Leigh begins by bolstering his position that a facilitator cannot
easily change hats from one role to another, from facilitator to
teacher etc. I suppose I would think the same. A role is tough to
play. I wouldn't think that an actor on stage would be able to play
more than one or two roles in the play. Here we are talking about
three roles - facilitator, moderator and teacher. I suppose it can be
done, but how well?
There is also some talk about the role of moderator. My take is that
you can toss out the so-called "moderator" because nothing has so
disturbed the entire web than this subversive element. Traditional
democratic form is our moderator. Ditching that was where the whole
web veered. But they were technocrats, and we are not!
I get a feeling that Leigh is interested in practicing and promoting
the arts of a kind of Socratic dialogue, and I am all in favor of
that, but it requires training. A good way into that type of learning
is to start people out with practical dialogues (workshops) in which
the learners compare knowledges and ignorances and fill in the gaps.
That can help people to learn how to learn.
Leigh makes a distinction between this course and a community. I can
do that to an extent. If you have FOC07 and FOC08 together in a
course, then you have an FOC community. Because FOC07 is finished with
the course. If this scenario occurred in a university setting, it
would be a community that supports a course. In that light, it could
be of vital interest to the whole community to advance the course for
those who are continuing to learn. A community time for everyone, a
time for FOC08, and a distinct role for the FOC07 people.
That's my first listen. But I have noticed that I usually hear wrong
the first time! Or I miss whole parts. I must have because at the same
time that I was listening, I was writing this and writing emails and
surfing for info. So my attention was completely divided! I'll have to
listen to it again.
On Sep 8, 8:25 pm, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps it would also be good to evaluate the meetings upon more
objective grounds?
Did the meeting start on time?
How long was the meeting? I think the meeting has a clock setting that
cuts off at one hour. This keeps the leader aware of time. Meetings
should generally run either on time from beginning to end or,
preferably, be shorter. So Leigh has been just shy of 60 minutes with
each meeting. This one was 8 minutes short. Good.
How many meetings were scheduled for this date?
How many meetings occurred? One or two?
Who attended each meeting? This is important to know because if the
two meetings have substantially different memberships then they
constitute not only two meetings but two distinct groups. If this is
so, then we should also note the natural division of the two groups.
We might look at fluctuations in attendance. Is it stable, falling or
increasing?
Who spoke in the meeting?
Were any recognizable roles performed by other members?
Was there any noticable structure or progression from one part to the
next?
Have I missed any other objective criteria for evaluating a meeting?
artie
On Sep 8, 9:29 pm, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Leigh begins by bolstering his position that a facilitator cannot
> easily change hats from one role to another, from facilitator to
> teacher etc. I suppose I would think the same. A role is tough to
> play. I wouldn't think that an actor on stage would be able to play
> more than one or two roles in the play. Here we are talking about
> three roles - facilitator, moderator and teacher. I suppose it can be
> done, but how well?
> There is also some talk about the role of moderator. My take is that
> you can toss out the so-called "moderator" because nothing has so
> disturbed the entire web than this subversive element. Traditional
> democratic form is our moderator. Ditching that was where the whole
> web veered. But they were technocrats, and we are not!
> I get a feeling that Leigh is interested in practicing and promoting
> the arts of a kind of Socratic dialogue, and I am all in favor of
> that, but it requires training. A good way into that type of learning
> is to start people out with practical dialogues (workshops) in which
> the learners compare knowledges and ignorances and fill in the gaps.
> That can help people to learn how to learn.
> Leigh makes a distinction between this course and a community. I can
> do that to an extent. If you have FOC07 and FOC08 together in a
> course, then you have an FOC community. Because FOC07 is finished with
> the course. If this scenario occurred in a university setting, it
> would be a community that supports a course. In that light, it could
> be of vital interest to the whole community to advance the course for
> those who are continuing to learn. A community time for everyone, a
> time for FOC08, and a distinct role for the FOC07 people.
> That's my first listen. But I have noticed that I usually hear wrong
> the first time! Or I miss whole parts. I must have because at the same
> time that I was listening, I was writing this and writing emails and
> surfing for info. So my attention was completely divided! I'll have to
> listen to it again.
> On Sep 8, 8:25 pm, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> > Leigh asked me to put up a link to the meeting recording and start a
> > discussion.
> StaffMember: So sorry Daryl!! I forgot the recorder again!!!
> StaffMember: is on now
> StaffMember: perhaps know when to share these roles
This does not tell us when the meeting began but does tell us that the recording began at 20:11. So if we add the 52 minutes of recording, the meeting was a total of 63 minutes. 3 minutes overtime. Meetings should begin on time and either end on time or earlier. But 3 minutes overtime is not very bad. And there is a mention of sharing roles. So possibly the leader can get people to handle several of the tasks and make it less of a juggle. It's not bad for the third meeting and I suppose we can expect it to get better with each meeting. At least that can be a target. I know that it is not easy to do this kind of organizing, which is why other people need to get it and carve out supportive roles.
And can we give some designated titles to these roles? Meeting Coordinator, Meeting Recorder, what other roles may be necessary?
> Perhaps it would also be good to evaluate the meetings upon more > objective grounds?
> Did the meeting start on time?
> How long was the meeting? I think the meeting has a clock setting that > cuts off at one hour. This keeps the leader aware of time. Meetings > should generally run either on time from beginning to end or, > preferably, be shorter. So Leigh has been just shy of 60 minutes with > each meeting. This one was 8 minutes short. Good.
> How many meetings were scheduled for this date?
> How many meetings occurred? One or two?
> Who attended each meeting? This is important to know because if the > two meetings have substantially different memberships then they > constitute not only two meetings but two distinct groups. If this is > so, then we should also note the natural division of the two groups.
> We might look at fluctuations in attendance. Is it stable, falling or > increasing?
> Who spoke in the meeting?
> Were any recognizable roles performed by other members?
> Was there any noticable structure or progression from one part to the > next?
> Have I missed any other objective criteria for evaluating a meeting?
> artie
> On Sep 8, 9:29 pm, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The meeting is 52 minutes long (or short?)
> > Leigh begins by bolstering his position that a facilitator cannot > > easily change hats from one role to another, from facilitator to > > teacher etc. I suppose I would think the same. A role is tough to > > play. I wouldn't think that an actor on stage would be able to play > > more than one or two roles in the play. Here we are talking about > > three roles - facilitator, moderator and teacher. I suppose it can be > > done, but how well?
> > There is also some talk about the role of moderator. My take is that > > you can toss out the so-called "moderator" because nothing has so > > disturbed the entire web than this subversive element. Traditional > > democratic form is our moderator. Ditching that was where the whole > > web veered. But they were technocrats, and we are not!
> > I get a feeling that Leigh is interested in practicing and promoting > > the arts of a kind of Socratic dialogue, and I am all in favor of > > that, but it requires training. A good way into that type of learning > > is to start people out with practical dialogues (workshops) in which > > the learners compare knowledges and ignorances and fill in the gaps. > > That can help people to learn how to learn.
> > Leigh makes a distinction between this course and a community. I can > > do that to an extent. If you have FOC07 and FOC08 together in a > > course, then you have an FOC community. Because FOC07 is finished with > > the course. If this scenario occurred in a university setting, it > > would be a community that supports a course. In that light, it could > > be of vital interest to the whole community to advance the course for > > those who are continuing to learn. A community time for everyone, a > > time for FOC08, and a distinct role for the FOC07 people.
> > That's my first listen. But I have noticed that I usually hear wrong > > the first time! Or I miss whole parts. I must have because at the same > > time that I was listening, I was writing this and writing emails and > > surfing for info. So my attention was completely divided! I'll have to > > listen to it again.
> > On Sep 8, 8:25 pm, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > > Leigh asked me to put up a link to the meeting recording and start a > > > discussion.
I think that since this is a course is facilitation that the members
ought to rotate as Facilitator each meeting. The role of Recorder
might be shared. But no one should be fixed in any role. The fact that
Leigh is still functioning as facilitator makes me doubt the success
of FOC07. All of FOC07 should be facilitating this course. And there
should also be a Meeting Evaluator. Someone who comments about the
meeting using objective criteria.
