--- linux-2.6.13-rc3-mm1-full/Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt.old 2005-07-26 16:50:05.000000000 +0200 +++ linux-2.6.13-rc3-mm1-full/Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt 2005-07-26 16:51:24.000000000 +0200 @@ -44,0 +45,7 @@ +What: drivers depending on OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER +When: October 2005 +Why: OSS drivers with ALSA replacements +Who: Adrian Bunk <b...@stusta.de> + +--------------------------- + --- linux-2.6.13-rc3-mm1-modular/sound/oss/Kconfig.old 2005-07-23 21:04:56.000000000 +0200 +++ linux-2.6.13-rc3-mm1-modular/sound/oss/Kconfig 2005-07-24 01:22:11.000000000 +0200 @@ -4,9 +4,24 @@ # More hacking for modularisation. # # Prompt user for primary drivers. + +config OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER + bool "Obsolete OSS drivers" + depends on SOUND_PRIME + help + This patch enables support for obsolete OSS drivers that + are scheduled for removal in the near future since there + are ALSA drivers for the same hardware. + + Please contact Adrian Bunk <b...@stusta.de> if you had to + say Y here because your soundcard is not properly supported + by ALSA. + + If unsure, say N. + config SOUND_BT878 tristate "BT878 audio dma" - depends on SOUND_PRIME + depends on SOUND_PRIME && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER ---help--- Audio DMA support for bt878 based grabber boards. As you might have already noticed, bt878 is listed with two functions in /proc/pci. @@ -22,7 +37,7 @@
config SOUND_CMPCI tristate "C-Media PCI (CMI8338/8738)" - depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI + depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say Y or M if you have a PCI sound card using the CMI8338 or the CMI8738 chipset. Data on these chips are available at @@ -61,7 +76,7 @@
config SOUND_EMU10K1 tristate "Creative SBLive! (EMU10K1)" - depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI + depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER ---help--- Say Y or M if you have a PCI sound card using the EMU10K1 chipset, such as the Creative SBLive!, SB PCI512 or Emu-APS. @@ -95,7 +110,7 @@
config SOUND_CS4281 tristate "Crystal Sound CS4281" - depends on SOUND_PRIME + depends on SOUND_PRIME && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Picture and feature list at <http://www.pcbroker.com/crystal4281.html>. @@ -112,7 +127,7 @@
config SOUND_ES1370 tristate "Ensoniq AudioPCI (ES1370)" - depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI + depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say Y or M if you have a PCI sound card utilizing the Ensoniq ES1370 chipset, such as Ensoniq's AudioPCI (non-97). To find @@ -125,7 +140,7 @@
config SOUND_ES1371 tristate "Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI 97 (ES1371)" - depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI + depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say Y or M if you have a PCI sound card utilizing the Ensoniq ES1371 chipset, such as Ensoniq's AudioPCI97. To find out if @@ -138,7 +153,7 @@
config SOUND_ESSSOLO1 tristate "ESS Technology Solo1" - depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI + depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say Y or M if you have a PCI sound card utilizing the ESS Technology Solo1 chip. To find out if your sound card uses a @@ -149,7 +164,7 @@
config SOUND_MAESTRO tristate "ESS Maestro, Maestro2, Maestro2E driver" - depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI + depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say Y or M if you have a sound system driven by ESS's Maestro line of PCI sound chips. These include the Maestro 1, Maestro 2, and @@ -158,28 +173,28 @@
config SOUND_MAESTRO3 tristate "ESS Maestro3/Allegro driver (EXPERIMENTAL)" - depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI && EXPERIMENTAL + depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI && EXPERIMENTAL && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say Y or M if you have a sound system driven by ESS's Maestro 3 PCI sound chip.
config SOUND_ICH tristate "Intel ICH (i8xx) audio support" - depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI + depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Support for integral audio in Intel's I/O Controller Hub (ICH) chipset, as used on the 810/820/840 motherboards.
config SOUND_HARMONY tristate "PA Harmony audio driver" - depends on GSC_LASI && SOUND_PRIME + depends on GSC_LASI && SOUND_PRIME && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say 'Y' or 'M' to include support for Harmony soundchip on HP 712, 715/new and many other GSC based machines.
