wiring

[Steve Archer]

hey guys, I brought my 66 cuda home, I started it up and let it run, then it just quit and I have no inside voltage, I have power under the hood at the firewall and resistor on both sides, coil has power, ground seems fine, key switch is dead, fuse panel is dead,  thanks again, Steve from Minnesota

[Roy Cameron Sarver]

Steve,

Check the bulk head connector, it is the source of many electrical problems. What part of Minnesota are you in? I'm in Saint Paul, maybe I can help.

Roy Sarver

On 5/15/2012 8:24 PM, Steve Archer wrote:

hey guys, I brought my 66 cuda home, I started it up and let it run, then it just quit and I have no inside voltage, I have power under the hood at the firewall and resistor on both sides, coil has power, ground seems fine, key switch is dead, fuse panel is dead,  thanks again, Steve from Minnesota

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[65]

Check the bulkhead connector...specifically the large diameter wire.....this carries ALL the power to the passenger compartment, then to the rest of the car....this has always been a weak point in the A-Body electrical system.

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[Steve Archer]

I wiggled the wires on the firewall at a small box in the center of firewall I heard the heater fan run, so I tried to start it, it clicked then I lost everything, I have no power underhood or inside, battery is good connections are good, where is the bulkhead connector? thanks Steve 

[DAV...@juno.com]

That little box is the bulkhead connector.  Pull it apart and repair the wires and/or connections that are bad.

 

Dave Schoenberg
Arvada, Colorado '65 Signet Convertible and a bunch of others over the years.
Learned to drive on the Valiant and a '65 Cuda...... and they were 4 years old at the time.....

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[65]

Here's a pic of the bulkhead connector....

 

Darwin/BC/Canada
--'67 Dart GT 'vert...273/904
--'65 Cdn.Valiant Custom 100 'vert...225/A833----SOLD
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From: Steve Archer

To: evbc...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:12 PM

Subject: [EVBC] wiring

I wiggled the wires on the firewall at a small box in the center of firewall I heard the heater fan run, so I tried to start it, it clicked then I lost everything, I have no power underhood or inside, battery is good connections are good, where is the bulkhead connector? thanks Steve 

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[Steve Wander]

Clean all contacts, replace pins if necessary and then pack it with white bearing grease. It'll never oxidize under that stuff. Mopar ended up doing that in the 80's on their trucks 

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'65 "S"

[SEA...@aol.com]

it was the green wire on my 64 Barracuda that caused the same problem.  repair has lasted 5 years

seasaml

64 Valiant Barracuda

[Steve Archer]

another day another question, I took the bulkhead apart and realized I had no power to bulkhead, battery is in the trunk, I traced the wires to starter and tested them at starter, it had bad connection at starter, problem solved, next problem, tranny pan is leaking, what trans does a 66 cuda have in it and what kind of fluid does it take? thanks Steve from rochester minnesota

[Bob Jasinski]

Steve,

 

Just went through the ATF question on another Chrysler list I'm on.  The best fluid to use is type F or FA.  Avoid using any of the modern fluids to assure long term service.  Evidently they have too much detergent in them for our old torqueflites and can affect the seals and clutch packs.

 

Bob J

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[Michael Alder]

I put my val back on the road in 1994, it sat still for about 12 years before that.

 

Had it serviced once I think – I just put more fluid in it when it starts dropping out of first (drive) when stopped and DEAD COLD just after start up. This might happen every couple of years?

 

Then it goes fine.

 

Do these things ever die?

 

My only complaint is that the 273 sits at about 3000rpm on the freeway doing 100hph (60mph) but it just serves to remind me that there was a time when petrol was cheep – he he

 

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[68pi...@gmail.com]

An old timer told me he ran one on castor oil once...wouldn't suprise me. But I heard dexron 3 was better than F but I don't think it matters much after 40 years. When you start up a 727, there is low fluid in the convertor so I have been told that you should start cold motor and put into N as soon as possible for pumping fluid into convertor. Let it fill maybe 15-30 seconds or until your choke starts to pull off, then drop into gear. There is a "no yo-yo" spool valve relacement you can get through Gil Younger's kit of the same name. It prevents convertor drainback with a modified spool valve. Takes about 30 minutes to install. You will need to drop the pan and valve body but it slips in easily.

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[Michael Alder]

I have the 1965 273 V8 with a 904 torqueflite8 (or something like that) Is it basically the same idea as the 727 but not as heavy duty?

 

Michael Alder

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[68pi...@gmail.com]

Same theory, bigger guts, same valve body can be used on both with 1 bolt hole filed...

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:14:48 +1000

[DAV...@juno.com]

OK, I'll need more info on this.

 

In the old days, TYPE F trans fluid was for FORDS ONLY.  TYPE A was for everything else.  Dexron replaced Type A.

 

If you used Type F fluid in a trans designed for Type A (or Dexron now) you will blow up the trans.

 

Anybody care to comment?

 

Dave Schoenberg
Arvada, Colorado '65 Signet Convertible and a bunch of others over the years.
Learned to drive on the Valiant and a '65 Cuda...... and they were 4 years old at the time.....

