto BOOT_IMAGE=linux-mvts ro root=302
EG>> BOOT_FILE=/boot/kernel-2.4.20-8-mvts

EG>> �� MRB �� LILO, �� dd � hexdump,
EG>> � �� ? :-)

EBB> �� BOOT_IMAGE � BOOT_FILE �� lilo ��
EBB> (�� -- �� ), grub �� Σ� �� .

�� , ��.

EBB> � ��ޣ� dd � hexdump -- ��, �� mbr?
EBB> # dd if=/dev/hda bs=1b count=1 | hd
EBB> 1+0 ��
EBB> 1+0 ��
EBB> �� 512 �� (512 B), 0,000151702 c, 3,4 MB/c
EBB> 00000000 eb 48 90 01 b4 01 4c 49 4c 4f 16 08 17 04 e8 4a
EBB> |.H....LILO.....J|
EBB> 00000010 00 00 00 00 c6 ff 1e 44 6b 5e ec 28 a1 00 80 60
EBB> |.......Dk^.(...`|
EBB> 00000020 e0 f8 31 00 b8 c0 07 8e d0 bc 00 08 fb 52 53 06
EBB> |..1..........RS.|
EBB> 00000030 56 fc 8e d8 31 ed 60 b8 00 12 b3 36 cd 10 03 02
EBB> |V...1.`....6....|
EBB> 00000040 ff 00 00 20 01 00 00 00 00 02 fa 90 90 f6 c2 80 |...
EBB> ............|
EBB> 00000050 75 02 b2 80 ea 59 7c 00 00 31 c0 8e d8 8e d0 bc
EBB> |u....Y|..1......|
EBB> 00000060 00 20 fb a0 40 7c 3c ff 74 02 88 c2 52 be 7f 7d |.
EBB> ..@|<.t...R..}|
EBB> 00000070 e8 34 01 f6 c2 80 74 54 b4 41 bb aa 55 cd 13 5a
EBB> |.4....tT.A..U..Z|
EBB> 00000080 52 72 49 81 fb 55 aa 75 43 a0 41 7c 84 c0 75 05
EBB> |RrI..U.uC.A|..u.|
EBB> 00000090 83 e1 01 74 37 66 8b 4c 10 be 05 7c c6 44 ff 01
EBB> |...t7f.L...|.D..|
EBB> 000000a0 66 8b 1e 44 7c c7 04 10 00 c7 44 02 01 00 66 89
EBB> |f..D|.....D...f.|
EBB> 000000b0 5c 08 c7 44 06 00 70 66 31 c0 89 44 04 66 89 44
EBB> |\..D..pf1..D.f.D|
EBB> 000000c0 0c b4 42 cd 13 72 05 bb 00 70 eb 7d b4 08 cd 13
EBB> |..B..r...p.}....|
EBB> 000000d0 73 0a f6 c2 80 0f 84 ea 00 e9 8d 00 be 05 7c c6
EBB> |s.............|.|
EBB> 000000e0 44 ff 00 66 31 c0 88 f0 40 66 89 44 04 31 d2 88
EBB> |D..f1...@f.D.1..|
EBB> 000000f0 ca c1 e2 02 88 e8 88 f4 40 89 44 08 31 c0 88 d0
EBB> |........@.D.1...|
EBB> 00000100 c0 e8 02 66 89 04 66 a1 44 7c 66 31 d2 66 f7 34
EBB> |...f..f.D|f1.f.4|
EBB> 00000110 88 54 0a 66 31 d2 66 f7 74 04 88 54 0b 89 44 0c
EBB> |.T.f1.f.t..T..D.|
EBB> 00000120 3b 44 08 7d 3c 8a 54 0d c0 e2 06 8a 4c 0a fe c1
EBB> |;D.}<.T.....L...|
EBB> 00000130 08 d1 8a 6c 0c 5a 8a 74 0b bb 00 70 8e c3 31 db
EBB> |...l.Z.t...p..1.|
EBB> 00000140 b8 01 02 cd 13 72 2a 8c c3 8e 06 48 7c 60 1e b9
EBB> |.....r*....H|`..|
EBB> 00000150 00 01 8e db 31 f6 31 ff fc f3 a5 1f 61 ff 26 42
EBB> |....1.1.....a.&B|
EBB> 00000160 7c be 85 7d e8 40 00 eb 0e be 8a 7d e8 38 00 eb
EBB> ||..}.@.....}.8..|
EBB> 00000170 06 be 94 7d e8 30 00 be 99 7d e8 2a 00 eb fe 47
EBB> |...}.0...}.*...G|
EBB> 00000180 52 55 42 20 00 47 65 6f 6d 00 48 61 72 64 20 44 |RUB
EBB> .Geom.Hard D|
EBB> 00000190 69 73 6b 00 52 65 61 64 00 20 45 72 72 6f 72 00 |isk.Read.
EBB> Error.|
EBB> 000001a0 bb 01 00 b4 0e cd 10 ac 3c 00 75 f4 c3 00 00 00
EBB> |........<.u.....|
EBB> 000001b0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 6b 5e ec 28 cf c9 80 01
EBB> |........k^.(....|
EBB> 000001c0 01 00 83 fe 3f 10 3f 00 00 00 92 2a 04 00 00 00
EBB> |....?.?....*....|
EBB> 000001d0 01 11 82 fe 3f 72 d1 2a 04 00 e2 05 18 00 00 00
EBB> |....?r.*........|
EBB> 000001e0 01 73 05 fe ff ff b3 30 1c 00 d2 e2 48 02 00 00
EBB> |.s.....0....H...|
EBB> 000001f0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 55 aa
EBB> |..............U.|
EBB> 00000200