config SOUND_SONICVIBES tristate "S3 SonicVibes" - depends on SOUND_PRIME + depends on SOUND_PRIME && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say Y or M if you have a PCI sound card utilizing the S3 SonicVibes chipset. To find out if your sound card uses a @@ -218,7 +233,7 @@
config SOUND_VIA82CXXX tristate "VIA 82C686 Audio Codec" - depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI + depends on SOUND_PRIME && PCI && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say Y here to include support for the audio codec found on VIA 82Cxxx-based chips. Typically these are built into a motherboard. @@ -546,7 +561,7 @@
config SOUND_AD1816 tristate "AD1816(A) based cards (EXPERIMENTAL)" - depends on EXPERIMENTAL && SOUND_OSS + depends on EXPERIMENTAL && SOUND_OSS && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say M here if you have a sound card based on the Analog Devices AD1816(A) chip. @@ -563,7 +578,7 @@
config SOUND_SGALAXY tristate "Aztech Sound Galaxy (non-PnP) cards" - depends on SOUND_OSS + depends on SOUND_OSS && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help This module initializes the older non Plug and Play sound galaxy cards from Aztech. It supports the Waverider Pro 32 - 3D and the @@ -599,7 +614,7 @@
config SOUND_CS4232 tristate "Crystal CS4232 based (PnP) cards" - depends on SOUND_OSS + depends on SOUND_OSS && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say Y here if you have a card based on the Crystal CS4232 chip set, which uses its own Plug and Play protocol. @@ -613,7 +628,7 @@
config SOUND_SSCAPE tristate "Ensoniq SoundScape support" - depends on SOUND_OSS + depends on SOUND_OSS && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Answer Y if you have a sound card based on the Ensoniq SoundScape chipset. Such cards are being manufactured at least by Ensoniq, Spea @@ -625,7 +640,7 @@
config SOUND_GUS tristate "Gravis Ultrasound support" - depends on SOUND_OSS + depends on SOUND_OSS && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say Y here for any type of Gravis Ultrasound card, including the GUS or GUS MAX. See also <file:Documentation/sound/oss/ultrasound> for more @@ -727,7 +742,7 @@
config SOUND_NM256 tristate "NM256AV/NM256ZX audio support" - depends on SOUND_OSS + depends on SOUND_OSS && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say M here to include audio support for the NeoMagic 256AV/256ZX chipsets. These are the audio chipsets found in the Sony @@ -739,7 +754,7 @@
config SOUND_MAD16 tristate "OPTi MAD16 and/or Mozart based cards" - depends on SOUND_OSS + depends on SOUND_OSS && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER ---help--- Answer Y if your card has a Mozart (OAK OTI-601) or MAD16 (OPTi 82C928 or 82C929 or 82C931) audio interface chip. These chips are @@ -860,7 +875,7 @@
config SOUND_AWE32_SYNTH tristate "AWE32 synth" - depends on SOUND_OSS + depends on SOUND_OSS && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say Y here if you have a Sound Blaster SB32, AWE32-PnP, SB AWE64 or similar sound card. See <file:Documentation/sound/oss/README.awe>, @@ -870,7 +885,7 @@
config SOUND_WAVEFRONT tristate "Full support for Turtle Beach WaveFront (Tropez Plus, Tropez, Maui) synth/soundcards" - depends on SOUND_OSS && m + depends on SOUND_OSS && m && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Answer Y or M if you have a Tropez Plus, Tropez or Maui sound card and read the files <file:Documentation/sound/oss/Wavefront> and @@ -878,7 +893,7 @@
config SOUND_MAUI tristate "Limited support for Turtle Beach Wave Front (Maui, Tropez) synthesizers" - depends on SOUND_OSS + depends on SOUND_OSS && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say Y here if you have a Turtle Beach Wave Front, Maui, or Tropez sound card. @@ -904,7 +919,7 @@
config SOUND_YM3812 tristate "Yamaha FM synthesizer (YM3812/OPL-3) support" - depends on SOUND_OSS + depends on SOUND_OSS && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER ---help--- Answer Y if your card has a FM chip made by Yamaha (OPL2/OPL3/OPL4). Answering Y is usually a safe and recommended choice, however some @@ -920,7 +935,7 @@
config SOUND_OPL3SA1 tristate "Yamaha OPL3-SA1 audio controller" - depends on SOUND_OSS + depends on SOUND_OSS && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say Y or M if you have a Yamaha OPL3-SA1 sound chip, which is usually built into motherboards. Read @@ -932,7 +947,7 @@
config SOUND_OPL3SA2 tristate "Yamaha OPL3-SA2 and SA3 based PnP cards" - depends on SOUND_OSS + depends on SOUND_OSS && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Say Y or M if you have a card based on one of these Yamaha sound chipsets or the "SAx", which is actually a SA3. Read @@ -946,7 +961,7 @@
config SOUND_YMFPCI tristate "Yamaha YMF7xx PCI audio (native mode)" - depends on SOUND_OSS && PCI + depends on SOUND_OSS && PCI && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER help Support for Yamaha cards including the YMF711, YMF715, YMF718, YMF719, YMF724, Waveforce 192XG, and Waveforce
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 17:08 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > This patch schedules obsolete OSS drivers (with ALSA drivers that > support the same hardware) for removal.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 05:41:31PM +0200, Jesper Juhl wrote: >... > > + This patch enables support for obsolete OSS drivers that
> s/patch/option/ ???
