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Yuan Yijun  
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From: "Yuan Yijun" <bbbush.y...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:51:08 +0800
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Subject: [灌水]你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?
为大家提供个讨论主题。

Fedora 中文用户组定位不清,是长久以来的问题。成立 Fedora
中文用户组,本来是结识好友,共同促进的举措。但是 Fedora
中文用户组没有采取任何行动,来寻找志同道合的人,也没有为
成员提供任何像样的帮助和服务。

请大家自报家门,然后说出对 Fedora 中文用户组的期望和建议,
为 Fedora 中文用户组的将来做个策划。谢谢大家。 :)

我建议先从说出自己是哪一类用户开始。可以选择的答案有:

A. 专业用户,直接参与 Fedora 中最重要最基础的软件(如 内核,GNOME
等)的开发工作;
B. 专业用户,利用 Fedora 提供的软件套件,从事网站架设、教育科研、
软件开发、企业信息管理等行业;
C. 爱好者,将 Fedora 作为日常应用(浏览网络,聊天,视听娱乐等);
D. 爱好者,以 Fedora 作为学习手段,计划将来走上 A 类或 B 类工作
岗位;
E. 其他,请稍加解释。


 
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 More options Oct 6 2008, 1:00 am
From: "吴鹏冲" <wupengch...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:00:20 +0800
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Subject: Re: [灌水]你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?

我属于B
职业:学生
使用fedora将近4年。

我的希望:希望fedora用户能多交流,并且有机会组织一些见面活动和户外活动。
毕竟大家认识了,才会有更好的沟通。
:)

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 More options Oct 6 2008, 1:10 am
From: "Yuan Yijun" <bbbush.y...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:10:36 +0800
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Subject: Re: [灌水]你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?
2008/10/6 吴鹏冲 <wupengch...@gmail.com>:

> 我属于B
> 职业:学生
> 使用fedora将近4年。

> 我的希望:希望fedora用户能多交流,并且有机会组织一些见面活动和户外活动。
> 毕竟大家认识了,才会有更好的沟通。
> :)

同城活动么,互相借借 Fedora 免费光盘,或者一起安装个系统,试验个软件用法、配置什么的,还是很有意思的事情。

别指望事前准备得多么好,也别指望事后可以得到很大收获。每个人都是平等的付出。这是深圳 LUG 的经验。当然事后的收获往往超过预期啦 ;D

linuxsir 和 ubuntu
中文论坛都有"同城"板块,大家登记联系方式等等,但是没有做更多的活动组织。我们可以尝试把组织线下活动的经验累积下来,让任何人都能照做?

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 More options Oct 6 2008, 2:48 am
From: "吴鹏冲" <wupengch...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:48:11 +0800
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Subject: Re: [灌水]你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?

说的有道理
:)
各种不同方式都可以尝试尝试,线上线下的。
看看哪一种效果更好。

2008/10/6 Yuan Yijun <bbbush.y...@gmail.com>

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 More options Oct 6 2008, 4:11 am
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:11:20 +0800
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Subject: Re: [灌水]你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?

类别:看来我属于B/2,C,D类了
职业:个人日常用,包括学习娱乐;工作和fedora不沾边,不过开发机是redhat企业版,即为B/2
时间:从学校接触fedora到现在,等fedora 10发布了,就满3年了。
状态:个人使用OK,不过却连打包都不熟练,目前贡献太少(主要是懂得不够多)。
另外:不够疯狂,很多情况下也会使用XP的。
个人期望:认识更多,学习更多,工作更好(掺杂点世俗味 *:)*)
对fedora中文用户组:个人觉得应该负担起fedora中文社区的责任,让其成为一个真正的社区。大家相互之间的认识确实太少。blug的活动超多,不过还 没加入,外国人居多,胆怯ing...-_-!

怎么样,我这个格式不错吧?要不按照这个格式来?
2008/10/6 吴鹏冲 <wupengch...@gmail.com>

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 More options Oct 6 2008, 4:18 am
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Subject: Re: [灌水]你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?
我自己:

C. 日常应用
D. 计划建立一个网站
E. 参与 Fedora 翻译和营销

我不是专业用户,不清楚各行业的需求。关于日常应用,希望有一个容易搜索的,可信的文档中心,提供执行一些任务的操作说明。现在做很多事都需要从
Google 搜索,搜索结果是许多不同的网站,要从中找到可行的操作步骤,很浪费时间。关于建立网站的计划,我认为论坛、邮件列表和 IRC
都是不错的求助的办法,没有更好的办法了,难道要建立服务热线?