��? :-)

Eugene
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03 �� 2009, ��, � 10:29 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

AK>>> tar -cpPvf ��-�� /
AK>>> �� - � ��
AK>>> �� , � �� , �

AK>>> ��

AK>>> � 2004-� �� .
EG>> �� , dump/restore �� ext3?

AK> �� - � �� ,
AK> �� tar.

�� ?
� �� -�� over rsh �� :-)

Eugene
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�� - �� , ��, �� - �� ...

Eugene Grosbein

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03 �� 2009, ��, � 17:00 KRAT, Kozyrev Slava ��(�):

>> �� , dump/restore �� ext3?
KS> �� , � ��
KS> ��
KS> slax �� , �� , �� restore �
KS> slax �
KS> �� .

�� . �� RH9 � ��
�� RH9 - �� VirtualBox,
�� . �� - ��
�� CD � �� rescue, �Σ� �� /boot,
� �� (cd boot,
restore -rf user@backuphost:/path/to/boot.dump, chroot, /sbin/lilo, exit,
reboot) - �ӣ �� .

Eugene
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� �� - �� ,
�� . (�� )

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03 �� 2009, ��, � 10:29 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

EG>> �� , dump/restore �� ext3?

AK> �� - � �� ,
AK> �� tar.

��, md5sum �� /boot �� dump/restore ��
��, �� /boot/map � restoresymtable, �� .

Eugene
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��, �� - �� ,

�� - �� , ��
�� . (H�� )

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

EG>>> �� , dump/restore �� ext3?
AK>> �� - � �� ,
AK>> �� tar.

EG> �� ?
��, �� .
EG> � �� -�� over rsh �� :-)
�� - �� .

> Alex

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03 �� 2009, ��, � 12:34 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

EG>>>> �� , dump/restore �� ext3?
AK>>> �� - � ��

AK>>> ��,
AK>>> �� tar.
EG>> �� ?
AK> ��, �� .

EG>> � �� -�� over rsh �� :-)

AK> �� - �� .

� �� /��/��-��-�ݣ ��/��?

