Re: recommended mail clients
Lee Revell
> And mozilla only does the line-wrapping (with no way that I can find
> to switch it off). It doesn't do tab->space conversion, that usually
> (in my experience) results from c&p'ing from an [axe]term which
> outputs spaces instead of tabs to begin with (well, it does represent
> a character matrix so I don't really see another way).
Yup, but diff foo bar | xclip is just as easy (easier) and always does
the right thing. Unfortunately xclip isn't always available.
Lee
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Lee Revell
> at least a while. Whilst probably the buggiest client there is it
> does look like it's the best suited for what I want. I might switch
> to FireFox (which iirc does have an "insert file" feature - which
> might also solve this problem).
>
> For the moment though I'm quickly hacking together a bash script that
> wraps the sendmail binary that can be used specifically for submitting
> patches
I am amused at how many people are not scared of kernel hacking but will
go to great lengths to avoid looking at the Mozilla code :-)
IMHO "Insert File" is suboptimal, it's better to make C&P work right.
Christoph Hellwig
> I am amused at how many people are not scared of kernel hacking but will
> go to great lengths to avoid looking at the Mozilla code :-)
That probly because those who looked at it once don't want to do that again
ever.
Randy.Dunlap
> Lee Revell wrote:
> > On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 12:09 -0600, Jason Munro wrote:
> >
> >>On 11:54:00 am 26 Dec 2005 Lee Revell <rlre...@joe-job.com> wrote:
> >>
> >><snip>
> >>
> >>>> Dare I say it, KMail has also been doing the Right Thing for a
> >>>> long time. It will only line wrap things that you insert by
> >>>> typing; pastes are left untouched.
sylpheed also DTRT. (http://sylpheed.good-day.net)
It's a simple, clean email client.
> I've looked at a few clients and it seems I'm stuck with mozilla for at
> least a while. Whilst probably the buggiest client there is it does
> look like it's the best suited for what I want. I might switch to
> FireFox (which iirc does have an "insert file" feature - which might
> also solve this problem).
Firefox has an email interface??
> For the moment though I'm quickly hacking together a bash script that
> wraps the sendmail binary that can be used specifically for submitting
> patches (the intent is to perform certain checks for Signed-of-by lines,
> correct [PATCH] subject and so forth). If anybody else is interrested
> I'd be more than happy to share (albeit I suspect the usefullness will
> be seriously limited).
Greg KH and Paul Jackson have both written scripts for this.
And there may be one in the quilt package.
Paul's (python) is at
http://www.speakeasy.org/~pj99/sgi/sendpatchset
I don't recall where Greg's is (perl).
---
~Randy
Jeff Garzik
> Lee Revell wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 12:09 -0600, Jason Munro wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 11:54:00 am 26 Dec 2005 Lee Revell <rlre...@joe-job.com> wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>>Dare I say it, KMail has also been doing the Right Thing for a
>>>>>long time. It will only line wrap things that you insert by
>>>>>typing; pastes are left untouched.
>>>>
>>>>this problem. AFAICT it's impossible to make it DTRT with inline
>>>>patches and even if it is the fact that most users get it wrong
>>>>points to a serious usability/UI issue.
>>>>
>>>>Would a patch to add "Don't use Thunderbird/Mozilla Mail" to
>>>>SubmittingPatches be accepted? Then we can point the Mozilla
>>>>developers at it (they have shown zero interest in fixing the problem
>>>>so far) and hopefully this will light a fire under someone.
>
>
> I would second that patch.
I would NAK such a patch.
Andrew Morton described a way to do it, some method using x cut buffers,
IIRC.
The best thing to do is use a custom script, though. Other mailers can
be annoying as well, with regards to the References header, for example.
And pine is awful, encoding plain text as base64.
Jeff
Lee Revell
> Jaco Kroon wrote:
> > Lee Revell wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 12:09 -0600, Jason Munro wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>On 11:54:00 am 26 Dec 2005 Lee Revell <rlre...@joe-job.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>><snip>
> >>>
> >>>>>Dare I say it, KMail has also been doing the Right Thing for a
> >>>>>long time. It will only line wrap things that you insert by
> >>>>>typing; pastes are left untouched.
