---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Yuan Yijun <bbbush.y...@gmail.com> Date: 2008/11/16 Subject: How do you enforce someone to work on something? To: Fedora Ambassadors List <fedora-ambassadors-l...@redhat.com>
Hi,
As title, suppose an ambassador wants to do something, and he or she finds me, but I cannot tell because I don't know what he or she can do, how much time this guy can afford to contribute, how much money, etc. I can only tell them, do whatever you want, make yourself happy with Fedora. This helps, because I am doing the same thing, and I know one can find enjoyable things in a lot of activities. It does not help us to increase capacity and ability though. We don't have an idea of who "we" are, what "we" have, what "we" should or can do.
We are some ambassadors, are setting up a website, we can enforce the working group members to work on the website, at least in the lifetime of this working group (3mo to January). How can FP or FAmSCo help us? How can we ask the other Chinese ambassadors to work with us? To ask or answer those questions, does it matter who we are?
Well, if ambassadors is only about local events, then I am posting to a wrong list.
Actually my problem is I do think there can be multiple online groups who represents Chinese users, and we are a small fraction of them. Can FP/FAmSCo allow this by treating different groups equally? Then I can request for help from FP, on behalf of my group, without worry that FP will ignore the others, or vice versa. I want to know the policy, even when I cannot prove anything to FP/FAmSCo (how can I say such a loose organization worth help?..)
Finally, what is the suggested organization of ambassadors? Susmit mentioned coordinator which is new to me. What resource does a coordinator have, and how it works? How to you train your new ambassadors, or assign jobs, where can I find live samples, if not on this list?
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Yuan Yijun <bbbush.y...@gmail.com> > Date: 2008/11/16 > Subject: How do you enforce someone to work on something? > To: Fedora Ambassadors List <fedora-ambassadors-l...@redhat.com>
> Hi,
> As title, suppose an ambassador wants to do something, and he or she > finds me, but I cannot tell because I don't know what he or she can > do, how much time this guy can afford to contribute, how much money, > etc. I can only tell them, do whatever you want, make yourself happy > with Fedora. This helps, because I am doing the same thing, and I know > one can find enjoyable things in a lot of activities. It does not help > us to increase capacity and ability though. We don't have an idea of > who "we" are, what "we" have, what "we" should or can do.
> We are some ambassadors, are setting up a website, we can enforce the > working group members to work on the website, at least in the lifetime > of this working group (3mo to January). How can FP or FAmSCo help us? > How can we ask the other Chinese ambassadors to work with us? To ask > or answer those questions, does it matter who we are?
> Well, if ambassadors is only about local events, then I am posting to > a wrong list.
> Actually my problem is I do think there can be multiple online groups > who represents Chinese users, and we are a small fraction of them. Can > FP/FAmSCo allow this by treating different groups equally? Then I can > request for help from FP, on behalf of my group, without worry that FP > will ignore the others, or vice versa. I want to know the policy, even > when I cannot prove anything to FP/FAmSCo (how can I say such a loose > organization worth help?..)
> Finally, what is the suggested organization of ambassadors? Susmit > mentioned coordinator which is new to me. What resource does a > coordinator have, and how it works? How to you train your new > ambassadors, or assign jobs, where can I find live samples, if not on > this list?
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Yuan Yijun <bbbush.y...@gmail.com> >> Date: 2008/11/16 >> Subject: How do you enforce someone to work on something? >> To: Fedora Ambassadors List <fedora-ambassadors-l...@redhat.com>
>> Hi,
>> As title, suppose an ambassador wants to do something, and he or she >> finds me, but I cannot tell because I don't know what he or she can >> do, how much time this guy can afford to contribute, how much money, >> etc. I can only tell them, do whatever you want, make yourself happy >> with Fedora. This helps, because I am doing the same thing, and I know >> one can find enjoyable things in a lot of activities. It does not help >> us to increase capacity and ability though. We don't have an idea of >> who "we" are, what "we" have, what "we" should or can do.
>> We are some ambassadors, are setting up a website, we can enforce the >> working group members to work on the website, at least in the lifetime >> of this working group (3mo to January). How can FP or FAmSCo help us? >> How can we ask the other Chinese ambassadors to work with us? To ask >> or answer those questions, does it matter who we are?
>> Well, if ambassadors is only about local events, then I am posting to >> a wrong list.
>> Actually my problem is I do think there can be multiple online groups >> who represents Chinese users, and we are a small fraction of them. Can >> FP/FAmSCo allow this by treating different groups equally? Then I can >> request for help from FP, on behalf of my group, without worry that FP >> will ignore the others, or vice versa. I want to know the policy, even >> when I cannot prove anything to FP/FAmSCo (how can I say such a loose >> organization worth help?..)