Sure.
I'll correct this before resending the patch.
cu Adrian
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On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 17:08 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > This patch schedules obsolete OSS drivers (with ALSA drivers that > support the same hardware) for removal.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 11:48:04AM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > Adrian Bunk wrote: > >This patch schedules obsolete OSS drivers (with ALSA drivers that > >support the same hardware) for removal.
I did (but I don't claim that I didn't miss anything).
> ACK for via82cxxx.
Thanks.
> NAK for i810_audio: ALSA doesn't have all the PCI IDs (which must be > verified -- you cannot just add the PCI IDs for some hardware)
I though I found every single PCI ID from this driver in ALSA. Which PCI IDs did I miss?
> Jeff
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> config SOUND_OPL3SA2 > tristate "Yamaha OPL3-SA2 and SA3 based PnP cards" > - depends on SOUND_OSS > + depends on SOUND_OSS && OBSOLETE_OSS_DRIVER > help > Say Y or M if you have a card based on one of these Yamaha sound > chipsets or the "SAx", which is actually a SA3. Read
Forgive me if I'm misreading this (I'm hardly a coder and no kernel hacker) but, as it stands, the OPL3SA2 driver provided by ALSA and the main kernel tree work but are not correctly detected by ALSA's detection routines (in alsaconf) on the 2.6 kernel. The OSS drivers work, as well, but (AFAIK) there are no methods of automatic configuration with the OSS drivers.
So, for people who don't feel like configuring ALSA with their OPL3SA2 card, the OSS modules may be easier to configure and thus should be left in until the ALSA/2.6 kernel problems are worked out with the OPL3SA2.
Adrian Bunk wrote: > This patch schedules obsolete OSS drivers (with ALSA drivers that > support the same hardware) for removal. > I've Cc'ed the people listed in MAINTAINERS as being responsible for one > or more of these drivers, and I've also Cc'ed the ALSA people.
I haven't touched the maestro drivers in so long (for near-total lack of docs, etc.) that I can't be considered authoritative for approving it's removal. If people are relying on it I certainly don't know who they are. In better news, Takashi should now have the pile of maestro hardware that I used in the first pass to help him maintain the ALSA driver..
On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 11:51:13AM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 17:08 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > This patch schedules obsolete OSS drivers (with ALSA drivers that > > support the same hardware) for removal.
> How many non-obsolete OSS drivers were there?
I haven't counted them, but there are still many.
> Lee
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On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 11:48 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > NAK for i810_audio: ALSA doesn't have all the PCI IDs (which must be > verified -- you cannot just add the PCI IDs for some hardware)
Some of them might be in snd-hda-intel in addition to snd-intel8x0.
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 12:49:46PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 11:48 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > NAK for i810_audio: ALSA doesn't have all the PCI IDs (which must be > > verified -- you cannot just add the PCI IDs for some hardware)
> Some of them might be in snd-hda-intel in addition to snd-intel8x0.
Hmmm...I don't think that would work. If there are IDs listed in both i810_audio and snd-hda-intel, it is probably a mistake.
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 01:03:39PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 26 July 2005 11:48, Jeff Garzik wrote: > >Adrian Bunk wrote: > >> This patch schedules obsolete OSS drivers (with ALSA drivers that > >> support the same hardware) for removal.