Eugene
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��

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

AK>> �� - �� .
EG> � �� /��/��-��-�ݣ ��/��?
��, info tar �� - �� ;-)
� �� - � ��, ��, ��, �� ea � selinux labels �� .

�� ,
� �� -�� - �� H��HH� ��
�� . �� "��
lvm snapshots, � �� ", � ��
�� .

P.S. �� , �� - �� reiser � xfs �� ;-)

> Alex

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Hello Eugene!

Tuesday November 03 2009 15:30, Eugene Grosbein wrote to Eugene B. Berdnikov:

EG>>> auto BOOT_IMAGE=linux-mvts ro root=302
EG>>> BOOT_FILE=/boot/kernel-2.4.20-8-mvts
EG>>> �� MRB �� LILO, �� dd � hexdump,
EG>>> � �� ? :-)
EBB>> �� BOOT_IMAGE � BOOT_FILE �� lilo ��
EBB>> (�� -- �� ), grub �� Σ� �� .

EG> �� , ��.

EBB>> � ��ޣ� dd � hexdump -- ��, ��

EBB>> mbr? # dd if=/dev/hda bs=1b count=1 | hd 1+0 �� 1+0

EBB>> �� 512 �� (512 B), 0,000151702 c, 3,4

EBB>> MB/c 00000000 eb 48 90 01 b4 01 4c 49 4c 4f 16 08 17 04 e8 4a
EBB>> |.H....LILO.....J| 00000010 00 00 00 00 c6 ff 1e 44 6b 5e ec 28
EBB>> a1 00 80 60 |.......Dk^.(...`| 00000020 e0 f8 31 00 b8 c0 07 8e
EBB>> d0 bc 00 08 fb 52 53 06 |..1..........RS.| 00000030 56 fc 8e d8
EBB>> 31 ed 60 b8 00 12 b3 36 cd 10 03 02 |V...1.`....6....| 00000040
EBB>> ff 00 00 20 01 00 00 00 00 02 fa 90 90 f6 c2 80
EBB>> |... ............| 00000050 75 02 b2 80 ea 59 7c 00 00 31 c0 8e
EBB>> d8 8e d0 bc |u....Y|..1......| 00000060 00 20 fb a0 40 7c 3c ff
EBB>> 74 02 88 c2 52 be 7f 7d |. ..@|<.t...R..}| 00000070 e8 34 01 f6
EBB>> c2 80 74 54 b4 41 bb aa 55 cd 13 5a |.4....tT.A..U..Z| 00000080
EBB>> 52 72 49 81 fb 55 aa 75 43 a0 41 7c 84 c0 75 05
EBB>> |RrI..U.uC.A|..u.| 00000090 83 e1 01 74 37 66 8b 4c 10 be 05 7c
EBB>> c6 44 ff 01 |...t7f.L...|.D..| 000000a0 66 8b 1e 44 7c c7 04 10
EBB>> 00 c7 44 02 01 00 66 89 |f..D|.....D...f.| 000000b0 5c 08 c7 44
EBB>> 06 00 70 66 31 c0 89 44 04 66 89 44 |\..D..pf1..D.f.D| 000000c0
EBB>> 0c b4 42 cd 13 72 05 bb 00 70 eb 7d b4 08 cd 13
EBB>> |..B..r...p.}....| 000000d0 73 0a f6 c2 80 0f 84 ea 00 e9 8d 00
EBB>> be 05 7c c6 |s.............|.| 000000e0 44 ff 00 66 31 c0 88 f0
EBB>> 40 66 89 44 04 31 d2 88 |D..f1...@f.D.1..| 000000f0 ca c1 e2 02
EBB>> 88 e8 88 f4 40 89 44 08 31 c0 88 d0 |........@.D.1...| 00000100
EBB>> c0 e8 02 66 89 04 66 a1 44 7c 66 31 d2 66 f7 34
EBB>> |...f..f.D|f1.f.4| 00000110 88 54 0a 66 31 d2 66 f7 74 04 88 54
EBB>> 0b 89 44 0c |.T.f1.f.t..T..D.| 00000120 3b 44 08 7d 3c 8a 54 0d
EBB>> c0 e2 06 8a 4c 0a fe c1 |;D.}<.T.....L...| 00000130 08 d1 8a 6c
EBB>> 0c 5a 8a 74 0b bb 00 70 8e c3 31 db |...l.Z.t...p..1.| 00000140
EBB>> b8 01 02 cd 13 72 2a 8c c3 8e 06 48 7c 60 1e b9
EBB>> |.....r*....H|`..| 00000150 00 01 8e db 31 f6 31 ff fc f3 a5 1f
EBB>> 61 ff 26 42 |....1.1.....a.&B| 00000160 7c be 85 7d e8 40 00 eb
EBB>> 0e be 8a 7d e8 38 00 eb ||..}.@.....}.8..| 00000170 06 be 94 7d
EBB>> e8 30 00 be 99 7d e8 2a 00 eb fe 47 |...}.0...}.*...G| 00000180
EBB>> 52 55 42 20 00 47 65 6f 6d 00 48 61 72 64 20 44 |RUB .Geom.Hard
EBB>> D| 00000190 69 73 6b 00 52 65 61 64 00 20 45 72 72 6f 72 00
EBB>> |isk.Read. Error.| 000001a0 bb 01 00 b4 0e cd 10 ac 3c 00 75 f4
EBB>> c3 00 00 00 |........<.u.....| 000001b0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
EBB>> 6b 5e ec 28 cf c9 80 01 |........k^.(....| 000001c0 01 00 83 fe
EBB>> 3f 10 3f 00 00 00 92 2a 04 00 00 00 |....?.?....*....| 000001d0
EBB>> 01 11 82 fe 3f 72 d1 2a 04 00 e2 05 18 00 00 00
EBB>> |....?r.*........| 000001e0 01 73 05 fe ff ff b3 30 1c 00 d2 e2
EBB>> 48 02 00 00 |.s.....0....H...| 000001f0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
EBB>> 00 00 00 00 00 00 55 aa |..............U.| 00000200