So we have these roles:
Course Coordinater
Meeting Faciliators (for two distinct groups)
Recorder (and Timer)
Grammarian - Sometimes I do not understand what was recorded. Could be
a word not being understood, could be technical difficulties
Meeting Evaluator
Leigh doesn't maintain the scheduled topic for this meeting. Seems
like he's still back there struggling with these issues of
faciliation. That's OK. I'm still trying to figure out "What is a
Community?" I will still be working on that when this course finishes.
On Sep 9, 12:33 pm, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > StaffMember: So sorry Daryl!! I forgot the recorder again!!!
> > StaffMember: is on now
> > StaffMember: perhaps know when to share these roles
> This does not tell us when the meeting began but does tell us that the
> recording began at 20:11. So if we add the 52 minutes of recording, the
> meeting was a total of 63 minutes. 3 minutes overtime. Meetings should begin
> on time and either end on time or earlier. But 3 minutes overtime is not
> very bad. And there is a mention of sharing roles. So possibly the leader
> can get people to handle several of the tasks and make it less of a juggle.
> It's not bad for the third meeting and I suppose we can expect it to get
> better with each meeting. At least that can be a target. I know that it is
> not easy to do this kind of organizing, which is why other people need to
> get it and carve out supportive roles.
> And can we give some designated titles to these roles?
> Meeting Coordinator, Meeting Recorder, what other roles may be necessary?
> > Perhaps it would also be good to evaluate the meetings upon more
> > objective grounds?
> > Did the meeting start on time?
> > How long was the meeting? I think the meeting has a clock setting that
> > cuts off at one hour. This keeps the leader aware of time. Meetings
> > should generally run either on time from beginning to end or,
> > preferably, be shorter. So Leigh has been just shy of 60 minutes with
> > each meeting. This one was 8 minutes short. Good.
> > How many meetings were scheduled for this date?
> > How many meetings occurred? One or two?
> > Who attended each meeting? This is important to know because if the
> > two meetings have substantially different memberships then they
> > constitute not only two meetings but two distinct groups. If this is
> > so, then we should also note the natural division of the two groups.
> > We might look at fluctuations in attendance. Is it stable, falling or
> > increasing?
> > Who spoke in the meeting?
> > Were any recognizable roles performed by other members?
> > Was there any noticable structure or progression from one part to the
> > next?
> > Have I missed any other objective criteria for evaluating a meeting?
> > artie
> > On Sep 8, 9:29 pm, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The meeting is 52 minutes long (or short?)
> > > Leigh begins by bolstering his position that a facilitator cannot
> > > easily change hats from one role to another, from facilitator to
> > > teacher etc. I suppose I would think the same. A role is tough to
> > > play. I wouldn't think that an actor on stage would be able to play
> > > more than one or two roles in the play. Here we are talking about
> > > three roles - facilitator, moderator and teacher. I suppose it can be
> > > done, but how well?
> > > There is also some talk about the role of moderator. My take is that
> > > you can toss out the so-called "moderator" because nothing has so
> > > disturbed the entire web than this subversive element. Traditional
> > > democratic form is our moderator. Ditching that was where the whole
> > > web veered. But they were technocrats, and we are not!
> > > I get a feeling that Leigh is interested in practicing and promoting
> > > the arts of a kind of Socratic dialogue, and I am all in favor of
> > > that, but it requires training. A good way into that type of learning
> > > is to start people out with practical dialogues (workshops) in which
> > > the learners compare knowledges and ignorances and fill in the gaps.
> > > That can help people to learn how to learn.
> > > Leigh makes a distinction between this course and a community. I can
> > > do that to an extent. If you have FOC07 and FOC08 together in a
> > > course, then you have an FOC community. Because FOC07 is finished with
> > > the course. If this scenario occurred in a university setting, it
> > > would be a community that supports a course. In that light, it could
> > > be of vital interest to the whole community to advance the course for
> > > those who are continuing to learn. A community time for everyone, a
> > > time for FOC08, and a distinct role for the FOC07 people.
> > > That's my first listen. But I have noticed that I usually hear wrong
> > > the first time! Or I miss whole parts. I must have because at the same
> > > time that I was listening, I was writing this and writing emails and
> > > surfing for info. So my attention was completely divided! I'll have to
> > > listen to it again.
I was on the FOC 07 course and had every intention of doing more informal 'facilitating' of this course than I have. Theoretically, you are absolutely right, and I am very happy to 'help' in any way I can. But the fact of the matter is I am incredibly busy at the moment, so just haven't got time to do anything more than keep an eye on proceedings and say a word here and there.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think that since this is a course is facilitation that the members > ought to rotate as Facilitator each meeting. The role of Recorder > might be shared. But no one should be fixed in any role. The fact that > Leigh is still functioning as facilitator makes me doubt the success > of FOC07. All of FOC07 should be facilitating this course. And there > should also be a Meeting Evaluator. Someone who comments about the > meeting using objective criteria.
> So we have these roles: > Course Coordinater > Meeting Faciliators (for two distinct groups) > Recorder (and Timer) > Grammarian - Sometimes I do not understand what was recorded. Could be > a word not being understood, could be technical difficulties > Meeting Evaluator
> Leigh doesn't maintain the scheduled topic for this meeting. Seems > like he's still back there struggling with these issues of > faciliation. That's OK. I'm still trying to figure out "What is a > Community?" I will still be working on that when this course finishes.
The fact that so many people have so little time is the very reason why we need to be as organized as we possibly can be. I suggest making appointment with other members and learning something new, thoroughly, using a practical dialogue form. We can learn a lot in a small period of organized time.
At this time, Greg and I are learning eachother's time zones so that we can schedule appointments with eachother and work in an organized fashion. We are going to learn how to make appointments with eachother.
I would like to do complete tours of everyone's blogs and I would be willing to give each member who is blogging in this course a personal tour of my blog.
:) artie On 10/09/2008, Sarah Stewart <sarahstewar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was on the FOC 07 course and had every intention of doing more informal > 'facilitating' of this course than I have. Theoretically, you are absolutely > right, and I am very happy to 'help' in any way I can. But the fact of the > matter is I am incredibly busy at the moment, so just haven't got time to do > anything more than keep an eye on proceedings and say a word here and there.
> How do you actually see FOC07 people taking part?
> cheers Sarah
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> I think that since this is a course is facilitation that the members >> ought to rotate as Facilitator each meeting. The role of Recorder >> might be shared. But no one should be fixed in any role. The fact that >> Leigh is still functioning as facilitator makes me doubt the success >> of FOC07. All of FOC07 should be facilitating this course. And there >> should also be a Meeting Evaluator. Someone who comments about the >> meeting using objective criteria.
>> So we have these roles: >> Course Coordinater >> Meeting Faciliators (for two distinct groups) >> Recorder (and Timer) >> Grammarian - Sometimes I do not understand what was recorded. Could be >> a word not being understood, could be technical difficulties >> Meeting Evaluator
>> Leigh doesn't maintain the scheduled topic for this meeting. Seems >> like he's still back there struggling with these issues of >> faciliation. That's OK. I'm still trying to figure out "What is a >> Community?" I will still be working on that when this course finishes.
Fascinating thoughts and ideas there Artie. Good on you for posting them. Since attending a 3 day f2f conference I have fallen behind on FOC08 - but its a flexible course right? My turn to be behind - which is your opportunity to facilitate perhaps? I really like the suggestion of sharing the roles over the meetings and was waiting for a time that felt right for this. I think 3 meetings is enough for some people to now have the hang of how I run them at least.. My approach is to simply set 2 times that we know is reasonable for almost all of us, and who ever can make it does. I find this avoids the endless exchange of time zones etc. I then run a pretty open meeting revolving around people sharing their thoughts while we look at their blog. I leave enough time for me to communicate what is expected in terms of the course schedule. It would be great if someone else was to step up to the plate and organise meetings too - either in this style or another. It will be good practice for those thinking of facilitating a web meeting for the course mini conference. I am aware of some meetings taking place, but I have not been able to access any recordings, nor have any been noted to the meetings page on the wiki. But I admit I am a few days behind, so perhaps I am about to discover a recording and notes...
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:57 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Sarah,
> The fact that so many people have so little time is the very reason why we > need to be as organized as we possibly can be. I suggest making appointment > with other members and learning something new, thoroughly, using a practical > dialogue form. We can learn a lot in a small period of organized time.