>> Finally, what is the suggested organization of ambassadors? Susmit >> mentioned coordinator which is new to me. What resource does a >> coordinator have, and how it works? How to you train your new >> ambassadors, or assign jobs, where can I find live samples, if not on >> this list?
自己到 ambassadors list 去看，好像我确实想复杂了。比如 Susmit 的回复如下：
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: susmit shannigrahi <thinklinux....@gmail.com> Date: 2008/11/17 Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How do you enforce someone to work on something? To: fedora-ambassadors-l...@redhat.com
> Joerg, Chitlesh, Francesco, Susmit,
> Thank you all.
Thanks.
> I think my email is so vague because I am so confused on the > Ambassador thing. But your lengthy emails have told me what you care > most. Thank you again. > Also Chitlesh proposed a very good idea that if we do not have another > work group but rely on Infrastructure team, we can benefit a lot. >is it feasible to ask > Infrastructure team to help a local activity?
Yes it is feasible to ask for help. But this depends on various issues. I happen to work with them, please let me know (on list) what do you need from infrastructure, and I shall take it to the team, You may also stop by #fedora-admin and ask yourself. :)
> BTW, I wonder how India community got so many Ambassadors, not many > people in China can pass the CLA step and they have complained a lot > to me. Maybe they are too easy to get bored, too impatient, while the > rules are rather complex. I think it will help if all steps are > localized and accompanied with graph or magic wizards...
In India, Ambassadors are mostly students or were students when they started contributing. Some have attended some events and loved it. Some came on their own, some was against any linux thing, but was forced to do their project work on that, and they fell in love :) So everything combined and with a constant effort to raise the community, this is how it happened.
> As Francesco said, "moreover you are asking what FAmSCo could do for > you". Now I wish to know how you organize ambassadors country-wise, or > no such thing at all. Should individual ambassadors contact FAmSCo > directly or not, or is there some one to represent his country?
No such thing, there is no single point of contact. Everyone has equal access to all Fedora resources including access to FamSco.
"It is *critical* that you create a culture of sharing work, and not a culture of people being afraid to say "I am busy" or "someone else needs to do this". The Fedora communities that function best are ones in which people are willing to step in and help out a friend who doesn't have enough time to get something done. Especially when most Fedora contributors are volunteers, this is essential."
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Max Spevack <mspev...@redhat.com> Date: 2008/11/18 Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How do you enforce someone to work on something? To: Fedora Ambassadors List <fedora-ambassadors-l...@redhat.com>
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008, Yuan Yijun wrote:
> Finally, what is the suggested organization of ambassadors? Susmit mentioned coordinator which is new to me. What resource does a coordinator have, and how it works? How to you train your new ambassadors, or assign jobs, where can I find live samples, if not on this list?
Hi,
Allow me to share a few general principles that I use when building community, and you can generalize them for your specific needs.
First of all, don't try to build just a Fedora *Ambassador* community, but rather think about building the entire Fedora community in your area. That means people who are users, developers, ambassadors, or who serve in more than one role.
The job of Ambassadors is key because they are the people who bring together the rest of the community face to face. Having personal meetings at events is one of the fastest and most efficient ways to not only build teamwork, but also to achieve results. An hour spent discussing something face to face is worth 2 or 3 days of time spent on an email thread.
The best thing to do is reach out to all of the Fedora folks local to your community and first make sure that everyone is working towards the same goals, in the same place. Make sure your local conversations are taking place on one mailing list, or one one IRC channel, or on one wiki page.
Keep a simple task list of the goals that the local team is working towards. Each task should have a short description, and also an "owner" who is the person responsible for the task.
When you have your meetings, it gives you a chance for each person to give a small update, and for people to move around ownership of different tasks as needed.
It is *critical* that you create a culture of sharing work, and not a culture of people being afraid to say "I am busy" or "someone else needs to do this". The Fedora communities that function best are ones in which people are willing to step in and help out a friend who doesn't have enough time to get something done. Especially when most Fedora contributors are volunteers, this is essential.
Finally, as you begin to organize events in your region, FAmSCo can help you to get resources and budget. FAmSCo will allocate budget for events, and your main point of contact within Red Hat for getting budget in Asia is Harish Pillay.
You'll want to make sure that you are familiar with the FedoraEvents page on the wiki, and also with the "event report" guidelines that are linked on the top of that page.
That's just a little bit of advice. Feel free to ask more questions, and thanks for your efforts.