EG> ��? :-)
H� ��
- � ��
- �� , � ��, �� .

�� , �� , �, ��-�� :)

Good bye!
Andrew

Eugene B. Berdnikov

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Alex Korchmar <nor...@linux.e-moe.ru> wrote:
AK> �� ,
AK> � �� -�� - �� H��HH� ��
AK> �� . �� "��
AK> lvm snapshots, � �� ", � ��
AK> �� .

�� , � �� -�� .

AK> P.S. �� , �� - �� reiser � xfs �� ;-)

��, :) � xfsdump � xfsrestore �� ?

�ݣ �� xfs_copy � xfs_rtcp, �� ext3 �� .
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Eugene B. Berdnikov <be...@desert.ihep.su> wrote:

AK>> �� . �� "��
AK>> lvm snapshots, � �� ", � ��
AK>> �� .

EBB> �� , � �� -�� .
��, � �� - ��. ��.
�� , �� .

AK>> P.S. �� , �� - �� reiser � xfs �� ;-)

EBB> ��, :) � xfsdump � xfsrestore �� ?
�, ��, �� sgi � ��
��. �� .
��, �� xfsdump �� . ��,
�� dump - �� /dev/disk. �� sgi ��
�� .

> Alex

EBB> �ݣ �� xfs_copy � xfs_rtcp, �� ext3 �� .
EBB> --
EBB> Eugene Berdnikov

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Alex Korchmar <nor...@linux.e-moe.ru> wrote:

AK> Eugene B. Berdnikov <be...@desert.ihep.su> wrote:
AK>
AK>>> �� . �� "��
AK>>> lvm snapshots, � �� ", � ��
AK>>> �� .
EBB>> �� , � �� -�� .