> At this time, Greg and I are learning eachother's time zones so that we can > schedule appointments with eachother and work in an organized fashion. We > are going to learn how to make appointments with eachother.
> I would like to do complete tours of everyone's blogs and I would be > willing to give each member who is blogging in this course a personal tour > of my blog.
> :) > artie > On 10/09/2008, Sarah Stewart <sarahstewar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Artie
>> I was on the FOC 07 course and had every intention of doing more informal >> 'facilitating' of this course than I have. Theoretically, you are absolutely >> right, and I am very happy to 'help' in any way I can. But the fact of the >> matter is I am incredibly busy at the moment, so just haven't got time to do >> anything more than keep an eye on proceedings and say a word here and there.
>> How do you actually see FOC07 people taking part?
>> cheers Sarah
>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> I think that since this is a course is facilitation that the members >>> ought to rotate as Facilitator each meeting. The role of Recorder >>> might be shared. But no one should be fixed in any role. The fact that >>> Leigh is still functioning as facilitator makes me doubt the success >>> of FOC07. All of FOC07 should be facilitating this course. And there >>> should also be a Meeting Evaluator. Someone who comments about the >>> meeting using objective criteria.
>>> So we have these roles: >>> Course Coordinater >>> Meeting Faciliators (for two distinct groups) >>> Recorder (and Timer) >>> Grammarian - Sometimes I do not understand what was recorded. Could be >>> a word not being understood, could be technical difficulties >>> Meeting Evaluator
>>> Leigh doesn't maintain the scheduled topic for this meeting. Seems >>> like he's still back there struggling with these issues of >>> faciliation. That's OK. I'm still trying to figure out "What is a >>> Community?" I will still be working on that when this course finishes.
Leigh, I want to take a closer look at the whys and hows of splitting the meeting into two.
First, it was obviously necessary to have two meetings when a full third of the globe is unconscious while the other two thirds is conscious.This is a natural and unavoidable division.
No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings. What two times were chosen for the meeting and why?
> Fascinating thoughts and ideas there Artie. Good on you for posting them. > Since attending a 3 day f2f conference I have fallen behind on FOC08 - but > its a flexible course right? My turn to be behind - which is your > opportunity to facilitate perhaps? I really like the suggestion of sharing > the roles over the meetings and was waiting for a time that felt right for > this. I think 3 meetings is enough for some people to now have the hang of > how I run them at least.. My approach is to simply set 2 times that we know > is reasonable for almost all of us, and who ever can make it does. I find > this avoids the endless exchange of time zones etc. I then run a pretty open > meeting revolving around people sharing their thoughts while we look at > their blog. I leave enough time for me to communicate what is expected in > terms of the course schedule. It would be great if someone else was to step > up to the plate and organise meetings too - either in this style or another. > It will be good practice for those thinking of facilitating a web meeting > for the course mini conference. I am aware of some meetings taking place, > but I have not been able to access any recordings, nor have any been noted > to the meetings page on the wiki. But I admit I am a few days behind, so > perhaps I am about to discover a recording and notes...
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:57 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Hello Sarah,
>> The fact that so many people have so little time is the very reason why we >> need to be as organized as we possibly can be. I suggest making appointment >> with other members and learning something new, thoroughly, using a practical >> dialogue form. We can learn a lot in a small period of organized time.
>> At this time, Greg and I are learning eachother's time zones so that we >> can schedule appointments with eachother and work in an organized fashion. >> We are going to learn how to make appointments with eachother.
>> I would like to do complete tours of everyone's blogs and I would be >> willing to give each member who is blogging in this course a personal tour >> of my blog.
>> :) >> artie >> On 10/09/2008, Sarah Stewart <sarahstewar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Artie
>>> I was on the FOC 07 course and had every intention of doing more informal >>> 'facilitating' of this course than I have. Theoretically, you are absolutely >>> right, and I am very happy to 'help' in any way I can. But the fact of the >>> matter is I am incredibly busy at the moment, so just haven't got time to do >>> anything more than keep an eye on proceedings and say a word here and there.
>>> How do you actually see FOC07 people taking part?
>>> cheers Sarah
>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> I think that since this is a course is facilitation that the members >>>> ought to rotate as Facilitator each meeting. The role of Recorder >>>> might be shared. But no one should be fixed in any role. The fact that >>>> Leigh is still functioning as facilitator makes me doubt the success >>>> of FOC07. All of FOC07 should be facilitating this course. And there >>>> should also be a Meeting Evaluator. Someone who comments about the >>>> meeting using objective criteria.
>>>> So we have these roles: >>>> Course Coordinater >>>> Meeting Faciliators (for two distinct groups) >>>> Recorder (and Timer) >>>> Grammarian - Sometimes I do not understand what was recorded. Could be >>>> a word not being understood, could be technical difficulties >>>> Meeting Evaluator
>>>> Leigh doesn't maintain the scheduled topic for this meeting. Seems >>>> like he's still back there struggling with these issues of >>>> faciliation. That's OK. I'm still trying to figure out "What is a >>>> Community?" I will still be working on that when this course finishes.
No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings. What two
> times were chosen for the meeting and why?
That's right Artie, there is no schedule for meetings because they are set as and when needed. The two times where arrived at through general discussion on this forum - perhaps a little before you joined. I figured that 9pm UTC and 8am UTC gave almost everyone a chance to join. See if you can work out if that's true. Here's a hint<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/> .
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Leigh, I want to take a closer look at the whys and hows of splitting the > meeting into two.
> First, it was obviously necessary to have two meetings when a full third of > the globe is unconscious while the other two thirds is conscious.This is > a natural and unavoidable division.
> No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings. What two > times were chosen for the meeting and why?
>> Fascinating thoughts and ideas there Artie. Good on you for posting them. >> Since attending a 3 day f2f conference I have fallen behind on FOC08 - but >> its a flexible course right? My turn to be behind - which is your >> opportunity to facilitate perhaps? I really like the suggestion of sharing >> the roles over the meetings and was waiting for a time that felt right for >> this. I think 3 meetings is enough for some people to now have the hang of >> how I run them at least.. My approach is to simply set 2 times that we know >> is reasonable for almost all of us, and who ever can make it does. I find >> this avoids the endless exchange of time zones etc. I then run a pretty open >> meeting revolving around people sharing their thoughts while we look at >> their blog. I leave enough time for me to communicate what is expected in >> terms of the course schedule. It would be great if someone else was to step >> up to the plate and organise meetings too - either in this style or another. >> It will be good practice for those thinking of facilitating a web meeting >> for the course mini conference. I am aware of some meetings taking place, >> but I have not been able to access any recordings, nor have any been noted >> to the meetings page on the wiki. But I admit I am a few days behind, so >> perhaps I am about to discover a recording and notes...
>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:57 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> Hello Sarah,
>>> The fact that so many people have so little time is the very reason why >>> we need to be as organized as we possibly can be. I suggest making >>> appointment with other members and learning something new, thoroughly, using >>> a practical dialogue form. We can learn a lot in a small period of organized >>> time.
>>> At this time, Greg and I are learning eachother's time zones so that we >>> can schedule appointments with eachother and work in an organized fashion. >>> We are going to learn how to make appointments with eachother.
>>> I would like to do complete tours of everyone's blogs and I would be >>> willing to give each member who is blogging in this course a personal tour >>> of my blog.
>>> :) >>> artie >>> On 10/09/2008, Sarah Stewart <sarahstewar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Artie
>>>> I was on the FOC 07 course and had every intention of doing more >>>> informal 'facilitating' of this course than I have. Theoretically, you are >>>> absolutely right, and I am very happy to 'help' in any way I can. But the >>>> fact of the matter is I am incredibly busy at the moment, so just haven't >>>> got time to do anything more than keep an eye on proceedings and say a word >>>> here and there.
>>>> How do you actually see FOC07 people taking part?
>>>> cheers Sarah
>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> I think that since this is a course is facilitation that the members >>>>> ought to rotate as Facilitator each meeting. The role of Recorder >>>>> might be shared. But no one should be fixed in any role. The fact that >>>>> Leigh is still functioning as facilitator makes me doubt the success >>>>> of FOC07. All of FOC07 should be facilitating this course. And there >>>>> should also be a Meeting Evaluator. Someone who comments about the >>>>> meeting using objective criteria.
