OK Last shot at -- 1965 Plymouth

[John Hefler]

EVBC

 

If this thing gets through PRINT IT my computer is on it's last legs..

 

1965 dealer salesman's catalog with update for the Formula S ...

 

See pages with   "  R    12/64  "

[Bob Jasinski]

John,

 

Thanks for sharing that, I saved them all to my hard drive.  It looks like both the 4 speed and automatic were options on the Formula S, leaving the 3 speed manual as the standard trans even on the F/S models-interesting, I wonder if any were made that way.   I also noticed that the dealer installed disc brake option was powered, I didn't know that, I thought you could get it either way. 

 

Bob J

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I also noticed on the hood stripe that it ends at the hood release. I have seen many the the stripe goes down through the latch to the edge of the hood

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[Bob Jasinski]

Roger that.  My F/S stripe was factory applied and it ends under the "Plymouth" hood casting that covers the latch.

 

Bob J

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[Stephen Harper]

Thanks very much for sharing this.  I particularly enjoyed the pictures on page 112 showing the kids and dog riding and sleeping in the car completely unrestrained by any seat belts!  A different time...
 
Steve
 

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[brion traill]

Thanks for the interesting Guide. Does anybody know the diameter of the Formula S torsion bar?

[Dave Mapes]

Hey Brion,

 

The F/S had 0.870" T-bars in '66, I assume it was the same in '65.

Dave Mapes
http://www.lamehorseracing.com/
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[brion traill]

Thanks Dave. I did not realize that the F/S bars were different than the regular  v8 bars, but it makes sense to run a bit bigger bar in a handling package. --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Dave Mapes <dma...@erols.com> wrote:

[Charles E Barranco]

Hey Brion,

Dave is correct.

In '65 the standard suspension had .85 for the 8cyl. .83 for the 6 cyl. and as he said .87 for the H.D.suspension on the F/S.

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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:59 PM

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Thanks for the interesting Guide. Does anybody know the diameter of the Formula S torsion bar?

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[dav...@juno.com]

I picked up this chart somewhere, showing the different A-body torsion
bars.

I can't absolutely guarantee it's right, but it seems like it would be.

Dave Schoenberg
Arvada, Colorado
'65 Signet Convertible, 2 '65 Cudas and a bunch of others over the years.
Learned to drive on a the Valiant and a '65 Cuda...... and they were 4
years old at the time.....

Chassis: A-Body (35.8" torsion bar length)
Diam Orig P/N ID# MP PN MP ID# RATE APPLICATION
0.81 - - P5249148 446,7 82 Drag
0.83 2535888,9 888,9 92 6-cyl
0.85 2535890,1 890,1 101 318
0.87 2535892,3 892,3 P5249149 892,3 109 340
0.89 2535894,5 894,5 P5249150 894,5 120 383/440
0.92 - - P5249151 448,9 137 XHD/Solo
0.94 2948634,5 634,5 149 76 Police
0.99 - - P5249151 450,1 184 Solo, perf
1.04 - - P5249153 452 224 HD solo, roadrace
1.09 - - P5249155 453 270 Circle Track
1.14 - - P5249155 454 323 Circle Track

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:11:03 -0800 "Charles E Barranco"
<cebar...@cox.net> writes:
> Hey Brion,
> Dave is correct.
> In '65 the standard suspension had .85 for the 8cyl. .83 for the 6
> cyl. and as he said .87 for the H.D.suspension on the F/S.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: brion traill
> To: evbc...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVBC] OK Last shot at -- 1965 Plymouth

> Thanks for the interesting Guide. Does anybody know the
> diameter of the Formula S torsion bar?

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[Dave Mapes]

Hee!  You got that right.  I'm currently running 1.180" T-bars in my '66 Dart and 0.990"s in the '66 F/S Barracuda. But I have a set of 1.120"s leaning in the corner of the livingroom (behind the red easy chair) awaiting installation in the Barracuda.

[Dave Mapes]

Here's what I have listed on my tech notes page:

OD RATE APPLICATION
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0.810" 82 Lb/In SLANT 6/DRAG RACING
0.870" 109 Lb/In SMALL BLOCK V8/STREET/DRAG RACING
0.890" 120 Lb/In BIG BLOCK/STREET/DRAG RACING
0.920" 137 Lb/In PERFORMANCE STREET
0.990" 184 Lb/In PERFORMANCE STREET/SOLO/TRACK DAY
1.040" 224 Lb/In PERFORMANCE STREET/SOLO/TRACK DAY/ROAD RACING
1.090" 270 Lb/In SOLO/TRACK DAY/ROAD RACING/OVAL TRACK
1.120" 305 Lb/In SOLO/TRACK DAY/ROAD RACING/OVAL TRACK
1.140" 323 Lb/In SOLO/HD-ROAD RACING/OVAL TRACK
1.180" 380 Lb/In SOLO/HD-ROAD RACING/OVAL TRACK
1.200" 396 Lb/In HD-SOLO/HD-ROAD RACING/HD-OVAL TRACK
1.240" 452 Lb/In HD-SOLO/HD-ROAD RACING/HD-OVAL TRACK

Rates were caclulated (other than those for the 1.14" and 0.87") in relation
to the 1.14" or 0.87" (whichever was closer on OD) on a percenatge basis.
The applications listed are my opinion based on autocrossing on the 0.870",
0.990", 1.040", 1.090", 1.140", and 1.180" bars. I'll note that Solo
(autocross) set-ups are often much stiffer (and more tail happy) than road
race or Oval set-ups because of the transition (left-right-left) intensive
nature of the courses. Also you need good shocks (NOT KYB) for any of the
T-bars beyond 0.990" to really work and ride well. What bars will work best
for you depands on what tires/wheels you use, what kind of driving you do,
your driving style, and what kind of feedback you like at the wheel and seat
of your pants.

Dave Mapes
http://www.lamehorseracing.com/
dma...@erols.com

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[brion traill]

Thanks for the torsion bar info- There sure are some smart folks out there!!

[Dave Mapes]

Replying to my own post... left out one VERY important factor in T-bar
selection: total weight and front/rear percent weight.