AK> ��, � �� - ��. ��.
AK> �� , �� .

� �� , ��
�� fs �� ? :)
�� -�� , �� , �?
--
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28 �� 2009, ��, � 18:00 KRAT, Eugene Grosbein ��(�):

EG> Red Hat Linux release 9 (Shrike)
EG> ��, �� .
EG> �� , �� .

http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/

��, �� .

Eugene

Eugene Grosbein

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03 �� 2009, ��, � 12:34 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

EG>>>> �� , dump/restore �� ext3?
AK>>> �� - � ��
AK>>> ��,
AK>>> �� tar.
EG>> �� ?
AK> ��, �� .

EG>> � �� -�� over rsh �� :-)

AK> �� - �� .

�� md5sum �� , ��
�� VM �� . �� Σ�, �� ,
��-�� .

��-�� . ��, �� .

Eugene
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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

EG>> ��, �� .
EG>> �� , �� .

EG> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/
EG> ��, �� .
��... � �� ? �� "�� next
�� ". �� , ��
�� . � �� .

> Alex

Alex Korchmar

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

EG>>> � �� -�� over rsh �� :-)
AK>> �� - �� .

EG> �� md5sum �� , ��
�� - ��, �� - �� .
� �� ? �� .

> Alex

Valentin Davydov

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> From: Alex Korchmar <nor...@linux.e-moe.ru>
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:41:53 +0000 (UTC)

>
> EG>>> � �� -�� over rsh �� :-)
> AK>> �� - �� .
>EG> �� md5sum �� , ��
>�� - ��, �� - �� .
>� �� ? �� .

� ZFS � �� ?

��. ��.

Alex Korchmar

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Valentin Davydov <s...@m.davydov.spb.su> wrote:

>> AK>> �� - �� .
>>EG> �� md5sum �� , ��
>>�� - ��, �� - �� .
>>� �� ? �� .

VD> � ZFS � �� ?
�� , ��
�� .

H� �� . H��
�� fuse, �� zfs, �� . ��
�� -�� .

H�, ��, �� -��
�� , ��
��...

> Alex

Eugene Grosbein

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05 �� 2009, ��, � 14:40 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

EG>>> ��, �� .
EG>>> �� , �� .
EG>> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/
EG>> ��, �� .

AK> ��... � �� ? �� "�� next
AK>
AK> �� ".

�� KDE � � �� (�� ), � � ��
�� next �� ,
��, userdadd � ��. H� � �ݣ �� ӣ ��.

Eugene
--
�� , ��
��, �� , ��
�� , ��
� �� , �� ...

Alexandre Tabounkine

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��, Eugene!

05 �� 09 20:43, Eugene Grosbein -> Alex Korchmar:

EG> �� KDE � � �� (�� ), � � ��
EG> �� next �� ,
EG> ��, userdadd � ��. H� � �ݣ �� ӣ ��.
userdadd ��. � useradd aka adduser �� , �� ;)

� �� , Alexandre.

Eugene Grosbein

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05 �� 2009, ��, � 21:44 KRAT, Alexandre Tabounkine ��(�):

EG>> �� KDE � � �� (�� ), � � ��
EG>> �� next �� ,
EG>> ��, userdadd � ��. H� � �ݣ �� ӣ ��.

AT> userdadd ��. � useradd aka adduser �� , �� ;)

��. � �� useradd, adduser - �� ,
� �� ţ (� �� adduser.conf) ��
�� .

Eugene

Valentin Davydov

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> From: Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org>
> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:03:27 +0300

>
> EG>> �� KDE � � �� (�� ), � � ��
> EG>> �� next �� ,
> EG>> ��, userdadd � ��. H� � �ݣ �� ӣ ��.
> AT> userdadd ��. � useradd aka adduser �� , �� ;)
>
>��. � �� useradd,

man pw. �� : useradd.

��. ��.

Anatoly Nickolaev

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Hi,Eugene...