>>>>> So we have these roles: >>>>> Course Coordinater >>>>> Meeting Faciliators (for two distinct groups) >>>>> Recorder (and Timer) >>>>> Grammarian - Sometimes I do not understand what was recorded. Could be >>>>> a word not being understood, could be technical difficulties >>>>> Meeting Evaluator
>>>>> Leigh doesn't maintain the scheduled topic for this meeting. Seems >>>>> like he's still back there struggling with these issues of >>>>> faciliation. That's OK. I'm still trying to figure out "What is a >>>>> Community?" I will still be working on that when this course finishes.
My guess is that you chose times that were about 12 hours apart so as to
accomodate those who lived 180º apart on a latitude. Is that guess about
right?
> No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings. What
>> two times were chosen for the meeting and why?
> That's right Artie, there is no schedule for meetings because they are set
> as and when needed. The two times where arrived at through general
> discussion on this forum - perhaps a little before you joined. I figured
> that 9pm UTC and 8am UTC gave almost everyone a chance to join. See if you
> can work out if that's true. Here's a hint<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/>
> .
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Leigh, I want to take a closer look at the whys and hows of splitting
>> the meeting into two.
>> First, it was obviously necessary to have two meetings when a full third
>> of the globe is unconscious while the other two thirds is conscious.This is
>> a natural and unavoidable division.
>> No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings. What two
>> times were chosen for the meeting and why?
>>> Fascinating thoughts and ideas there Artie. Good on you for posting
>>> them. Since attending a 3 day f2f conference I have fallen behind on FOC08 -
>>> but its a flexible course right? My turn to be behind - which is your
>>> opportunity to facilitate perhaps? I really like the suggestion of sharing
>>> the roles over the meetings and was waiting for a time that felt right for
>>> this. I think 3 meetings is enough for some people to now have the hang of
>>> how I run them at least.. My approach is to simply set 2 times that we know
>>> is reasonable for almost all of us, and who ever can make it does. I find
>>> this avoids the endless exchange of time zones etc. I then run a pretty open
>>> meeting revolving around people sharing their thoughts while we look at
>>> their blog. I leave enough time for me to communicate what is expected in
>>> terms of the course schedule. It would be great if someone else was to step
>>> up to the plate and organise meetings too - either in this style or another.
>>> It will be good practice for those thinking of facilitating a web meeting
>>> for the course mini conference. I am aware of some meetings taking place,
>>> but I have not been able to access any recordings, nor have any been noted
>>> to the meetings page on the wiki. But I admit I am a few days behind, so
>>> perhaps I am about to discover a recording and notes...
>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:57 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> Hello Sarah,
>>>> The fact that so many people have so little time is the very reason why
>>>> we need to be as organized as we possibly can be. I suggest making
>>>> appointment with other members and learning something new, thoroughly, using
>>>> a practical dialogue form. We can learn a lot in a small period of organized
>>>> time.
>>>> At this time, Greg and I are learning eachother's time zones so that we
>>>> can schedule appointments with eachother and work in an organized fashion.
>>>> We are going to learn how to make appointments with eachother.
>>>> I would like to do complete tours of everyone's blogs and I would be
>>>> willing to give each member who is blogging in this course a personal tour
>>>> of my blog.
>>>> :)
>>>> artie
>>>> On 10/09/2008, Sarah Stewart <sarahstewar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Artie
>>>>> I was on the FOC 07 course and had every intention of doing more
>>>>> informal 'facilitating' of this course than I have. Theoretically, you are
>>>>> absolutely right, and I am very happy to 'help' in any way I can. But the
>>>>> fact of the matter is I am incredibly busy at the moment, so just haven't
>>>>> got time to do anything more than keep an eye on proceedings and say a word
>>>>> here and there.
>>>>> How do you actually see FOC07 people taking part?
>>>>> cheers Sarah
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> I think that since this is a course is facilitation that the members
>>>>>> ought to rotate as Facilitator each meeting. The role of Recorder
>>>>>> might be shared. But no one should be fixed in any role. The fact that
>>>>>> Leigh is still functioning as facilitator makes me doubt the success
>>>>>> of FOC07. All of FOC07 should be facilitating this course. And there
>>>>>> should also be a Meeting Evaluator. Someone who comments about the
>>>>>> meeting using objective criteria.
>>>>>> So we have these roles:
>>>>>> Course Coordinater
>>>>>> Meeting Faciliators (for two distinct groups)
>>>>>> Recorder (and Timer)
>>>>>> Grammarian - Sometimes I do not understand what was recorded. Could be
>>>>>> a word not being understood, could be technical difficulties
>>>>>> Meeting Evaluator
>>>>>> Leigh doesn't maintain the scheduled topic for this meeting. Seems
>>>>>> like he's still back there struggling with these issues of
>>>>>> faciliation. That's OK. I'm still trying to figure out "What is a
>>>>>> Community?" I will still be working on that when this course finishes.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:37 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My guess is that you chose times that were about 12 hours apart so as to
> accomodate those who lived 180º apart on a latitude. Is that guess about
> right?
>> No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings. What
>>> two times were chosen for the meeting and why?
>> That's right Artie, there is no schedule for meetings because they are set
>> as and when needed. The two times where arrived at through general
>> discussion on this forum - perhaps a little before you joined. I figured
>> that 9pm UTC and 8am UTC gave almost everyone a chance to join. See if you
>> can work out if that's true. Here's a hint<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/>
>> .
>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> Leigh, I want to take a closer look at the whys and hows of splitting
>>> the meeting into two.
>>> First, it was obviously necessary to have two meetings when a full third
>>> of the globe is unconscious while the other two thirds is conscious.This is
>>> a natural and unavoidable division.
>>> No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings. What
>>> two times were chosen for the meeting and why?
>>>> Fascinating thoughts and ideas there Artie. Good on you for posting
>>>> them. Since attending a 3 day f2f conference I have fallen behind on FOC08 -
>>>> but its a flexible course right? My turn to be behind - which is your
>>>> opportunity to facilitate perhaps? I really like the suggestion of sharing
>>>> the roles over the meetings and was waiting for a time that felt right for
>>>> this. I think 3 meetings is enough for some people to now have the hang of
>>>> how I run them at least.. My approach is to simply set 2 times that we know
>>>> is reasonable for almost all of us, and who ever can make it does. I find
>>>> this avoids the endless exchange of time zones etc. I then run a pretty open
>>>> meeting revolving around people sharing their thoughts while we look at
>>>> their blog. I leave enough time for me to communicate what is expected in
>>>> terms of the course schedule. It would be great if someone else was to step
>>>> up to the plate and organise meetings too - either in this style or another.
>>>> It will be good practice for those thinking of facilitating a web meeting
>>>> for the course mini conference. I am aware of some meetings taking place,
>>>> but I have not been able to access any recordings, nor have any been noted
>>>> to the meetings page on the wiki. But I admit I am a few days behind, so
>>>> perhaps I am about to discover a recording and notes...
>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:57 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> Hello Sarah,
>>>>> The fact that so many people have so little time is the very reason why
>>>>> we need to be as organized as we possibly can be. I suggest making
>>>>> appointment with other members and learning something new, thoroughly, using
>>>>> a practical dialogue form. We can learn a lot in a small period of organized
>>>>> time.
>>>>> At this time, Greg and I are learning eachother's time zones so that we
>>>>> can schedule appointments with eachother and work in an organized fashion.
>>>>> We are going to learn how to make appointments with eachother.
>>>>> I would like to do complete tours of everyone's blogs and I would be
>>>>> willing to give each member who is blogging in this course a personal tour
>>>>> of my blog.
>>>>> :)
>>>>> artie
>>>>> On 10/09/2008, Sarah Stewart <sarahstewar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Artie
>>>>>> I was on the FOC 07 course and had every intention of doing more
>>>>>> informal 'facilitating' of this course than I have. Theoretically, you are
>>>>>> absolutely right, and I am very happy to 'help' in any way I can. But the
>>>>>> fact of the matter is I am incredibly busy at the moment, so just haven't
>>>>>> got time to do anything more than keep an eye on proceedings and say a word
>>>>>> here and there.
>>>>>> How do you actually see FOC07 people taking part?