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 More options Oct 6 2008, 4:29 am
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:29:40 +0800
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Subject: Re: [灌水]你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?
2008/10/6 刘红丹 <hongdan...@gmail.com>:

> 类别:看来我属于B/2,C,D类了
> 职业:个人日常用,包括学习娱乐;工作和fedora不沾边,不过开发机是redhat企业版,即为B/2
> 时间:从学校接触fedora到现在,等fedora 10发布了,就满3年了。
> 状态:个人使用OK,不过却连打包都不熟练,目前贡献太少(主要是懂得不够多)。
> 另外:不够疯狂,很多情况下也会使用XP的。
> 个人期望:认识更多,学习更多,工作更好(掺杂点世俗味 :))
> 对fedora中文用户组:个人觉得应该负担起fedora中文社区的责任,让其成为一个真正的社区。大家相互之间的认识确实太少。blug的活动超多,不过还 没加入,外国人居多,胆怯ing...-_-!

> 怎么样,我这个格式不错吧?要不按照这个格式来?

嗯,看来只要 fedora 的线下活动像 blug 那样,就可以有效提升 工作水准 了——这个可以去跟老板商量,赞助 fedora
吧,提升员工效果的最简单方法…… 可能确实如此?但是我怀疑这样的效率:一时间看不到线下活动与 Fedora
用户组的必然关联,与促进工作和学习的必然关联。

除了线下活动,还有别的期望/计划吗?

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 More options Oct 6 2008, 4:31 am
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:31:58 +1100
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Subject: Re: [灌水]你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?
我觉得各方面都应该有吧,像如何安装,系统配置,打造多媒体系统等等

PS:我的选项是 CD,以后或许会从事linux相关的职业

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 More options Oct 6 2008, 4:32 am
From: "刘红丹" <hongdan...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [灌水]你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?

论坛,wiki,邮件列表,irc就够了吧。

在fedoraproject加入的时候,其他的小组的成员,如Content Writer,Designer,People Person,OS
Developer,Translator,Web Developer or Administrator也在这吗?
另外就是感觉这里讨论的往往和在论坛的那些提问差不多,感觉没有突出这里的重点,只是帮助解决一些基本的用户使用问题??个人不希望仅仅是这样。

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大家联系不紧密,所以没有责任感?

2008/10/6 Yuan Yijun <bbbush.y...@gmail.com>

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 More options Oct 6 2008, 4:43 am
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:43:34 +0800
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Subject: Re: [灌水]你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?
2008/10/6 刘红丹 <hongdan...@gmail.com>:

> 论坛,wiki,邮件列表,irc就够了吧。

> 在fedoraproject加入的时候,其他的小组的成员,如Content Writer,Designer,People Person,OS
> Developer,Translator,Web Developer or Administrator也在这吗?
> 另外就是感觉这里讨论的往往和在论坛的那些提问差不多,感觉没有突出这里的重点,只是帮助解决一些基本的用户使用问题??个人不希望仅仅是这样。

定位不清晰的缘故,所以这次要仔细讨论一下。另外就是回复邮件的时候,把原文清理清理,只保留必要的引用。 :D

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:45:37 +0800
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Subject: Re: [灌水]你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?

我只是日常应用,我从今年 5 月份才开始使用 Fedora 9,第一次装就全盘安装 Fedora 9 在我的笔记本上了。现在一般都是白天工作用 Win
XP, 晚上下班回去再 Fedora 下娱乐,周末在 Fedora 下上上网,感觉现在的 Fedora 已经足够易用了。用着很上手。

越来越喜欢 Fedora ,还加入 Ambassador ,但是我根本不知道我应该做些什么

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 More options Oct 6 2008, 4:59 am
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:59:23 +0800
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2008/10/6 Charles Peng <linux.u...@gmail.com>:

> 越来越喜欢 Fedora ,还加入 Ambassador ,但是我根本不知道我应该做些什么

那就思考。

1. 我的分类还不够细,你看怎么可以改进一下?我是很想找到 Fedora 的差异性(这是一本营销管理书上讲的,品牌要有差异性)。对于 A
类专业用户,Fedora 对他们是共生、互利的关系;对于 B 类用户,Fedora 提供了最丰富的资源,过去大家推崇
Debian,正是因为资源最丰富。然而分类还不够细,因为我不是专业用户。

2. 怎么做真正的营销,把 Fedora 推给需要的人群。所谓 中文用户组,特点大概是没有特点?专业用户很少,爱好也只是泛泛。

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Subject: Re: [灌水]你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?