06 Nov 09 17:03, you wrote to Alexandre Tabounkine:

EG> ��, � �� ţ (� ��
EG> adduser.conf) �� .
�� .. ;-)
� �� ..adduser-��... ��..

/Anatoly

Eugene Grosbein

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06 �� 2009, ��, � 17:59 KRAT, Anatoly Nickolaev ��(�):

EG>> ��, � �� ţ (� ��
EG>> adduser.conf) �� .

AN> �� .. ;-)
AN> � �� ..adduser-��... ��..

� �� , � �� alias adduser='sudo /usr/sbin/adduser'
��. � �� , ��
Enter, Enter, Enter. �� .

Eugene
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� �� .

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06 �� 2009, ��, � 13:57 KRAT, Valentin Davydov ��(�):

EG>>> �� KDE � � �� (�� ), � � ��
EG>>> �� next �� ,
EG>>> ��, userdadd � ��. H� � �ݣ �� ӣ ��.
AT>> userdadd ��. � useradd aka adduser �� , �� ;)
>>��. � �� useradd,

VD> man pw. �� : useradd.

�� , �� useradd.

Eugene
--
�� , �� !..
��, �� !..
� �� ,
�� - �� ?..

Eugene B. Berdnikov

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:
EG> �� md5sum �� , ��
EG> �� VM �� . �� Σ�, �� ,
EG> ��-�� .
EG>
EG> ��-�� . ��, �� .

H� �� ? �� , �� .
�� API �� , �� ,
�� , �� ̣��
��, �� , �� inode � �.�.
�� dump/restore, ��
��, �� , �� ģ��.

��, �� .
--
Eugene Berdnikov

Anatoly Nickolaev

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Nov 6, 2009, 1:26:08 PM11/6/09

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Hi,Eugene...

06 Nov 09 21:34, you wrote to me:
AN>> � �� ..adduser-��... ��..
EG> � �� , � �� alias adduser='sudo /usr/sbin/adduser'
EG> ��. � �� , ��
EG> Enter, Enter, Enter. �� .
��-��
�� "��", �� ...
� �� 90-� �� ..

/Anatoly

Alex Korchmar

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Nov 6, 2009, 4:36:50 PM11/6/09

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Eugene B. Berdnikov <be...@desert.ihep.su> wrote:

EBB> H� �� ? �� , �� .
�� , ��. � �� ?
��, ��, �� .

EBB> ��, �� .
� �� .

��, ��
�� . �� , ��
��.
� ��, � ext2/3/4 �� , ��
�� fs �� .

� �� lvm - �� , ��, �� , �� lvm.

H� �� ,
�� . � �� "��, ��
�� !" ��
�� , � �� "��
� �� ". ��, �� "tar".

> Alex

Eugene Grosbein

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Nov 7, 2009, 4:34:29 AM11/7/09

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06 �� 2009, ��, � 22:40 KRAT, Eugene B. Berdnikov ��(�):

EG>> �� md5sum �� , ��
EG>> �� VM �� . �� Σ�, �� ,
EG>> ��-�� .

EG>> ��-�� . ��, �� .

EBB> H� �� ? �� , �� .

EBB> �� API �� , �� ,
EBB> �� , �� ̣��
EBB> ��, �� , �� inode � �.�.
EBB> �� dump/restore, ��
EBB> ��, �� , �� ģ��.

�� tar?

Eugene
--
�� pageout processgroup ��
� �� , ��
��
� �� (static void free_proc_chain)

Eugene Grosbein

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Nov 7, 2009, 4:38:09 AM11/7/09

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06 �� 2009, ��, � 21:26 KRAT, Anatoly Nickolaev ��(�):

AN>>> � �� ..adduser-��... ��..
EG>> � �� , � �� alias adduser='sudo /usr/sbin/adduser'
EG>> ��. � �� , ��
EG>> Enter, Enter, Enter. �� .