>>>>>> cheers Sarah
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>> I think that since this is a course is facilitation that the members
>>>>>>> ought to rotate as Facilitator each meeting. The role of Recorder
>>>>>>> might be shared. But no one should be fixed in any role. The fact
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> Leigh is still functioning as facilitator makes me doubt the success
>>>>>>> of FOC07. All of FOC07 should be facilitating this course. And there
>>>>>>> should also be a Meeting Evaluator. Someone who comments about the
>>>>>>> meeting using objective criteria.
>>>>>>> So we have these roles:
>>>>>>> Course Coordinater
>>>>>>> Meeting Faciliators (for two distinct groups)
>>>>>>> Recorder (and Timer)
>>>>>>> Grammarian - Sometimes I do not understand what was recorded. Could
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> a word not being understood, could be technical difficulties
>>>>>>> Meeting Evaluator
>>>>>>> Leigh doesn't maintain the scheduled topic for this meeting. Seems
>>>>>>> like he's still back there struggling with these issues of
>>>>>>> faciliation. That's OK. I'm still trying to figure out "What is a
>>>>>>> Community?" I will still be working on that when this course
>>>>>>> finishes.
"I figured that 9pm UTC and 8am UTC gave almost everyone a chance to
join. See if you
can work out if that's true." - Leigh
That's exactly what I want to do with your help. My first thought was
that in order to cover the whole web, we must have meetings that are
about 12 hours apart, which is what you did. Now I'm interested to
know what logic led me and everyone else to believe that this was
correct? I know that I had some logical reason to believe this but now
it escapes me. Maybe someone can remind me of what I must have been
thinking?
How are people in this course (or community) distributed around the
globe?
On Sep 11, 5:03 pm, "Leigh Blackall" <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not that simple.. it just worked out that way. If I was thinking that
> simply, I would have probably just gone 9am and pm UTC
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:37 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > My guess is that you chose times that were about 12 hours apart so as to
> > accomodate those who lived 180º apart on a latitude. Is that guess about
> > right?
> >> No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings. What
> >>> two times were chosen for the meeting and why?
> >> That's right Artie, there is no schedule for meetings because they are set
> >> as and when needed. The two times where arrived at through general
> >> discussion on this forum - perhaps a little before you joined. I figured
> >> that 9pm UTC and 8am UTC gave almost everyone a chance to join. See if you
> >> can work out if that's true. Here's a hint<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/>
> >> .
> >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>> Leigh, I want to take a closer look at the whys and hows of splitting
> >>> the meeting into two.
> >>> First, it was obviously necessary to have two meetings when a full third
> >>> of the globe is unconscious while the other two thirds is conscious.This is
> >>> a natural and unavoidable division.
> >>> No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings. What
> >>> two times were chosen for the meeting and why?
> >>>> Fascinating thoughts and ideas there Artie. Good on you for posting
> >>>> them. Since attending a 3 day f2f conference I have fallen behind on FOC08 -
> >>>> but its a flexible course right? My turn to be behind - which is your
> >>>> opportunity to facilitate perhaps? I really like the suggestion of sharing
> >>>> the roles over the meetings and was waiting for a time that felt right for
> >>>> this. I think 3 meetings is enough for some people to now have the hang of
> >>>> how I run them at least.. My approach is to simply set 2 times that we know
> >>>> is reasonable for almost all of us, and who ever can make it does. I find
> >>>> this avoids the endless exchange of time zones etc. I then run a pretty open
> >>>> meeting revolving around people sharing their thoughts while we look at
> >>>> their blog. I leave enough time for me to communicate what is expected in
> >>>> terms of the course schedule. It would be great if someone else was to step
> >>>> up to the plate and organise meetings too - either in this style or another.
> >>>> It will be good practice for those thinking of facilitating a web meeting
> >>>> for the course mini conference. I am aware of some meetings taking place,
> >>>> but I have not been able to access any recordings, nor have any been noted
> >>>> to the meetings page on the wiki. But I admit I am a few days behind, so
> >>>> perhaps I am about to discover a recording and notes...
> >>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:57 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>> Hello Sarah,
> >>>>> The fact that so many people have so little time is the very reason why
> >>>>> we need to be as organized as we possibly can be. I suggest making
> >>>>> appointment with other members and learning something new, thoroughly, using
> >>>>> a practical dialogue form. We can learn a lot in a small period of organized
> >>>>> time.
> >>>>> At this time, Greg and I are learning eachother's time zones so that we
> >>>>> can schedule appointments with eachother and work in an organized fashion.
> >>>>> We are going to learn how to make appointments with eachother.
> >>>>> I would like to do complete tours of everyone's blogs and I would be
> >>>>> willing to give each member who is blogging in this course a personal tour
> >>>>> of my blog.
> >>>>> :)
> >>>>> artie
> >>>>> On 10/09/2008, Sarah Stewart <sarahstewar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Artie
> >>>>>> I was on the FOC 07 course and had every intention of doing more
> >>>>>> informal 'facilitating' of this course than I have. Theoretically, you are
> >>>>>> absolutely right, and I am very happy to 'help' in any way I can. But the
> >>>>>> fact of the matter is I am incredibly busy at the moment, so just haven't
> >>>>>> got time to do anything more than keep an eye on proceedings and say a word
> >>>>>> here and there.
> >>>>>> How do you actually see FOC07 people taking part?
> >>>>>> cheers Sarah
> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>>>> I think that since this is a course is facilitation that the members
> >>>>>>> ought to rotate as Facilitator each meeting. The role of Recorder
> >>>>>>> might be shared. But no one should be fixed in any role. The fact
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> Leigh is still functioning as facilitator makes me doubt the success
> >>>>>>> of FOC07. All of FOC07 should be facilitating this course. And there
> >>>>>>> should also be a Meeting Evaluator. Someone who comments about the
> >>>>>>> meeting using objective criteria.
> >>>>>>> So we have these roles:
> >>>>>>> Course Coordinater
> >>>>>>> Meeting Faciliators (for two distinct groups)
> >>>>>>> Recorder (and Timer)
> >>>>>>> Grammarian - Sometimes I do not understand what was recorded. Could
> >>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>> a word not being understood, could be technical difficulties
> >>>>>>> Meeting Evaluator
> >>>>>>> Leigh doesn't maintain the scheduled topic for this meeting. Seems
> >>>>>>> like he's still back there struggling with these issues of
> >>>>>>> faciliation. That's OK. I'm still trying to figure out "What is a
> >>>>>>> Community?" I will still be working on that when this course
> >>>>>>> finishes.
How did you figure out these times? Did you ask everyone? Was there
any comprimising between times in order to come up with a happy
medium? The reason I am asking is because I found it peculiar that
ElderBob was attending one of the meetings at 3:00 am!
On Sep 11, 5:03 pm, "Leigh Blackall" <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not that simple.. it just worked out that way. If I was thinking that
> simply, I would have probably just gone 9am and pm UTC
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:37 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > My guess is that you chose times that were about 12 hours apart so as to
> > accomodate those who lived 180º apart on a latitude. Is that guess about
> > right?
> >> No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings. What
> >>> two times were chosen for the meeting and why?
> >> That's right Artie, there is no schedule for meetings because they are set
> >> as and when needed. The two times where arrived at through general
> >> discussion on this forum - perhaps a little before you joined. I figured
> >> that 9pm UTC and 8am UTC gave almost everyone a chance to join. See if you
> >> can work out if that's true. Here's a hint<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/>
> >> .
> >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>> Leigh, I want to take a closer look at the whys and hows of splitting
> >>> the meeting into two.
> >>> First, it was obviously necessary to have two meetings when a full third
> >>> of the globe is unconscious while the other two thirds is conscious.This is
> >>> a natural and unavoidable division.
> >>> No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings. What
> >>> two times were chosen for the meeting and why?
