Waking up my ride.

[Charles E Barranco]

Hi Y'all,

I'm Charley in Lakeside,Ca (foothills of san diego).

I have as many answers to this question as the number of times I asked it.

 

65 Cuda, 273  Commando. 2nd owner. Has 39,000 original miles. 90% original (Yes it's true.) It was running great till fuel pump started leaking fuel. I parked it in garage with almost an empty tank of gas and due to medical problems I have not started it in a little over a year. The guilt has gotten to me and it's time to give her the attention she needs.

 

The main question is how to safely start the car. Here is my plan . Replace the fuel pump (I have one). Drain and change the oil. Pull the plugs and pour an oz. or so of Marvel Mystery Oil down the holes (this was recommended MANY times to me) Let it sit a night or to  then put a wrench on the crank and turn it by hand . This all makes sence to me but from reading the stuff coming from you folks out there, ,I would welcome your opionions.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Thank you

 

Charley Barranco

[Wayne W]

Sounds like a pretty good plan to me.  I would probably change the oil after I put something in the cylinders.  I also might use something like WD-40 instead of the MMO.  That way you get a good fog of stuff in the bore, and lube more of each cylinder.

Wayne

[Charles E Barranco]

Thanks Wayne, both those ideas make sense.

 

Charley

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[George Walling]

Charles, I would also pull the valve covers and squirt oil on the rocker shaft & springs. I would also when you get ready to start it why leave the plugs out crank it over until you get oil pressure. Then replace the spark plugs and valve covers and start it. Oh when you crank it over with out the plugs in it have plastic over the fenders so any of the oil you have squirted in the cylinders don't get all over the fenders and make a mess. Good Luck and have a safe happy new year. barracudabad64

[Wayne W]

Great advice from what sounds like the voice of experience!!  Oil shooting from the spark plug holes does make quite the nasty mess.

[Bob Jasinski]

Has it really only been a year?  Unless you have a desire to go through all this work I suggest you just install the new fuel pump and crank it over a bit with the coil wire removed.  

 

That'll pump up the oil and get fuel to the carb.  Re-attach the coil wire and fire it up.  I've never heard of an engine seizing in one year's time unless water got into the cylinders, in which case you have bigger problems. 

 

If you are really concerned about it being seized, try turning over the engine with a socket and breaker bar on the front engine pulley nut as you mentioned.  If it turns, I'd just do as mentioned above.

 

Bob J

 

 

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[Kerry]

Pull the dist. and prime the motor - pull the plugs & hand turn the motor to be sure it is free - also drain fuel tank and get rid of the old fuel

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[steve wander]

Replace pump, pull the dist, prime it, replace and crank it with the coil wire off until you get oil pressure, Reattach the coil and fire it up. Let it get to operating temp while watching the motor for leaks. 1 year is hardly worth pulling your hair out. My 273 "S" sat in a warehouse for 18 years. Guy said he poured gas into the carter, put cables on it and it started on the 3rd revolution. He put 1/4 tank of 93 in it (it had NONE in it) and set it out on the corner for sale. I bought it that same day, checked oil level and drove it 25 miles home on 5 cylinders. replaced points, plugs and fuel filter and drove it another 6 months before a rod bearing went south. that was a a long time ago and 5 motor sizes later I still got it! 

[George Walling]

Even after just a year of setting and not being turned over depending on the humidity in the air where the car has been stored I like to squirt oil in the cylinders and let it set for 12 hours then roll it over by hand and do it all over again. That way if you have light rust starting in the cylinders it may keep you from having to rear the engine down. Spending 26 yrs in the military I have had cars in storage from 6 months to 2 yrs and that is what I like to do it. I also either pull the distributor and pump oil through the engine by driving the oil pump with a electric gear and I also have what I call a engine pig which is nothing more than a 1 gallon propane tank that I bought new and put a Tee in the top of it with a valve and hose hooked to it so I can put oil in the tank air pressure in the tank and then attach the hose other end to where the oil pressure gauge sending unit screws in  turn the tank up side down open the valve and run a gallon of engine oil through the system. either way will get oil to you lifters and entire oil system. barracudabad64

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Great advice from what sounds like the voice of experience!!  Oil shooting from the spark plug holes does make quite the nasty mess.


George Walling wrote:

Charles, I would also pull the valve covers and squirt oil on the rocker shaft & springs. I would also when you get ready to start it why leave the plugs out crank it over until you get oil pressure. Then replace the spark plugs and valve covers and start it. Oh when you crank it over with out the plugs in it have plastic over the fenders so any of the oil you have squirted in the cylinders don't get all over the fenders and make a mess. Good Luck and have a safe happy new year. barracudabad64

[kathy cronk]

HI  GEORGE . My name is al cronk I  joined this group a few months ago  I have a 64 valiant that I am trying to get started .IT has a 273v/8  We  have tried a few things.  BUT nothing has worked.  I am going to Washington State in the next few days to buy some marvel mystery oil  as this has been recommended to me by other car guys  like yourself  but is no longer for sale here in Canada. I Iike the idea of your engine pig  .Is it possible  for you to send directions' on how to make one and a picture . AS this is the first car I have tried to restore  with help from my two brother in-laws We are looking  for as many ideas  that may help  us get this motor freed up so we can  get on with the rest of the work on the motor  THANKS for any help you can provide    al cronk  valiant64

From: George Walling

Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:17 PM

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[dav...@juno.com]

Al,

If the motor is frozen, the only way to fix it is to rebuild it.

Put a socket on the harmonic balancer bolt, squirt a little oil in each
spark plug hole, and try to turn the engine with a long ratchet or
breaker bar (with the trans in neutral or park, obviously). If you can't
turn it by hand (maybe after letting it sit a few days with the oil in),
then just bite the bullet and either rebuild it or replace it with a good
used engine. Shouldn't be too hard to find a 318.

If not frozen too tightly AND you can break it loose by hand, you MIGHT
be able to get it started but most likely the rings and cylinders would
be trashed from being rusted together. IF you were able to start it at
that point, it would probably blow smoke like crazy and possibly destroy
the cylinders completely.

At that point, not only would you have to rebuild it, you might have to
find a new block. More sensible to just find a good 318 at that point.

Dave Schoenberg
Arvada, Colorado
'65 Signet Convertible, 2 '65 Cudas and a bunch of others over the years.
Learned to drive on a the Valiant and a '65 Cuda...... and they were 4
years old at the time.....

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[George Walling]

Al, I can take some pic's of my pig and what I used to make it. It probably won't get it done until this week-end but will need your e-mail address to send them to you. here is my address to contact me gwal...@centurytel.net. Have a great new year.

and good luck. George 

[George Walling]

Kathy I have the pic ready to send but need a e-mail address to send them to as the EVBC won't accept the pic as they are to large. gwal...@centurytel.net

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