AN> ��-��
AN> ��

� � ��
��
(�� ).

AN> � �� "��", �� ...
AN> � �� 90-� �� ..

��
� �� Putty.

Eugene
--
� � �� . (��)

Artem Chuprina

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Nov 7, 2009, 2:45:16 AM11/7/09

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Alex Korchmar -> Eugene B. Berdnikov @ Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:36:50 +0000 (UTC):

AK> О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫". О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ "tar".

О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫ tar, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ rsync О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.

--
О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫: О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.

Eugene Grosbein

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Nov 7, 2009, 10:03:06 AM11/7/09

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07 �� 2009, ��, � 10:45 KRAT, Artem Chuprina ��(�):

AK>> � �� ". ��, �� "tar".
AC> �� , �� . �� , �� tar, ��, ��
AC> ��. �� rsync �� , � ��
AC> �� .

��, �� . ��.

Eugene
--
H�� - �� ! -
�� .
�� ,
�� !..

Alex Korchmar

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Nov 7, 2009, 6:22:33 AM11/7/09

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Artem Chuprina <ran+...@ran.pp.ru> wrote:

AK>> � �� ". ��, �� "tar".
AC> �� , �� . �� , �� tar, ��, ��

�� - ��-��
� �� Changelog �� , ��
�� .

AC> ��. �� rsync �� , � ��
AC> �� .
� �� , ��
�� . � �� ,
�� .

��, ��
��, �� , ��, � rsync.

> Alex

Ilya Anfimov

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Nov 7, 2009, 8:47:39 AM11/7/09

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> Eugene B. Berdnikov <be...@desert.ihep.su> wrote:
>

> EBB> HО©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫? О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.
> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫?
> О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.

О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ -- О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.

Anatoly Nickolaev

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Nov 7, 2009, 10:21:32 AM11/7/09

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Hi,Eugene...

07 Nov 09 12:38, you wrote to me:
AN>> ��-��
AN>> ��
EG> � � ��
EG> ��
�� .. ��.. �� .. �� procmail
�� ;-) �� ..
EG> (�� ).
� �� ? ;-)
AN>> � �� "��", �� ...
EG> ��
EG> � �� Putty.
� �� ? � �� ?
� �� , �� , �� ,
�� ...
�� sql-� (�� ldap ��) ��
��, �� ..
��-�� ssh/telnet ��
��, �� -�� -��
php-��, �� sql-��..

PS: smtp ��
�� ?
PPS: �� sendmail'� ��?

/Anatoly

Ilya Anfimov

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Nov 7, 2009, 10:03:21 AM11/7/09

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> Hi,Eugene...
>
> 07 Nov 09 12:38, you wrote to me:

[skipped]

> О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫,
> О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫...
[skipped]
> php-О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ sql-О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫..

Alex Korchmar

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Nov 8, 2009, 4:42:27 AM11/8/09

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Ilya Anfimov <il...@astelecom.ru> wrote:

>> EBB> H� �� ? �� , �� .
>> �� , ��. � �� ?
>> ��, ��, �� .

IA> �� -- �� .
� �� , � �� .

> Alex

Victor Wagner

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Nov 8, 2009, 6:41:19 AM11/8/09

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Eugene B. Berdnikov <be...@desert.ihep.su> wrote:
EBB> H� �� ? �� , ��

EBB> �� . �� API ��
EBB> �� , �� , ��
EBB> ��, �� ̣�� ,
EBB> �� , �� inode �
EBB> �.�. ��
EBB> dump/restore, �� , ��
EBB> ��, �� ģ��.

��, ��, � �� raw block device
��. � ��
�� , �� -��
�� .

--
-- �� (Lovelace) �� ?
-- � �� , �� ?

Eugene Grosbein

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Nov 8, 2009, 3:26:23 PM11/8/09

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07 �� 2009, ��, � 18:21 KRAT, Anatoly Nickolaev ��(�):

AN>>> ��-��
AN>>> ��
EG>> � � ��
EG>> ��

AN> �� .. ��.. �� ..