> >>>> Fascinating thoughts and ideas there Artie. Good on you for posting
> >>>> them. Since attending a 3 day f2f conference I have fallen behind on FOC08 -
> >>>> but its a flexible course right? My turn to be behind - which is your
> >>>> opportunity to facilitate perhaps? I really like the suggestion of sharing
> >>>> the roles over the meetings and was waiting for a time that felt right for
> >>>> this. I think 3 meetings is enough for some people to now have the hang of
> >>>> how I run them at least.. My approach is to simply set 2 times that we know
> >>>> is reasonable for almost all of us, and who ever can make it does. I find
> >>>> this avoids the endless exchange of time zones etc. I then run a pretty open
> >>>> meeting revolving around people sharing their thoughts while we look at
> >>>> their blog. I leave enough time for me to communicate what is expected in
> >>>> terms of the course schedule. It would be great if someone else was to step
> >>>> up to the plate and organise meetings too - either in this style or another.
> >>>> It will be good practice for those thinking of facilitating a web meeting
> >>>> for the course mini conference. I am aware of some meetings taking place,
> >>>> but I have not been able to access any recordings, nor have any been noted
> >>>> to the meetings page on the wiki. But I admit I am a few days behind, so
> >>>> perhaps I am about to discover a recording and notes...
> >>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:57 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>> Hello Sarah,
> >>>>> The fact that so many people have so little time is the very reason why
> >>>>> we need to be as organized as we possibly can be. I suggest making
> >>>>> appointment with other members and learning something new, thoroughly, using
> >>>>> a practical dialogue form. We can learn a lot in a small period of organized
> >>>>> time.
> >>>>> At this time, Greg and I are learning eachother's time zones so that we
> >>>>> can schedule appointments with eachother and work in an organized fashion.
> >>>>> We are going to learn how to make appointments with eachother.
> >>>>> I would like to do complete tours of everyone's blogs and I would be
> >>>>> willing to give each member who is blogging in this course a personal tour
> >>>>> of my blog.
> >>>>> :)
> >>>>> artie
> >>>>> On 10/09/2008, Sarah Stewart <sarahstewar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Artie
> >>>>>> I was on the FOC 07 course and had every intention of doing more
> >>>>>> informal 'facilitating' of this course than I have. Theoretically, you are
> >>>>>> absolutely right, and I am very happy to 'help' in any way I can. But the
> >>>>>> fact of the matter is I am incredibly busy at the moment, so just haven't
> >>>>>> got time to do anything more than keep an eye on proceedings and say a word
> >>>>>> here and there.
> >>>>>> How do you actually see FOC07 people taking part?
> >>>>>> cheers Sarah
> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>>>> I think that since this is a course is facilitation that the members
> >>>>>>> ought to rotate as Facilitator each meeting. The role of Recorder
> >>>>>>> might be shared. But no one should be fixed in any role. The fact
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> Leigh is still functioning as facilitator makes me doubt the success
> >>>>>>> of FOC07. All of FOC07 should be facilitating this course. And there
> >>>>>>> should also be a Meeting Evaluator. Someone who comments about the
> >>>>>>> meeting using objective criteria.
> >>>>>>> So we have these roles:
> >>>>>>> Course Coordinater
> >>>>>>> Meeting Faciliators (for two distinct groups)
> >>>>>>> Recorder (and Timer)
> >>>>>>> Grammarian - Sometimes I do not understand what was recorded. Could
> >>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>> a word not being understood, could be technical difficulties
> >>>>>>> Meeting Evaluator
> >>>>>>> Leigh doesn't maintain the scheduled topic for this meeting. Seems
> >>>>>>> like he's still back there struggling with these issues of
> >>>>>>> faciliation. That's OK. I'm still trying to figure out "What is a
> >>>>>>> Community?" I will still be working on that when this course
> >>>>>>> finishes.
Now I remember what my thinking was about meetings. It seemed logical
to me that if I was to meet with everyone in a worldwide web community
in the same day, I would have to attend two meetings that were spaced
approximately 12 hours apart. So I wonder, Leigh, if what you had in
mind was that each participant would be able to attend at least one
meeting, and/or that you would need to attend both meetings?
On Sep 11, 5:50 pm, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How did you figure out these times? Did you ask everyone? Was there
> any comprimising between times in order to come up with a happy
> medium? The reason I am asking is because I found it peculiar that
> ElderBob was attending one of the meetings at 3:00 am!
> On Sep 11, 5:03 pm, "Leigh Blackall" <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Not that simple.. it just worked out that way. If I was thinking that
> > simply, I would have probably just gone 9am and pm UTC
> > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:37 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > My guess is that you chose times that were about 12 hours apart so as to
> > > accomodate those who lived 180º apart on a latitude. Is that guess about
> > > right?
> > >> No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings. What
> > >>> two times were chosen for the meeting and why?
> > >> That's right Artie, there is no schedule for meetings because they are set
> > >> as and when needed. The two times where arrived at through general
> > >> discussion on this forum - perhaps a little before you joined. I figured
> > >> that 9pm UTC and 8am UTC gave almost everyone a chance to join. See if you
> > >> can work out if that's true. Here's a hint<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/>
> > >> .
> > >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>> Leigh, I want to take a closer look at the whys and hows of splitting
> > >>> the meeting into two.
> > >>> First, it was obviously necessary to have two meetings when a full third
> > >>> of the globe is unconscious while the other two thirds is conscious.This is
> > >>> a natural and unavoidable division.
> > >>> No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings. What
> > >>> two times were chosen for the meeting and why?
> > >>>> Fascinating thoughts and ideas there Artie. Good on you for posting
> > >>>> them. Since attending a 3 day f2f conference I have fallen behind on FOC08 -
> > >>>> but its a flexible course right? My turn to be behind - which is your
> > >>>> opportunity to facilitate perhaps? I really like the suggestion of sharing
> > >>>> the roles over the meetings and was waiting for a time that felt right for
> > >>>> this. I think 3 meetings is enough for some people to now have the hang of
> > >>>> how I run them at least.. My approach is to simply set 2 times that we know
> > >>>> is reasonable for almost all of us, and who ever can make it does. I find
> > >>>> this avoids the endless exchange of time zones etc. I then run a pretty open
> > >>>> meeting revolving around people sharing their thoughts while we look at
> > >>>> their blog. I leave enough time for me to communicate what is expected in
> > >>>> terms of the course schedule. It would be great if someone else was to step
> > >>>> up to the plate and organise meetings too - either in this style or another.
> > >>>> It will be good practice for those thinking of facilitating a web meeting
> > >>>> for the course mini conference. I am aware of some meetings taking place,
> > >>>> but I have not been able to access any recordings, nor have any been noted
> > >>>> to the meetings page on the wiki. But I admit I am a few days behind, so
> > >>>> perhaps I am about to discover a recording and notes...
> > >>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:57 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>>>> Hello Sarah,
> > >>>>> The fact that so many people have so little time is the very reason why
> > >>>>> we need to be as organized as we possibly can be. I suggest making
> > >>>>> appointment with other members and learning something new, thoroughly, using
> > >>>>> a practical dialogue form. We can learn a lot in a small period of organized
> > >>>>> time.
> > >>>>> At this time, Greg and I are learning eachother's time zones so that we
> > >>>>> can schedule appointments with eachother and work in an organized fashion.
> > >>>>> We are going to learn how to make appointments with eachother.
> > >>>>> I would like to do complete tours of everyone's blogs and I would be
> > >>>>> willing to give each member who is blogging in this course a personal tour
> > >>>>> of my blog.
> > >>>>> :)
> > >>>>> artie
> > >>>>> On 10/09/2008, Sarah Stewart <sarahstewar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> Hi Artie
> > >>>>>> I was on the FOC 07 course and had every intention of doing more
> > >>>>>> informal 'facilitating' of this course than I have. Theoretically, you are
> > >>>>>> absolutely right, and I am very happy to 'help' in any way I can. But the
> > >>>>>> fact of the matter is I am incredibly busy at the moment, so just haven't
> > >>>>>> got time to do anything more than keep an eye on proceedings and say a word
> > >>>>>> here and there.
> > >>>>>> How do you actually see FOC07 people taking part?
> > >>>>>> cheers Sarah
> > >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>>>>>> I think that since this is a course is facilitation that the members
> > >>>>>>> ought to rotate as Facilitator each meeting. The role of Recorder
> > >>>>>>> might be shared. But no one should be fixed in any role. The fact
> > >>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>> Leigh is still functioning as facilitator makes me doubt the success
> > >>>>>>> of FOC07. All of FOC07 should be facilitating this course. And there
> > >>>>>>> should also be a Meeting Evaluator. Someone who comments about the
> > >>>>>>> meeting using objective criteria.