> I'm still running a box that needs this one. The darned thing refuses > to die. :) >...
Why doesn't the ALSA driver work for you?
> Cheers, Gene
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Zach Brown <z...@zabbo.net> writes: > I haven't touched the maestro drivers in so long (for near-total lack of > docs, etc.) that I can't be considered authoritative for approving it's > removal.
Maestro3 ALSA does work fine for me. -- Krzysztof Halasa - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
>On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 01:03:39PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Tuesday 26 July 2005 11:48, Jeff Garzik wrote: >> >Adrian Bunk wrote: >> >> This patch schedules obsolete OSS drivers (with ALSA drivers >> >> that support the same hardware) for removal. [...] >> >ACK for via82cxxx.
>> I'm still running a box that needs this one. The darned thing >> refuses to die. :) >>...
>Why doesn't the ALSA driver work for you?
Humm, I missread that it was OSS you were talking about, my bad.
I'll go quietly officer. :(
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Zach Brown <z...@zabbo.net> wrote: > Adrian Bunk wrote: > > This patch schedules obsolete OSS drivers (with ALSA drivers that > > support the same hardware) for removal. > > I've Cc'ed the people listed in MAINTAINERS as being responsible for one > > or more of these drivers, and I've also Cc'ed the ALSA people. > I haven't touched the maestro drivers in so long (for near-total lack of > docs, etc.) that I can't be considered authoritative for approving it's > removal. If people are relying on it I certainly don't know who they > are. In better news, Takashi should now have the pile of maestro > hardware that I used in the first pass to help him maintain the ALSA > driver..
The OSS maestro driver works better on my old Armada E500 laptop. I tried ALSA after switching to 2.6, but the computer hung with 2.6.8.1 or 2.6.10 if I touched the volume buttons. With OSS they just work. The four separate dsp devices also look kind of more useful.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 05:08:37PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > This patch schedules obsolete OSS drivers (with ALSA drivers that > support the same hardware) for removal.
oss/harmony.c can probably go, unless someone from parisc-linux objects. I've written a (working) replacement[1] for oss/ad1889.c which is in our cvs, and will go upstream shortly. oss/ad1889.c doesn't (and hasn't ever) worked, so it should probably be removed.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 11:57:04AM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > >On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 17:08 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> >>This patch schedules obsolete OSS drivers (with ALSA drivers that > >>support the same hardware) for removal.
> >How many non-obsolete OSS drivers were there?
> someone needs to test the remaining PCI ID(s) that are in i810_audio but > not ALSA.
I've grep'ed a second time for every single PCI ID in the OSS i810_audio, and I still haven't found WTF you are talking about.
Once again my question:
I though I found every single PCI ID from this driver in ALSA. Which PCI IDs did I miss?
cu Adrian
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On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 08:24:28PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > I've grep'ed a second time for every single PCI ID in the OSS > i810_audio, and I still haven't found WTF you are talking about.
I looked as well, and I found nothing either.
Jeff, can you enlighten us?
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John W. Linville wrote: > On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 08:24:28PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>>I've grep'ed a second time for every single PCI ID in the OSS >>i810_audio, and I still haven't found WTF you are talking about.
> I looked as well, and I found nothing either.
> Jeff, can you enlighten us?
ISTR Alan saying there was some ALi hardware that either wasn't in ALSA, or most likely didn't work in ALSA. If Alan says I'm smoking crack, then you all can ignore me :)
On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 01:38 +0200, Zoran Dzelajlija wrote: > The OSS maestro driver works better on my old Armada E500 laptop. I tried > ALSA after switching to 2.6, but the computer hung with 2.6.8.1 or 2.6.10 if > I touched the volume buttons.
Please test a newer ALSA version, like the one in 2.6.12.
> On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 01:38 +0200, Zoran Dzelajlija wrote: > > The OSS maestro driver works better on my old Armada E500 laptop. > > I tried ALSA after switching to 2.6, but the computer hung with > > 2.6.8.1 or 2.6.10 if I touched the volume buttons.
> Please test a newer ALSA version, like the one in 2.6.12.
I have an Armada V300 laptop that uses the maestro2 chipset (and I wouldn't be surprised if your E500 used that very same chip) and it works fine with the ALSA provided in kernels since the 2.6.10-mm era (actually, I think it worked fine with even earlier kernels, but I am not sure).
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