�� /bin/date (Enter �� adduser).
H� �, ��, �� IP-�� ,
�� ssh �� .

AN>>> � �� "��", �� ...
EG>> ��
EG>> � �� Putty.

AN> � �� ? � �� ?

� �ݣ �� :-) � �� .
�� (��, �� ),
�� , �ӣ �� .

AN> � �� , �� , ��
AN> ��,
AN> �� ...

H� ��, �� /bin/date
�� telnet � �� ssh.
�� , �� ӣ �� .

AN> �� sql-� (�� ldap ��) ��
AN> ��
AN> ��, �� ..

��-�� , �� restore ��? ��
� ��, �� -�� .

AN> ��-�� ssh/telnet ��
AN> ��, �� -�� -��
AN> ��
AN> php-��, �� sql-��..

�� -��, �� sql � php,
�� ssh-�� adduser. H� �� .

AN> PS: smtp ��
AN> ��
AN> �� ?

smtp-�� , �� VPN-�� , � ��
�� , �� .

AN> PPS: �� sendmail'� ��?

��, �� , �� ,
�� .

Eugene

Alexey Vissarionov

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Nov 9, 2009, 3:03:00 AM11/9/09

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�� , Eugene!

06 Nov 09 17:03, Eugene Grosbein -> Alexandre Tabounkine:

EG>>> �� KDE � � �� (�� ), � �
EG>>> �� next ��

EG>>> ��, ��, userdadd � ��.

AT>> userdadd ��. � useradd aka adduser �� , �� ;)

EG> ��. � �� useradd, adduser - ��

EG> ��, � �� ţ (� ��
EG> adduser.conf) �� .

�� - �� -��
�� ...

--
Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
gremlin �� gremlin �� ru; +vii-cmiii-ccxxix-lxxix-xlii

... �� , �� !

Ilya Kulagin

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Nov 9, 2009, 6:19:38 AM11/9/09

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Mon Nov 09 2009 11:03, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Eugene Grosbein:

EG>> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ её (О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
EG>> adduser.conf) О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.

AV> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫-О©╫О©╫
AV> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫...

О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ community. О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫? О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.

/kiv

Eugene Grosbein

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Nov 9, 2009, 10:34:30 AM11/9/09

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09 �� 2009, ��, � 14:19 KRAT, Ilya Kulagin ��(�):

AV>> �� - �� -��
AV>> �� ...
IK> �� community. � �� ?

�� (c)

IK> � �� , �� ,
IK> �� , �� .

�� , �� , ��
��.

Eugene
--
�� , ��-��, �� ,
�� .

Alex Korchmar

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Nov 9, 2009, 6:44:45 AM11/9/09

to

Ilya Kulagin <k...@kiv.pp.ru> wrote:

IK> �� community. � �� ? � ��
��, �� .
�� .

> Alex

Andrey Ostanovsky

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Nov 9, 2009, 6:33:12 AM11/9/09

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Hello Alexey!

09 Nov 09 11:03, you wrote to Eugene Grosbein:

AV> �� - ��
AV> ��-�� ...

�� , ��
cyrus-imap.

Andrey

Ilya Anfimov

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Nov 9, 2009, 7:00:18 AM11/9/09

to

> Mon Nov 09 2009 11:03, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Eugene Grosbein:
>
> EG>> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ её (О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
> EG>> adduser.conf) О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.
>
> AV> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫-О©╫О©╫
> AV> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫...
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> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ community. О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫? О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫

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09 Nov 09 14:33, Andrey Ostanovsky -> Alexey Vissarionov:

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AO> �� cyrus-imap.

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Alexey Vissarionov

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Nov 9, 2009, 7:06:48 AM11/9/09

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09 Nov 09 14:19, Ilya Kulagin -> Alexey Vissarionov:

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Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
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