> > >>>>>>> So we have these roles:
> > >>>>>>> Course Coordinater
> > >>>>>>> Meeting Faciliators (for two distinct groups)
> > >>>>>>> Recorder (and Timer)
> > >>>>>>> Grammarian - Sometimes I do not understand what was recorded. Could
> > >>>>>>> be
> > >>>>>>> a word not being understood, could be technical difficulties
> > >>>>>>> Meeting Evaluator
> > >>>>>>> Leigh doesn't maintain the scheduled topic for this meeting. Seems
> > >>>>>>> like he's still back there struggling with these issues of
> > >>>>>>> faciliation. That's OK. I'm still trying to figure out "What is a
> > >>>>>>> Community?" I will still be working on that when this course
> > >>>>>>> finishes.
Both meetings are about the same thing so only one meeting is needed to be
attended. Having 2 meetings is designed for people from different time zones
a chance to catch a meeting. The other thing is that it give me 2 chances to
get the facilitation of a meeting right :) So I'd say the selected UTC times
of 9pm and 8am where primarily so I could attend (those UTC times are 9am
and 8pm NZ time)
If for example one of those meetings ended up being 3am in ElderBob's time
zone (I don't think it was because he was cooking dinner when he joined a
meeting last) then he would have the other option of around 12 hours later,
making it 3pm for him.
Basically, 12 hours difference for a repeat of the same meeting makes it
either:
1am or 1pm
2am or 2pm
3am or 3pm
4am or 4pm
5am or 5pm
6am or 6pm
7am or 7pm
8am or 8pm
9am or 9pm
10am or 10pm
11am or 11pm
12noon or 12midnight
Everyone has a chance then. We did shift one of the meetings forward 1 hour
because one person indicated that would be better for them.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:17 PM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now I remember what my thinking was about meetings. It seemed logical
> to me that if I was to meet with everyone in a worldwide web community
> in the same day, I would have to attend two meetings that were spaced
> approximately 12 hours apart. So I wonder, Leigh, if what you had in
> mind was that each participant would be able to attend at least one
> meeting, and/or that you would need to attend both meetings?
> On Sep 11, 5:50 pm, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > How did you figure out these times? Did you ask everyone? Was there
> > any comprimising between times in order to come up with a happy
> > medium? The reason I am asking is because I found it peculiar that
> > ElderBob was attending one of the meetings at 3:00 am!
> > > Not that simple.. it just worked out that way. If I was thinking that
> > > simply, I would have probably just gone 9am and pm UTC
> > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:37 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > My guess is that you chose times that were about 12 hours apart so as
> to
> > > > accomodate those who lived 180º apart on a latitude. Is that guess
> about
> > > > right?
> > > >> No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings.
> What
> > > >>> two times were chosen for the meeting and why?
> > > >> That's right Artie, there is no schedule for meetings because they
> are set
> > > >> as and when needed. The two times where arrived at through general
> > > >> discussion on this forum - perhaps a little before you joined. I
> figured
> > > >> that 9pm UTC and 8am UTC gave almost everyone a chance to join. See
> if you
> > > >> can work out if that's true. Here's a hint<
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/>
> > > >> .
> > > >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:23 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> > > >>> Leigh, I want to take a closer look at the whys and hows of
> splitting
> > > >>> the meeting into two.
> > > >>> First, it was obviously necessary to have two meetings when a full
> third
> > > >>> of the globe is unconscious while the other two thirds is
> conscious.This is
> > > >>> a natural and unavoidable division.
> > > >>> No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings.
> What
> > > >>> two times were chosen for the meeting and why?
> > > >>>> Fascinating thoughts and ideas there Artie. Good on you for
> posting
> > > >>>> them. Since attending a 3 day f2f conference I have fallen behind
> on FOC08 -
> > > >>>> but its a flexible course right? My turn to be behind - which is
> your
> > > >>>> opportunity to facilitate perhaps? I really like the suggestion of
> sharing
> > > >>>> the roles over the meetings and was waiting for a time that felt
> right for
> > > >>>> this. I think 3 meetings is enough for some people to now have the
> hang of
> > > >>>> how I run them at least.. My approach is to simply set 2 times
> that we know
> > > >>>> is reasonable for almost all of us, and who ever can make it does.
> I find
> > > >>>> this avoids the endless exchange of time zones etc. I then run a
> pretty open
> > > >>>> meeting revolving around people sharing their thoughts while we
> look at
> > > >>>> their blog. I leave enough time for me to communicate what is
> expected in
> > > >>>> terms of the course schedule. It would be great if someone else
> was to step
> > > >>>> up to the plate and organise meetings too - either in this style
> or another.
> > > >>>> It will be good practice for those thinking of facilitating a web
> meeting
> > > >>>> for the course mini conference. I am aware of some meetings taking
> place,
> > > >>>> but I have not been able to access any recordings, nor have any
> been noted
> > > >>>> to the meetings page on the wiki. But I admit I am a few days
> behind, so
> > > >>>> perhaps I am about to discover a recording and notes...
> > > >>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:57 AM, artie <
> artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >>>>> Hello Sarah,
> > > >>>>> The fact that so many people have so little time is the very
> reason why
> > > >>>>> we need to be as organized as we possibly can be. I suggest
> making
> > > >>>>> appointment with other members and learning something new,
> thoroughly, using
> > > >>>>> a practical dialogue form. We can learn a lot in a small period
> of organized
> > > >>>>> time.
> > > >>>>> At this time, Greg and I are learning eachother's time zones so
> that we
> > > >>>>> can schedule appointments with eachother and work in an organized
> fashion.
> > > >>>>> We are going to learn how to make appointments with eachother.
> > > >>>>> I would like to do complete tours of everyone's blogs and I would
> be
> > > >>>>> willing to give each member who is blogging in this course a
> personal tour
> > > >>>>> of my blog.
> > > >>>>> :)
> > > >>>>> artie
> > > >>>>> On 10/09/2008, Sarah Stewart <sarahstewar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> Hi Artie
> > > >>>>>> I was on the FOC 07 course and had every intention of doing more
> > > >>>>>> informal 'facilitating' of this course than I have.
> Theoretically, you are
> > > >>>>>> absolutely right, and I am very happy to 'help' in any way I
> can. But the
> > > >>>>>> fact of the matter is I am incredibly busy at the moment, so
> just haven't
> > > >>>>>> got time to do anything more than keep an eye on proceedings and
> say a word
> > > >>>>>> here and there.
> > > >>>>>> How do you actually see FOC07 people taking part?
> > > >>>>>> cheers Sarah
> > > >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:23 AM, artie <
> artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> I think that since this is a course is facilitation that the
> members
> > > >>>>>>> ought to rotate as Facilitator each meeting. The role of
> Recorder
> > > >>>>>>> might be shared. But no one should be fixed in any role. The
> fact
> > > >>>>>>> that
> > > >>>>>>> Leigh is still functioning as facilitator makes me doubt the
> success
> > > >>>>>>> of FOC07. All of FOC07 should be facilitating this course. And
> there
> > > >>>>>>> should also be a Meeting Evaluator. Someone who comments about
> the
> > > >>>>>>> meeting using objective criteria.
> > > >>>>>>> So we have these roles:
> > > >>>>>>> Course Coordinater
> > > >>>>>>> Meeting Faciliators (for two distinct groups)
> > > >>>>>>> Recorder (and Timer)
> > > >>>>>>> Grammarian - Sometimes I do not understand what was recorded.
> Could
> > > >>>>>>> be
> > > >>>>>>> a word not being understood, could be technical difficulties
> > > >>>>>>> Meeting Evaluator
> > > >>>>>>> Leigh doesn't maintain the scheduled topic for this meeting.
> Seems
> > > >>>>>>> like he's still back there struggling with these issues of
> > > >>>>>>> faciliation. That's OK. I'm still trying to figure out "What is
> a
> > > >>>>>>> Community?" I will still be working on that when this course
> > > >>>>>>> finishes.
I understand because it is the same logic that I have (or had). You are
right about ElderBob but I thought I heard hm say that it was 3 am! Maybe we
need some more listeners to put their ears on this, take a few notes and
post whether I heard correctly or whether ElderBob just made a mistake
(maybe it was 3 pm?)