 

 

 

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From: Bob Jasinski

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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 5:38 PM

Subject: RE: [EVBC] ATF fluid

[Steve Wander]

Type F has much lower burning point than Dexron, It shifts faster but it is just old fashioned. Many people use it in TF's but Dexron is  much better fluid, higher temps, and has friction modifiers that the F doesnt have, thats the reason the F fluid hits harder. Lock up convertors need the good modern stuff. F is also thinner, just use Dexron3, no need for full synthetic Dex4 or is that 5?? NOT needed...

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[Jeff]

this is correct. DO NOT SWAY from what the manufacturer suggests. they recommend a certain type of fluid for a reason. dextron is for chrysler and type f is for ford.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [EVBC] ATF fluid

[fltu...@aol.com]

Just the opposite. Dexron is more slippery then type "F" . If you use Dexron in a older Ford, it would cause the trans to slip, and burn it up. Type "F" in a torqueflite would actually give you a firmer shift (slightly), but is a little harder on the internal bushings. That is what I used in my race cars, in the old days. The old B&M "Trick Shift" fluid is just type "F" fluid. I use Dexron III in all my torqueflites, now, without any problems.  I have heard of using the Mopar ATF+4, but I think it is too pricey. 
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I was looking into my old E-mails and the One I do have I asked the same Question after I had my push button 904 Trans rebuilt. The respose from Pat Blais

aka TorqueFlite Patty specializing In 1960- 1966 Chrysler TF's 727 & 904, " Any ATF that meets Dextron or Mercon specs is ok. "

 

Keith

64 Valiant Ragtop

Exhaust is on.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 7:46:38 PM

Subject: Re: [EVBC] ATF fluid

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[Dustin C.]

Is this the kit?
http://transgoonline.com/products.php?prd=SK-TFSC&homeinclude=catalog&category_id=60&parent_id=29&product_id=74&countdisplay=1&start=0&addcountview=Yes

Dustin

65 Barracuda "Commando V8"
http://sites.google.com/site/hellfish65/

"If it jams force it, if it breaks it needed fixing anyway."






 

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Subject: Re: [EVBC] ATF fluid

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:11:04 +0000

[Dustin C.]

Speaking of Transgo, the spool valve is in all there shift kits. Im now wanting to get one, but which kit should I go with? TF-1 or TF-2? The tech at transgo said the TF-1 is more for trucks and towing, while the TF-2 is for "hot rods", but online line it says "full race".

Dustin

65 Barracuda "Commando V8"
http://sites.google.com/site/hellfish65/

"If it jams force it, if it breaks it needed fixing anyway."






 

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 15:40:42 +0000

[68pi...@gmail.com]

The TF-2 has a stiff spring and a rod that are interchangeable depending on what you want. The 2 parts are for the accumulator , the rod provides a solid actuation while the spring is a damper for the shifts. The rod hits with a 2-3 chirp of you got the beans to back it. The no yo-yo kit only had the spool valve, not sure ifs still around.

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[Dustin C.]

Not sure about the stand alone kit, but Transgo said the no yo-yo spool valve comes in all the mopar full kits now.

Dustin

65 Barracuda "Commando V8"
http://sites.google.com/site/hellfish65/

"If it jams force it, if it breaks it needed fixing anyway."






 

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Subject: Re: [EVBC] ATF fluid
To: evbc...@googlegroups.com
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:16:22 +0000

[Steve Wander]

Makes sense to me. 

Steve W.
'65 "S"

[Steve Wander]

Thats correct, the F is less slippery so the clutches grab faster hence the harder shift. 

[Bob Jasinski]

After 12 years with the same email address, my address has changed from rpj...@pacbell.net to:

 

rpj...@comcast.net

 

Please make the necessary changes so that I won't miss any important EVBC posts!

 

Thanks!

Bob Jasinski

 

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[Steve Wander]

Gmail is forever....just an observation.....

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[Bob Jasinski]

Steve,

 

Any limit on attachment size on a Gmail account? 

 

Bob

 

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[Tom Wolf]

i had a similar problem short time ago. Seems i had a loose wire to the alt gauge

On .  took weeks to figure out . Good luck           5/15/2012 9:24 PM, Steve Archer wrote:

hey guys, I brought my 66 cuda home, I started it up and let it run, then it just quit and I have no inside voltage, I have power under the hood at the firewall and resistor on both sides, coil has power, ground seems fine, key switch is dead, fuse panel is dead,  thanks again, Steve from Minnesota

[jkprall]

Bob,

 

I think my G-mail account has a 10 Meg limit

 

John Prall

66 Barracuda

Imperial Beach, CA

 

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[Steve Wander]

Ever get a 10M Email? I have not...but if you have a bunch of pics to send , I always link them to my picasa account so I'm only sending links, much faster. Only downfall (if any) to free Gmail  is the right 20% of the screen has some text adds that curiously have something in common to the Email you are reading...thats how Google makes money. doesnt bother me, but it does scare some in the foil hats....