> >>>>
> >>>>It seems that of all the popular mail clients only Thunderbird has
> >>>>this problem. AFAICT it's impossible to make it DTRT with inline
> >>>>patches and even if it is the fact that most users get it wrong
> >>>>points to a serious usability/UI issue.
> >>>>
> >>>>Would a patch to add "Don't use Thunderbird/Mozilla Mail" to
> >>>>SubmittingPatches be accepted? Then we can point the Mozilla
> >>>>developers at it (they have shown zero interest in fixing the problem
> >>>>so far) and hopefully this will light a fire under someone.
> >
> >
> > I would second that patch.
>
> I would NAK such a patch.
>
> Andrew Morton described a way to do it, some method using x cut buffers,
> IIRC.
>
> The best thing to do is use a custom script, though. Other mailers can
> be annoying as well, with regards to the References header, for example.
> And pine is awful, encoding plain text as base64.
For a maintainer who patch bombs LKML constantly a custom script is best
but for the casual contributor their mailer should just work.
The default Gnome and KDE mail clients work OK so why don't we just try
to get Thunderbird fixed or at least warn about it? Casual contributors
are very likely to read SubmittingPatches.
I'm not trying to find the one true solution I'd just like to end the
constant low grade noise (and higher bug fix latency!) of "Please
resend, your patch is linewrapped" every few days.
Lee
Pavel Machek
> > I would NAK such a patch.
> >
> > Andrew Morton described a way to do it, some method using x cut buffers,
> > IIRC.
> >
> > The best thing to do is use a custom script, though. Other mailers can
> > be annoying as well, with regards to the References header, for example.
> > And pine is awful, encoding plain text as base64.
>
> For a maintainer who patch bombs LKML constantly a custom script is best
> but for the casual contributor their mailer should just work.
>
> The default Gnome and KDE mail clients work OK so why don't we just try
> to get Thunderbird fixed or at least warn about it? Casual contributors
> are very likely to read SubmittingPatches.
>
> I'm not trying to find the one true solution I'd just like to end the
> constant low grade noise (and higher bug fix latency!) of "Please
> resend, your patch is linewrapped" every few days.
Well, l-k has some rather extensive spam traps, right? What about
adding "if it contains patch, it should be well-formed patch" into the
list?
That way user would get bounce from the mailinglist, telling him how
not to damage the patches...
Pavel
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Ryan Anderson
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:28:40 +0200 Jaco Kroon wrote:
> > For the moment though I'm quickly hacking together a bash script that
> > wraps the sendmail binary that can be used specifically for submitting
> > patches (the intent is to perform certain checks for Signed-of-by lines,
> > correct [PATCH] subject and so forth). If anybody else is interrested
> > I'd be more than happy to share (albeit I suspect the usefullness will
> > be seriously limited).
>
> Greg KH and Paul Jackson have both written scripts for this.
> And there may be one in the quilt package.
>
> Paul's (python) is at
> http://www.speakeasy.org/~pj99/sgi/sendpatchset
> I don't recall where Greg's is (perl).
Greg's has been hacked at a bit to provide a little bit more of a user
interface, and is included in the Git source tree. ("git-send-email").
When I added it, I made it use a few more perl modules, I think it
generally does the right thing.
It *does not* validate for things like Signed-off-by lines, though
admittedly, that wouldn't be hard ot add.
>
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Coywolf Qi Hunt
> On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 20:28 +0200, Jaco Kroon wrote:
> > I've looked at a few clients and it seems I'm stuck with mozilla for
> > at least a while. Whilst probably the buggiest client there is it
> > does look like it's the best suited for what I want. I might switch
> > to FireFox (which iirc does have an "insert file" feature - which
> > might also solve this problem).
> >
> > For the moment though I'm quickly hacking together a bash script that
> > wraps the sendmail binary that can be used specifically for submitting
> > patches
>
> I am amused at how many people are not scared of kernel hacking but will
> go to great lengths to avoid looking at the Mozilla code :-)
To me, looking at Mozilla code means a lot. I'm too lazy to dig into
gtk and glib. But kernel code is quite straightforward.
-- Coywolf
>
> IMHO "Insert File" is suboptimal, it's better to make C&P work right.
>
> Lee
>
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