But items like these are significant.
If there are two separate meetings because of time differences that people
have, then regardless f the fact that they cover the same topic, they
constitutes meetings of distinct groups. All we have to do is look at the
attendance of each meeting. If the larger part are people who were not at
the other meeting option then they constitute a separate membership of a
distinct group. If the attendance is the same, then they are the same group
and do not require a second meeting for the same topic.
So let's take a look at the facts.
On 11/09/2008, Leigh Blackall <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Both meetings are about the same thing so only one meeting is needed to be
> attended. Having 2 meetings is designed for people from different time zones
> a chance to catch a meeting. The other thing is that it give me 2 chances to
> get the facilitation of a meeting right :) So I'd say the selected UTC times
> of 9pm and 8am where primarily so I could attend (those UTC times are 9am
> and 8pm NZ time)
> If for example one of those meetings ended up being 3am in ElderBob's time
> zone (I don't think it was because he was cooking dinner when he joined a
> meeting last) then he would have the other option of around 12 hours later,
> making it 3pm for him.
> Basically, 12 hours difference for a repeat of the same meeting makes it
> either:
> 1am or 1pm
> 2am or 2pm
> 3am or 3pm
> 4am or 4pm
> 5am or 5pm
> 6am or 6pm
> 7am or 7pm
> 8am or 8pm
> 9am or 9pm
> 10am or 10pm
> 11am or 11pm
> 12noon or 12midnight
> Everyone has a chance then. We did shift one of the meetings forward 1 hour
> because one person indicated that would be better for them.
> I hope you understand
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:17 PM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Now I remember what my thinking was about meetings. It seemed logical
>> to me that if I was to meet with everyone in a worldwide web community
>> in the same day, I would have to attend two meetings that were spaced
>> approximately 12 hours apart. So I wonder, Leigh, if what you had in
>> mind was that each participant would be able to attend at least one
>> meeting, and/or that you would need to attend both meetings?
>> On Sep 11, 5:50 pm, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > How did you figure out these times? Did you ask everyone? Was there
>> > any comprimising between times in order to come up with a happy
>> > medium? The reason I am asking is because I found it peculiar that
>> > ElderBob was attending one of the meetings at 3:00 am!
>> > > Not that simple.. it just worked out that way. If I was thinking that
>> > > simply, I would have probably just gone 9am and pm UTC
>> > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:37 AM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > > My guess is that you chose times that were about 12 hours apart so
>> as to
>> > > > accomodate those who lived 180º apart on a latitude. Is that guess
>> about
>> > > > right?
>> > > >> No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings.
>> What
>> > > >>> two times were chosen for the meeting and why?
>> > > >> That's right Artie, there is no schedule for meetings because they
>> are set
>> > > >> as and when needed. The two times where arrived at through general
>> > > >> discussion on this forum - perhaps a little before you joined. I
>> figured
>> > > >> that 9pm UTC and 8am UTC gave almost everyone a chance to join. See
>> if you
>> > > >> can work out if that's true. Here's a hint<
>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/>
>> > > >> .
>> > > >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:23 AM, artie <
>> artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> > > >>> Leigh, I want to take a closer look at the whys and hows of
>> splitting
>> > > >>> the meeting into two.
>> > > >>> First, it was obviously necessary to have two meetings when a full
>> third
>> > > >>> of the globe is unconscious while the other two thirds is
>> conscious.This is
>> > > >>> a natural and unavoidable division.
>> > > >>> No where in the course outline can I find a schedule of meetings.
>> What
>> > > >>> two times were chosen for the meeting and why?
>> > > >>>> Fascinating thoughts and ideas there Artie. Good on you for
>> posting
>> > > >>>> them. Since attending a 3 day f2f conference I have fallen behind
>> on FOC08 -
>> > > >>>> but its a flexible course right? My turn to be behind - which is
>> your
>> > > >>>> opportunity to facilitate perhaps? I really like the suggestion
>> of sharing
>> > > >>>> the roles over the meetings and was waiting for a time that felt
>> right for
>> > > >>>> this. I think 3 meetings is enough for some people to now have
>> the hang of
>> > > >>>> how I run them at least.. My approach is to simply set 2 times
>> that we know
>> > > >>>> is reasonable for almost all of us, and who ever can make it
>> does. I find
>> > > >>>> this avoids the endless exchange of time zones etc. I then run a
>> pretty open
>> > > >>>> meeting revolving around people sharing their thoughts while we
>> look at
>> > > >>>> their blog. I leave enough time for me to communicate what is
>> expected in
>> > > >>>> terms of the course schedule. It would be great if someone else
>> was to step
>> > > >>>> up to the plate and organise meetings too - either in this style
>> or another.
>> > > >>>> It will be good practice for those thinking of facilitating a web
>> meeting
>> > > >>>> for the course mini conference. I am aware of some meetings
>> taking place,
>> > > >>>> but I have not been able to access any recordings, nor have any
>> been noted
>> > > >>>> to the meetings page on the wiki. But I admit I am a few days
>> behind, so
>> > > >>>> perhaps I am about to discover a recording and notes...
>> > > >>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:57 AM, artie <
>> artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> > > >>>>> Hello Sarah,
>> > > >>>>> The fact that so many people have so little time is the very
>> reason why
>> > > >>>>> we need to be as organized as we possibly can be. I suggest
>> making
>> > > >>>>> appointment with other members and learning something new,
>> thoroughly, using
>> > > >>>>> a practical dialogue form. We can learn a lot in a small period
>> of organized
>> > > >>>>> time.
>> > > >>>>> At this time, Greg and I are learning eachother's time zones so
>> that we
>> > > >>>>> can schedule appointments with eachother and work in an
>> organized fashion.
>> > > >>>>> We are going to learn how to make appointments with eachother.
>> > > >>>>> I would like to do complete tours of everyone's blogs and I
>> would be
>> > > >>>>> willing to give each member who is blogging in this course a
>> personal tour
>> > > >>>>> of my blog.
>> > > >>>>> :)
>> > > >>>>> artie
>> > > >>>>> On 10/09/2008, Sarah Stewart <sarahstewar...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>> Hi Artie
>> > > >>>>>> I was on the FOC 07 course and had every intention of doing
>> more
>> > > >>>>>> informal 'facilitating' of this course than I have.
>> Theoretically, you are
>> > > >>>>>> absolutely right, and I am very happy to 'help' in any way I
>> can. But the
>> > > >>>>>> fact of the matter is I am incredibly busy at the moment, so
>> just haven't
>> > > >>>>>> got time to do anything more than keep an eye on proceedings
>> and say a word
>> > > >>>>>> here and there.
>> > > >>>>>> How do you actually see FOC07 people taking part?
>> > > >>>>>> cheers Sarah
>> > > >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:23 AM, artie <
>> artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>> I think that since this is a course is facilitation that the
>> members
>> > > >>>>>>> ought to rotate as Facilitator each meeting. The role of
>> Recorder
>> > > >>>>>>> might be shared. But no one should be fixed in any role. The
>> fact
>> > > >>>>>>> that
>> > > >>>>>>> Leigh is still functioning as facilitator makes me doubt the
>> success
>> > > >>>>>>> of FOC07. All of FOC07 should be facilitating this course. And
>> there
>> > > >>>>>>> should also be a Meeting Evaluator. Someone who comments about
>> the
>> > > >>>>>>> meeting using objective criteria.
>> > > >>>>>>> So we have these roles:
>> > > >>>>>>> Course Coordinater
>> > > >>>>>>> Meeting Faciliators (for two distinct groups)
>> > > >>>>>>> Recorder (and Timer)
>> > > >>>>>>> Grammarian - Sometimes I do not understand what was recorded.
>> Could
>> > > >>>>>>> be
>> > > >>>>>>> a word not being understood, could be technical difficulties
>> > > >>>>>>> Meeting Evaluator
>> > > >>>>>>> Leigh doesn't maintain the scheduled topic for this meeting.
>> Seems
>> > > >>>>>>> like he's still back there struggling with these issues of
>> > > >>>>>>> faciliation. That's OK. I'm still trying to figure out "What
>> is a
>> > > >>>>>>> Community?" I will still be working on that when this course
>> > > >>>>>>> finishes.