现在 Fedora 的 wiki 页面中文的内容太少了,咱们 中文用户组 是不是慢慢完善一下呢?

2008/10/6 Charles Peng <linux.u...@gmail.com>


 
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是啊,我现在每次还需要看帮助才知道怎么写 wiki 呢。你说的是 wiki 上的分类吗?的确很难啊,我们不是专业的 Fedora 用户,了解的太少,写
wiki 也不知道从何写起。。。


 
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Yuan Yijun 于 10/06/2008 04:43 PM http://embed.mibbit.com/?channel=zhusupe 写道:

> 2008/10/6 刘红丹 <hongdan...@gmail.com>:
>> 论坛,wiki,邮件列表,irc就够了吧。

>> 在fedoraproject加入的时候,其他的小组的成员,如Content Writer,Designer,People Person,OS
>> Developer,Translator,Web Developer or Administrator也在这吗?
>> 另外就是感觉这里讨论的往往和在论坛的那些提问差不多,感觉没有突出这里的重点,只是帮助解决一些基本的用户使用问题??个人不希望仅仅是这样。

> 定位不清晰的缘故,所以这次要仔细讨论一下。另外就是回复邮件的时候,把原文清理清理,只保留必要的引用。 :D

很大一部分gmail用户使用html格式。

 
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:35:17 +0800
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我属于a类用户!!

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本人是C类,爱好者,但是希望能向B类发展,纯粹爱好,无工作岗位方面的考虑

2008/10/6 zhusupe <zhudogs...@gmail.com>


 
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本人是C类,爱好者,但是希望能向B类发展,纯粹爱好,无工作岗位方面的考虑

2008/10/6 雷 <flf2...@gmail.com>


 
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2008/10/6 Xel. Naga <ph.lin...@gmail.com>

> 本人是C类,爱好者,但是希望能向B类发展,纯粹爱好,无工作岗位方面的考虑

那和 Fedora 中文用户组的关系呢?期望成为专业用户,但是没有采取什么计划是吗?

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你算是没救了。

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Xel. Naga  
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 More options Oct 6 2008, 9:37 am
From: Xel.Naga <ph.lin...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:37:29 +0800
Local: Mon, Oct 6 2008 9:37 am
Subject: Re: [灌水]你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?

是啊,呵呵

说起来,fedoraproject的门槛还是有点高,距离初学者太远了,另外一个也是因为语言的因素

如果能够有一套适合国内现状的循序渐进的体系,倒是会方便很多,这样就能很好的和Fedoraproject衔接起来了

2008/10/6 zhusupe <zhudogs...@gmail.com>


 
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 More options Oct 6 2008, 9:52 am
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:52:46 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: 你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?
> C. 爱好者,将 Fedora 作为日常应用(浏览网络,聊天,视听娱乐等);

替代windows,然后偶尔会写写php。

 
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 More options Oct 6 2008, 11:16 am
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:16:13 +0800
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Subject: Re: 你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?
CD类的。。。虽然使用年龄才1年不到。

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Xel. Naga  
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 More options Oct 6 2008, 11:34 am
From: Xel.Naga <ph.lin...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:34:44 +0800
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Subject: Re: 你希望 Fedora 中文用户组做什么?

有组织,有预谋,有计划 为原则,逐步推动成员平均技术水平和社区贡献,建立起从入门初学到可以独立回馈社区的组织体系和框架。

至于如何组织,如何预谋,如何计划,当细细讨论,要求极公不顾私全身心投入是不可能的,关键在于如何有效利用好组织内成员的业余闲散时间,如何培养组织内的良好 学习交流气氛。

具体措施有赖大家出谋划策!

本人灌水完毕

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